Open 728: Sharing is Caring (GAME OVER)

[Mathdino]

Lynching from the bottom up off her reads list
She ended up townreading ofrhz and I'm deferring to myself on TW
The next in line is Hitalt

[HeWhoSwims]

Fuck hey I kinda forgot to post

Why is lynching up NSG's readslist a huge plan? She's not sure to be correct.

Hit voters explain why? I can't see it!

I'll have to reread pin but I don't scumread him at all.

I'm still/again wary of Ofrhz. I'll see what y'all spew out.

[Mathdino]

Better than average reads, she tends to have scum in the second lowest tier of her list
She rarely gets totally snowed

Hitalt stonewalled the jjh lynch yesterday

[HeWhoSwims]

Fairly true. Although I'd worry that that's very obvious defense of someone who's been in heat for the entire day... But that's wifom ish.

What do you think of the duck atm?

[Mathdino]

How many times do I have to reiterate that read lol
He's too self aware
The more I talk about how I personally read him, the better and better he gets at not getting scumread

It's a lot of small things tbh
I think he should be autolynched in lylo
Or at least he should be the first to vote

[the worst]

pls don't recommend gamethrowing Math

[the worst]

I actually don't think I'm that hard a read, many will 2nd that

[Zoronos]

Hitalt stonewalled the jjh lynch yesterday

How do you distinguish town-but-wrong-about-JJH from scum stonewalling in this case?
Because I can see a world where HitAlt was town-reading JJH due to bias from agreement (they were both on the_worst most of the day).

[Mathdino]

That was a bad argument because they always made sense as scum together

[Zoronos]

That's not really a rebuttal. If your evidence is 'He stonewalled the scum lynch', how do you know that's a thing he did as scum and not just as town-but-wrong?
Because I know I've certainly argued against scum getting lynched (as town) and been super wrong.
So what's different here? What about the way he did it makes him scum and not just bad-town?

[the worst]

hit attitude towards jjh was literally nonexistent a la "I think tw is scum so why should I vote someone else?"

it's definitely an easy distancing tactic.

[ruru]

He was explicitly PR-reading jjh though before the claim

jjh wasn't really projecting PR to me so I'm kinda curious where the read came from

[Zoronos]

HitAlt fell out of my town pile back into the neutral zone, but I have some latent skepticism that scum would 1-2 vote the same target for a majority of the game day and be so blatant about it.
Could it happen? Absolutely. Does it frequently happen? Not in my experience.

I'm not opposed to the notion of scum-HitAlt, but I'm not yet at the point of being convinced it's the right vote. I have some questions pending to him, so I'd like to know more atm.

[Mathdino]

He was explicitly PR-reading jjh though before the claim

jjh wasn't really projecting PR to me so I'm kinda curious where the read came from

quote this? i didn't catch that, this might be clearing

[Zoronos]

We should lynch TW today.
I won't budge from that.

We lynch jjh927, and we likely hit town.
I wouldn't even feel bad if jjh927 DID flip today, and flips scum. I don't have a strong read on them either way, I just think they give more of a fake vibe, rather than actual scum. I just think we would have way more activity in game against his lynch if he was scum.

What is the difference in your mind here between a 'fake' vibe and a scum vibe?

Well, since I'm tired of not giving straightforward answers: it's similar to how scum!lurky can be different from PR!lurky.

Intent was in 1235, so he hadn't claimed yet by this point, but he was stuck at L-2.

[Mathdino]

yeah that's too little too late

reads potential TMI to me

[Zoronos]

Maybe this is a stupid question, but the wiki entry doesn't answer it concretely.
Do scum have daytalk in this setup?

Back where I came from scum always have daytalk, so I kinda assume coordination on things like voting and busses and whatnot, and I've realized that's less universal here.

[the worst]

Factional communication: During the night phase you may talk with your partners here [QuickTopic link].

from scum PTs on Wiki

[Mathdino]

that explains so much about that shitty jailkeeper claim

[ofrhz]

So the only reason I'd have jjh claim jailkeeper is if I thought I knew who the cop or vig was, and thus didn't HAVE to out them. I play scum very mechanically. Which is helped by the fact that I can claim the title of the best current PR hunter onsite.

I would never have gone through all that to out a useless jailkeeper and then shoot a VT NSG anyway. So on that basis I feel like I should be confirmed town (or at least, knowing everything I know about myself, I'm objectively confirmed town). I accept if you think I'd WIFOM that up, but part of the reason I shoot PRs as scum (rather than WIFOMing) is specifically so I'm allowed to make this argument as town when VTs get killed.

Is this slip within math’s scumrange

[Zoronos]

Counterbalancing probabilities.
'Forgets' there is no daytalk vs 'I'd never do X!' (when there's a clear line of play where he had no influence on the decision to do X)

[ofrhz]

I know I shouldn’t drink on Sunday nights but was that your way of saying that was likely a genuine townslip? I’m struggling to parse that sentence

[ofrhz]

Oh I think I get it

Yeah math is probably town

[Zoronos]

Basically, I don't think it moves the needle at all.

Town points: Assumes daytalk, and is wrong.
Scum points: constructs scenario wherein he can't be scum because scum math would never suggest a jailer fakeclaim, however without day talk that's not clearing because it's possible math didn't have any input into the jailer claim.

It's not that hard to 'oops I forgot ha ha I'm dumb' as scum, and putting forth reasoning for being conf-town as scum based on things scum-Math would know (lack of daytalk) is borderline. So one thing pushes the needle towards town, and another thing pushes it towards scum. So basically I'm ignoring it as far as towniness goes.
My question wasn't intended as looking for either town slips or scum slips, I'm (as probably can be surmised) thinking about the likelyhood of busing and what other scum would be doing in the wake of a claim. Daytalk, imo, makes clean busing more likely and awkward busing less likely. At some point, I'd imagine a scum team that can talk would realize the ship is going town and coordinate their entry to the wagon. Whereas a scum team that can't talk has to make that decision on the fly, so any busser's entry to the wagon will be less natural.

[ofrhz]

Oh I didn’t get it after all lol

Who if anyone do you think was likely bussing on that wagon?