In post 440, Chara wrote:Fire, your problem with Taly is he's asking surface-level questions he should know the answer to. my answer is i've seen Taly ask more questions than necessary as town so it isn't going into my read of him. what's the problem?
pedit: obvious, but i agree with Brawl. was scumreading Penguin before the claim. even if i entirely disregard it, i still scumread him.
Just that you told me you saw genuine posts by him and than I ask you for them and you tell me that "anything can be faked" was mildly annoying to tell you the truth.
want to interject here - i think the discrepancy came up here because you used the absolute of "what looks like it can't be fake" vs "what looks like it's not fake"
those sound similar but have very different answers
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In post 442, Fire Assassin wrote:Slight scum read huh. Thats interesting. Don't want to commit now?
I literally said this a few pages ago. -.-
I missed that, what changed specifically?
uhhh time. Like that read was from early early game. And sure it's still there but hanging on to something with vehemence is pretty straight up wrong.
Like you are getting a zero from me regardless of anything given my role. (Ok an innocent child or something would change that but w/e)
But I'm not going to yell everyone should scumread you. I have more townreads than scum reads at this point which is kinda enough on day 1 with this mechanic no?
that is what prompted me to answer the way i did, actually. though the basis for Fire asking that question at all was also a misunderstanding, as i explained. i've read players on genuineness plenty, but that's not the reason for my read on Taly.
also Brawl is getting a 10 and i'll fight you all on that. i'll sit on the exact why until the morning because i'm passing out and also because nobody can stop me.
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Thank you brawlguy.
I feel like I should have things I want to talk to you about, but I really don't right now.
I guess I can tell you I am not sure I agree with your analysis of Penguin but I don't have any strong reasons why just feelings of uncertainty about it.
Nothing is true, everything is permitted
I do not play like bringer, stop comparing me to bringer.
In post 452, Chara wrote:also Brawl is getting a 10 and i'll fight you all on that. i'll sit on the exact why until the morning because i'm passing out and also because nobody can stop me.
I am coming over there and stopping you. We will go watch yugioh or something.
Nothing is true, everything is permitted
I do not play like bringer, stop comparing me to bringer.
In post 451, Espeonage wrote:uhhh time. Like that read was from early early game. And sure it's still there but hanging on to something with vehemence is pretty straight up wrong.
Like you are getting a zero from me regardless of anything given my role. (Ok an innocent child or something would change that but w/e)
But I'm not going to yell everyone should scumread you. I have more townreads than scum reads at this point which is kinda enough on day 1 with this mechanic no?
Why is that straight up wrong?
Are you giving me a zero because of your role?
Is the last part supposed to mean you don't care about sorting me?
Nothing is true, everything is permitted
I do not play like bringer, stop comparing me to bringer.
In post 453, Fire Assassin wrote:Thank you brawlguy.
I feel like I should have things I want to talk to you about, but I really don't right now.
I guess I can tell you I am not sure I agree with your analysis of Penguin but I don't have any strong reasons why just feelings of uncertainty about it.
talk to me about why you want to post our rankings before EoD and what your thoughts on pseudolynch are
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In post 451, Espeonage wrote:uhhh time. Like that read was from early early game. And sure it's still there but hanging on to something with vehemence is pretty straight up wrong.
Like you are getting a zero from me regardless of anything given my role. (Ok an innocent child or something would change that but w/e)
But I'm not going to yell everyone should scumread you. I have more townreads than scum reads at this point which is kinda enough on day 1 with this mechanic no?
Why is that straight up wrong?
Are you giving me a zero because of your role?
Is the last part supposed to mean you don't care about sorting me?
Because it's not a strong read, and not backed up by the whole thread of stuffs.
Yes
No, it means that I'm not convinced enough to be evangelical about it. Funnily enough it's coincidentally true that you are correct that I don't really care about sorting you day 1. If you are still here day 2 then I will get in it properly.
With so many people in thread acting so indifferent to how the game day plays out, the fact that you at least appear to care quite a bit is enough for me to reconsider my read on you. I don't think you're explicitly a townread for me right now, because I do have ongoing concerns, but reading your more recent posts made it difficult for me to maintain my previous passion for scumreading you.
In post 370, Punreader wrote:Pardon the mistake.
I forgot to bump Taly up a tier. Apologies.
ACTUAL list:
TOWNIE TENS:
Chara
EAGER EIGHTS:
Taly
Dunnstral
ActionDan
SOLID SIXES:
Shoshin
MariaR
Espeonage
FINICKY FIVES:
the worst
Fire Assassin
DeasVail
Vaxkiller
UNFORTUNATE FOURS:
NicoRobin
ReubenWasFine
IN-BETWEEN THREES:
Srceenplay
TERRIBLE TWOS:
TehBrawlGuy
PenguinPower
ZOMBIFY THESE ZEROES:
Pine/TwoInAMillion
Hi Punreader. This reads list was pretty similar to where I was at that point in the game. Main exceptions are Chara's high placement (they're probably only a weak townread for me right now) and Pine being so low. So I'd be pretty interested in explanations of those.
not scum based off skimmg, but I'm going to reply to them later, maybe even tomorrow - because I think today's going to be a busy today for me.
Fire
, do you have any reads that don't last longer than 10+ pages?
Still not fond of
PP
.
I want to hear
Pun's
explanations for reads before I make an assessment or post a question.
Chara
is someone I'm officially soul-melding with right now.
Where's
Pine
? Also, very much disagree with
OMGUS and LAMIST
being helpful buzzwords. I've only heard scum say them, and/or town that either contributes to a town loss, or the near event of it happening.
WIFOM is basically my existence in Mafia, so...
Who's
Reuben
again? lol,
Nico's
in this game?
I'll put
Maria
out of a town???-read when she explains herself.
I like that everyone is starting to congeal with reads, that'll clear things up for me when I look back in depth.
~~~
Spoiler: Going to nip this misconception about me in the game right now. ("Taly is ignorant/faking it") Read if you care.
Also, the notion that
"
Taly
is ignorant/faking it"
and that is a means of dismissing and ignoring me in this game is:
1)
Wrong.
2)
Beneficial to scum.
3)
Not well documented.
4)
Dividing.
5)
Based off playstyle disagreements.
6)
Beneficial to scum.
7)
Wrong.
Another thing, what does
"read between the lines"
even mean D1? There's no
CONCRETE
information. No flip. In this game, no actual wagons.
So what do I even go off of if I'm not engaging with people? What
IS
there to conclude besides what I'm engaging
WITH
?
How can you
"read into something"
when there's no facts to go off of? I'm asking questions that would help me when I
REFERENCE
D1 later in this game.
I don't ignore meta; I just don't have a lot of it based on the playerlist. Tonereads don't really happen for me. Just because I ask a question that doesn't help
SOMEONE ELSE
; doesn't mean it's fake or unnecessary to
ME
.
The more people tell me my questions are
"silly"
or
"fake"
, the less I view them as pro-town. And the more people cultivate this mentality that I'm being disingenuous by
ENGAGING
, is good for scum to twist for their convenience later.
~~~
Anyway, I'm going to probably fade away for the next 50-100 posts and then thats when I'll get to major replies and a big-picture readslist.
"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
"Taly wins for the most fence-sitty reads in a game ever" ~Battle Mage
In post 370, Punreader wrote:Pardon the mistake.
I forgot to bump Taly up a tier. Apologies.
ACTUAL list:
TOWNIE TENS:
Chara
EAGER EIGHTS:
Taly
Dunnstral
ActionDan
SOLID SIXES:
Shoshin
MariaR
Espeonage
FINICKY FIVES:
the worst
Fire Assassin
DeasVail
Vaxkiller
UNFORTUNATE FOURS:
NicoRobin
ReubenWasFine
IN-BETWEEN THREES:
Srceenplay
TERRIBLE TWOS:
TehBrawlGuy
PenguinPower
ZOMBIFY THESE ZEROES:
Pine/TwoInAMillion
Hi Punreader. This reads list was pretty similar to where I was at that point in the game. Main exceptions are Chara's high placement (they're probably only a weak townread for me right now) and Pine being so low. So I'd be pretty interested in explanations of those.
@dv
So you agree with Nico, Reuben, fire, Espeonage all being higher than me?
You’re ok with being in the middle of the pack? I would assume a null read.
This feels like fake engagement to me but our are more than welcome to try and convince me otherwise.
"A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde
In post 293, Chara wrote:as for why Taly's town... i don't know, are you reading the game? what's scummy? his insatiable desire to share his thoughts and get the game moving, or the slightly-annoyed-with-the-game way he does it? this isn't a meta read, i don't have any good meta on Taly.
I like this.
"A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde
In post 324, Taly wrote:In post 285, TehBrawlGuy wrote:
lmao @ vax wanting to kill me for the wang claim - I'm not even mad, it's too funny. Vax is probably Town because I think that's a crazy push for Scum to make.
1) You say Vax is town, but instead of telling him why his push on you is wrong, you laugh at his reasons. Disingenuous and clearly not oriented into gamesolving.
2) Your reason for his push being bad is that it's crazy for scum to push it? What? It just sounds like you're injecting your own bias to strengthen your means of discrediting him.
Do you know for a fact scum would be crazy to push you? Because you're pretty blatantly anti-town with the reason posts.
I think you are over complicating this. I understand exactly what he’s saying with vax.
"A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde
Actually when I think about it, I understand his point on bad but don’t know if I necessarily agree with his conclusion.
I know I do and say stupid shit sometimes to stir the pot and see if someone bites.
It my experience scum like nudge it to see if they can cause doubt and have someone else push it.
"A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde
