SUPP 2017 MAFIA: COMPLETE

[PenguinPower]

I mean, I've already explained. But, if you think that my D1 is equivalent to today then vote away.

[Chara]

hey everyone, sorry for disappearing! reading up tomorrow as i'm sleeping now. role stuff, excellent. sort of. not really.

i don't really trust her, but Maria has my vote because she was actually here and so deserves it.

[Chara]

ok, i skimmed. i believe Maria. i don't trust that belief as she's tricked me plenty, but there it is.

this is more interesting to go through than i thought, which is nice.
i'm not really seeing where i should be townreading Penguin, honestly.

[MariaR]

Awwww Chara trusts me <3

[Taly]

I would assume that there is a doc or something with a clear at the moment if Pun isn't just bluffing and is actually scum.

I know of another possibility where scum wasn't able to successfully NK N1; that

d

o

e

sn't invo

l

ve BPs, protections, NO-NKs, or

a

n immunit

y

.

But if I explain 100% what it is now, then it becomes less useful.

Plus, I don't have strong evidence that supports this possibility being probable or real, just yet. :/

There's a reason my votes not on

Pun

and I'm entertaining

(not with a lot of confidence, but still)

that his shot on

Pine

is truly a town-vig at the moment, and that I'm critically thinking about

PP

being scum.

If

PP

is town, I'm going to be floored by their gameplay and their recent posts in this thread suck. Their

"I'm going to let town burn and then exploit where scum exacerbated it"

mentality is exhausting, and not towny given this gamestate.

I also feel nobody's really given that much reasoning at all that suggest

PP

is town. ._.

[Taly]

ok fuck all of this role shit let's lynch the obvscum

VOTE: pp

What do you think of my townbloc? 1265, I want us to be more in sync.

how is PP obvscum

Do you have a reason to think

PP

isn't scum?

Would it be bad for me to tunnel

PP

, coach

TW

? D:

I've talked about all of it already, but it's a combination of him being against pseudolynch and his interactions with [Taly] early, and then later, his claim and the circumstances surrounding his claim.

He's probably my top scumread ATM. I'm still debating who exactly I want to push for the day, but regardless, I can't really see any situation where I'm not at least OK with PP swinging today.

I can go pull pull more specific thins I said on D1 but yeah.

You should, I don't think a lot of people are giving

Pun/PP

their due discussion.

I do agree with you on

PP

though.

I remember disagreeing with that read but this whole thing today has kinda wiped my brain of a lot of day 1.

Why did you disagree with it, and what do you think about

PP

now?

PP, what is difficult for you to digest about this entire situation?

I didn't say it was difficult

(though interestingly enough you did in this very post)

to digest.

First off, what does this mean?

I don't know how a direct question could conjure such a transparent response.

I said my brain hurt too much to process. Much like it does tonight. I will need to read through without a glass of wine in hand

I felt that my question was very clear. I wanted to know if anything was unclear to you and why it's not easy for you to process.

I can go pull pull more specific thins I said on D1 but yeah.

If you're basing your read on me from D1, you need to reassess (unless it's the claim alone).

Is this really all you have to say? It doesn't sound convincing that you believe you're town.

Plus, I'm assuming you have a strong townread on

TBG

since you gave him a 9, but you're not asking why he thinks you're obvscum, or when he said that with his rankings while giving you a 0.

[Taly]

i don't really trust her, but Maria has my vote because she was actually here and so deserves it.

do u trust me

chara <3 <3 <3 <3

?

[Taly]

wtf guys

7 hours without a post? we're better than that

[Taly]

VOTE: Dunnstral

Yeah... I really want to see if this vote sticks with the content over the past 2 pages, and if it does, I want a really good explanation.

VOTE: fire
My invest was a cop as well I don't think we have 2 cops

Stop fake claiming.

What about

Maria's

claim is false to you?

And in the same breath, if you believe she faked her innocent on

Vax

, do you think

Vax

is scum?

[the worst]

how is PP obvscum

Do you have a reason to think

PP

isn't scum?

Would it be bad for me to tunnel

PP

, coach

TW

? D;

I'm not really sure how he's lower than nullscum honestly. If I'm honest his play wouldn't be hard to fake as scum but it also doesn't feel like how scum approaches this game... :/

Tunnelling is usually probably bad but if you think PP actually has high scum equity can you show me what he's up to here?

[the worst]

What do you think of Fire vs Maria Taly?

[Taly]

:/ At the moment, I townblocced half the playerlist, and I'm only slightly afraid I'm townreading scum.

But

PP's

claim is mechanically a counter to

Pun

, and at the moment, I have more reason to think

Pun's

claim is valid.

Which, I know this is a shit reason to scumread

PP

, but I haven't really thought about this up until the last few pages.

...Upon ISOing him again, I don't think I have a lot of tangible examples that point to him being scum. Or at least, the reasons I find him scummy aren't strong ones, or they're subjective.

-

I disliked how he voted and dismissed my points onto him in D1.

-

He gave

Chara

a 0, but even though

Chara's

townread a lot, he doesn't explain his POV.

-

He's very benefitted by being ranked high, but aside from the claim, I didn't see him actively making an effort to milk the benefits of his claim.

-

I don't know why he's so willing to die if it meant

Pun

did, it just sounds more like scum creating a dichotomy that ended in a strong potential town PR's death alongside his own.

It's hard to get inside of his head.

970 is one of the few posts that I liked from him, but he didn't expand much, so it's hard for me to verbalize a definitive read on him... at least to me.

He's playing to what I'd want to have achieved as scum. Hard to discern, but puts out enough that makes you question him. Which, yes, different playstyles and it's dumb for me to scumread based off this general idea, but it's why I have a lot of trouble with

PP

, at least with the game's circumstances.

[Taly]

What do you think of Fire vs Maria Taly?

I don't like that they both say the other is fakeclaiming automatically.

Even if they're both town - which I think is highly possible - I don't think a dichotomy is helpful here, especially since their claims are investigatives, and if either or both of them were scum, they're basically planning to die this dayphase, if not later in the game.

Most of their argument so far isn't that well-constructed unless you ISO

Espe

to try and connect the dots.

Maria

is townblocced partially because of

Chara

, and that her posts have the mindset of

"let me figure this game out without screwing the town over"

. I have posts to back up this idea, but they're independent of the claims.

Fire

frustrates me a little. They're aggressive, but that can be both town or scum in my experience... I want them to talk to me outside of saying

"

Taly

is scum because my gut told me so since page 4"

. That's my biggest wall here.

This is why I don't have a strong opinion or stance over their 1v1.

[Taly]

oh fuck

why does my brain do this

[Taly]

I hate saying this, but this is one of my biggest problems in the game right now...

If one of

Fire/Maria

flips scum, I don't think it auto-clears the other.

I think them being TvT or SvS is more likely than a TvS.

I can be very wrong, but this is my direction of reads right now regarding those 2.

[Taly]

Looking at their posts, most of their interaction is one of them saying the other is fake or flippantly replying to something

And I don't get

Fire

giving

Maria

a 9 840 while

Maria

gives

Fire

a 4 making much sense to me. 953

[Taly]

[Taly]

O_O

I'm starting to seriously doubt that

Maria V Fire

are TvS.

I don't know if it's TvT or SvS, but my brain's weird shit right now, and I don't know if I'm 100% on point, or extremely off. So I'm going to think here.

Am I going crazy

TW

?

[Taly]

wang vig best roleclaim ever

Maria is always scum (but really I don't think I'm good at reading her without associations). Also got minor experience with town!Espe, town!Vaxk, town!Dunnstral and town!Chara kinda but probably not enough to read them accurately.

I've also heard Chara is like really really towny as town fwiw

pedit: I shit on everything but you, you're too pretty. <3

Townie post by the worst.

>is getting tr and has no idea why.
Whew

I am not townreading you. In fact I am really unsure of why you are behaving the way you have been.
Care to explain what got you so into the game?

honestly have 0 clue what you're talking about.
I'm just playing a game of mafia man

honestly have 0 clue what you're talking about.
I'm just playing a game of mafia man

Don't play that with me, I know you better than that.

Play what

Do you think I have a certain mood when I'm town or scum? That's wrong cause that's what makes me hard to read
Changing your tone is so fucking simple
that you can do it by changing each sentence to fit something
...or by using little sayings to fix it I guess
But please fire-kun what am I playing?

Chara your reads aren't high quality on day 1. Sorry but I think its true.
And I think she was into the game in the first few pages, but now yeah I agree not into it and would rather screw around.

ok fire then take a point to the argument instead of spouting nonsense that means nothing to the topic at hand

Do you think I have a certain mood when I'm town or scum? That's wrong cause that's what makes me hard to read
Changing your tone is so fucking simple
that you can do it by changing each sentence to fit something
...or by using little sayings to fix it I guess
But please fire-kun what am I playing?

No? I know you play both games with a fluid tone, I am just wondering if all your play is mood based so far or if you have other reasons for being so into the game. And I assume everything so far than is NAI if you are telling me its just all the mood.

How can I convince you all that Espeonage is scum and needs 0s?
Ill take a 0 if thats what it takes.

Fake.

Anyway going to bed

No you aren't nerd.

oh no nat in a scum slot feels bad

ummm I am not okay with this?

ehBrawlGuy - 8
Taly - 2
Punreader - 3
MariaR - 9
DeasVail - 5
Espeonage - 0
Dunnstral - 4
Nahdia - 10
the worst - 7
Pine - 4
Shoshin - 6
Fire Assassin - 10
Lovebird - 1
Chara - 10
Srceenplay - 6
Vaxkiller - 0
PenguinPower - 4
NicoRobin - 0

10, MariaR
10, Punreader
10, Espeonage
9, TehBrawlGuy
8, the worst
7, PenguinPower
6, Srceenplay
6, Chara
5, Dunnstral
5, DeasVail
4, Taly
4, Shoshin
3, Fire Assassin
2, Pine
1, Vaxkiller
0, Lovebird
0, NicoRobin
0 Nahdia

Maria: i haven't decided yet, what's your pool? as long as it's not my townreads, i don't care at the moment.

TehBrawlGuy
5. DeasVail
7. Dunnstral
8. Nahdia
11. Shoshin
12. Fire Assassin
17. PenguinPower

I tr everyone not on this list

um I think fire's claim is bs btw

VOTE: fire
My invest was a cop as well I don't think we have 2 cops

UNVOTE:

>.>

VOTE: Dunnstral

VOTE: fire
My invest was a cop as well I don't think we have 2 cops

Stop fake claiming.

@1201:
1. Maria
2. He would have backed himself in to a corner where he is trying to get me lynched without ever voting me. Fucking stupid play, so gtfo.
4. It's called a mistake, people make them. I commend your effort.

1. Maria isn't a cop.
2. He doesn't need to vote you, your scummy play would get you lynched.
4. yeah I made a mistake with interpreting my results it seems, but i can't commend your logic here at all. Its nonsensical.

VOTE: fire
My invest was a cop as well I don't think we have 2 cops

Stop fake claiming.

I'm not fake claiming

I have 0 reason to fake claim this

I will 1v1 you if you continue this.

k gl with that

Maria, can you please outline why Fire's claim is BS and why it's odd to have 2 cops here?

I just dislike the way he went at it for the most part and since I used a cop check myself and I can't even do anything now it's like ???

I'm posting this here for other eyes and input;

Maria/Fire's

interaction.

I need to think.

[Taly]

Maria

, can you explain your rankings? The reasons for them?

Fire

, can you do the same?

They seem concrete on their reads of each other in the game, consistently.

Fire's

vote on

Dunn

is weird, especially in light of saying

Maria

is fakeclaiming.
I don't know why

Maria

thinks she can't do much right now because of

Fire's

claim? Unless I misread 1227

These two just separate themselves a lot, and I don't know if that's natural or not.

I'm not ruling out TvS, but these are a few things I picked up quickly and I don't think writing these 2 off as TvS makes sense atm.

[Punreader]

Apologies for taking so long.
I am here now, and catching up.

[Errantparabola]

Votecount 2.8

Fire Assassin

(3): Espeonage, MariaR/Chara

Dunnstral

(1): Fire Assassin

PenguinPower

(1): TehBrawlGuy

Not Voting

(10): Punreader, Nahdia, Srceenplay, Vaxkiller, Shoshin, Taly, PenguinPower, Dunnstral, DeasVail, the worst

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to achieve a majority.
Deadline in (expired on 2018-07-04 23:06:00)

[Punreader]

Because I'm a nerd about data, here's a good way to look at mine. You can sort by player#, ranking#, and order I assigned the rankings. Look at my rankings!
I realize now that I fucked up and ranked espe/dunn against each other for their roles instead of vax/fire, so whoops.

Dunn won the bet anyway.

MOD:

You deleted it from the original post, but the data can still be accessed from quotes of the post.

Is it worth protectives or roleblockers claiming actions here? I'd be surprised if Pine was the scum NK too.

Pardon me for seeming egotistical, but I feel the most likely answer is simply that the pun sent a player they thought was ranked below me to nightkill me, yet it failed because the rankings were not as they thought.

This is because I made an error in my roleclaim.

I thought that 1s and 0s I

gave out

held double weight.
During the night, Errantparabola corrected me and told me I had it backwards; 1s and 0s I

am given

hold double weight. In short, my ranking is lower than they were expecting it to be.

WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU SHOOT PINE.

Why wouldn't I?

Pine was my strongest punread, I promised I wouldn't shoot TehBrawlGuy, and the pun were most likely expecting me to shoot PenguinPower so I made a shot they would not as reasonably anticipate me having made.

HOW did you shoot pine? You claiming vig?

My ranking is higher than his, apparently. You also apparently need to read my posts given you would not be asking this had you done so.

Cmon, were people scum reading pine yesterday?

Considering I wrote what I felt was a fairly strong case on Pine, this should not surprise you.

I believe pine has sound experience in reading pun's main.

Plenty of experience in

reading

my slot, yes; dismal experience in reading my slot

correctly

. He has a LONG track record of making the wrong call on me. (To be fair, it is apparently mutual given that I was quite confident I was shooting pun.)

furthermore I don't think pun made any effort to engage with pine d1. if memory serves they talked around his responses and told me I should sheep them.

Your memory is flawed.

Spoiler: Pine content

Hi Punreader. This reads list was pretty similar to where I was at that point in the game. Main exceptions are Pine being so low. So I'd be pretty interested in explanations of those.

Pine, the short version is that this is Pine transparently being a punfuck. I am intimately familiar with his meta as both alignments and I guarantee you his contribution this game is him as pun. I can cite multiple behavioral tells to this effect, from what content he is giving, what reads he has given, to the ways he has given it and I will do precisely that in the full version. He had no clue he was playing with

me

, so he didn't properly hide his tells that give him away to me.

Starting point:

ZOMBIFY THESE ZEROES:

Pine/TwoInAMillion

Pine:

I described the threefold reasons for this read briefly before.

Pine, the short version is that this is Pine transparently being a punfuck. I am intimately familiar with his meta as both alignments and I guarantee you his contribution this game is him as pun. I can cite multiple behavioral tells to this effect, from what content he is giving, what reads he has given, to the ways he has given it and I will do precisely that in the full version. He had no clue he was playing with

me

, so he didn't properly hide his tells that give him away to me.

The way Pine gave his content was in his posting gimmick. Pine was giving his reads through the "hey Errant got really drunk and slipped in discord..." method. The mod may have told him to stop, but without the mod intervening there, he would have continued to use that gimmick for the whole game.

I can cite multiple references to this, but most famously would in fact be Civilization, something Nahdia should be all too aware of. Pine uses gimmicks to mask his pun content, as a way of hiding in plain sight. They have served him well in the past, acting as a way to engage others in an entertaining manner but also lead to them underestimating him.

Prior to the gimmick, which brings me to the first point, Pine was contributing nothing. This was part of where the punread originated. Pine willingly replaced into the game. What did he do after replacing in? Nothing. Pine replaced in at 170, page 7, on June 5th.
Pine's first content was 253, a singular line on PenguinPower echoing thread consensus (more on that when we get to point two), but his first full contribution is 459, page 19, on June 9th.

He has given no reasons for his reads. (The gimmick also helps to serve mask a lack of reasons.) And he has given reads on only a small fraction of the players in the game. And he has done nothing since choosing to replace in. I know Pine, and while he may adamantly deny it, as pun he is a lurker, both in the sense of not posting often and actively lurking a fair amount of the time he posts.

Were he town, he would have upon replacing in done his absolute best to give content in spite of having not read the game. Pine replacing in as town needs not have read the whole game to contribute opinions, but the Pine of this game did nothing...except for, when he did go with his gimmicky reads, defend the players in the game most likely to be pun.

Why is that condemning?

Because Pine is the strongest anti-busser pun player on the site. He will distance. He'll even vote a punbuddy. He might 'bus' in the sense that he'll pine after a punbuddy who makes sense to push but given the slightest excuse he'll abort it if he sees an opportunity to let the punbuddy live. And he sees opportunities even where by all rights none

should

be. By that I mean he sees a chance to abort a bus where other players insist to continue one.

This is particularly pertinent given PenguinPower. If you assume PenguinPower is pun, then 253 is perfect distancing. Given the first opportunity, he reverses the read to being a townread. And his other noteworthy townread? TehBrawlGuy. The two players in the game aside from Pine, most likely to be pun, and Pine townreads them.

His approach this game has been pun. His content this game has been pun. This is, 100% guaranteed to be his pungame. He would never have played this way if he had known I was in the game, but since he was unaware of my presence, he thought that this strategy would go unnoticed.

i want to say Pine is scum, but i'm finding it difficult to rationalize what scum Pine's plan is this game, at all.

I already outlined it. Pine's team this game has some reasonable distancing, but is largely playing the same game: lackluster posting, lurking, and not contributing much. Giving the bare minimum to pass by, not drawing attention. Letting the active posters duke it out in town V town fighting, and subtly supporting this from the background. Focusing on mechanics talk rather than punhunting, for cheap towncred while avoiding giving hard stances that are difficult to back out of.

Is this an original plan? Why no, no it isn't. Is it a "boring" plan? Why yes, yes it is; it is thoroughly uninspired. Why doesn't that disqualify it from being Pine's plan? Because Pine is incredibly pragmatic and opportunistic. If he sees an opening to use a strategy, it doesn't matter how boring/unoriginal it is. He'll use it anyway because a plan which is boring yet practical is a more surefire way to win the game. He doesn't need to make flashy maneuvers. Flashy maneuvers are Pine's desperation moves, when he is backed into a corner.

The most unorthodox part of Pine's pun stratagem lies in his nightkills, something we haven't witnessed yet. His dayplay is not something very creative as he has no need to shift gears from the plan he knows will work, until something (like a player who is on an alt that secretly has loads of experience with him he was unaware of) throws a wrench in the plan. And he doesn't even enact that until the last possible moment; if he thinks he can salvage his original plan, at every opportunity, he will.

I can cite Turn of Camn as the most fresh example of this; at every point he was adamantly against altering the plan to account for Ellibereth, until he was given no choice. You were there so you should know precisely what I am talking about. Pine's play is his textbook punplay this game. He hasn't shifted gears yet because he still holds hope his plan will work, so it's still on display for all to see.

Pine is scummy on this page

Immensely so, and it is proof of the concept I am referring to.

He is shifting focus away from punhunting, and onto theory discussion. Theory discussion has the benefit of looking town and can offer him immediate towncred, while also distracting the town because theory discussion bears no ACTUAL alignment relevance.

Your usually more opinionated... but i ... have missed some.

Yes, precisely. Pine as town is usually more opinionated. He came in to this game as a replacement (displaying a clear desire to PLAY the game because he wouldn't have offered to replace in otherwise), and yet in spite of that you can count the number of stances he's taken on a single hand.

There is good reason he is my strongest punread.

And the coup de grâce,

Winning the game potentially as early as D2

The plan is simple.

1. Universally vote Pine a 0 to eliminate him.
   
2. Universally vote PenguinPower a 0 to eliminate him.
   
3. Rate the pool of players I am to vig fairly low: TehBrawlGuy, Screenplay, and ReubenWasFine gets the pool of 3 players necessary.
   
4. If I can vig N1, I shoot one of the 3. If it hits scum, we're down three pun.
   
5. And on D2, we lynch the fourth and final pun.

No need for a spoiler tag because this one is short enough to not warrant one.

If you wish to see why Pine and PenguinPower are pun, then it is available in my content which can be found here.
The VAST majority of my content, literally over 50% of it, is outlining the precise reasons why PenguinPower and Pine are pun.
Screenplay also takes up a reasonable amount of that time as well.
The one read I have failed to explain which I acknowledge I need to is TehBrawlGuy.

I'd additionally like to point out:

Sup friend.

Still self-immolating I see.

You still suck at reading me.

Pine has a long history of a particular tactic. When Pine has any sort of "oh fuck" realization, his response to this is to do

exactly this

and present a nonchalant response in an attempted to appear unfazed by the outcome. It's his first self-defense mechanism to being caught red-handed.

I'd additionally like to point out:

Sup friend.

Still self-immolating I see.

You still suck at reading me.

Pine has a long history of a particular tactic. When Pine has any sort of "oh fuck" realization, his response to this is to do

exactly this

and present a nonchalant response in an attempted to appear unfazed by the outcome. It's his first self-defense mechanism to being caught red-handed.

You're quite right! It is a favored tactic. I like it because it mirrors when I am actually unfazed.

The problem with that is you aren't actually unfazed as town, even when you know the accusation to be wrong. You get emotional and react negatively to what you see as being bullshit.

This is actually the inverse problem of Screenplay: overestimating how calm you'd be as town.

You are not nearly this serene as town.

I get that apparently the thread has something against mechanics, but holy shit you guys, there's one major difference between this and a standard game. How hard is it to keep track of that

one thing

?

This would be one of the reasons that the players using that one mechanic as an excuse to do nothing (namely, PenguinPower and Pine) are pun.

This game is not nearly as different from a normal game of mafia as they are pretending it to be. Their excuses for not generating content due to said mechanic are therefore nothing more than that: just excuses to not be held accountable for content early in the game. This would also be one of the reasons I consider you a punbuddy, since by your own logic, you should recognize that this:

I really don't get Pine being pretty low on rankings. I weakly townread him. Most of his content is NAI and what there is seems to me like a townie who's just chilling waiting for the game to progress.

...Is an invalid reason to townread him. There is no justification for chilling because

the game is already in progress

.

Pretending the game isn't in progress is a pun-oriented narrative because

as you yourself note

, there is only one difference between this game and a normal game. So players in this game should be...treating it as if it were a normal game; the players who thus are stating they aren't doing so are automatically more suspicious.

I trust pun's claim but this play is bad
lean town on pine tentatively

Serious question.
Have you

played

with Pine before?

agree TBG wrt Pine. I'm basically half coasting this phase as well so hard to h8

The difference is you're half-coasting but still contributing.

Pine's all coast and no contributing.

and he's very clearly not pushing a malicious agenda.

Wrong. Pushing for the votes of me as a zero combined with third party talk/serial killer discussion shows some level of malice. Then, refusing to give stances on players in addition to the zero-vote-push/mechanics-talk shows the agenda.

BTW do you think it's likely I've correctly identified who you are?

If you had then you'd be sheeping me in regards to Pine.

Second off, you assume that I wouldn't give this a pass on a normal D1 anyway. You are correct that by my logic, I think it's AntiTown to not contribute, but I don't think it's necessarily ProScum.

Basically, I don't think Pine's pretending the game's not in progress. I think he's chilling, waiting for more progress before he feels like contributing

The problem with this is that Pine

replaced into

this game. He was not an original player that started with it. As a town replacement, what is your natural inclination? To do nothing?

You replaced into the game. That means that you had to care enough about the game before you were even a player that you wanted to be in it as a player. Because you had that level of investment, because you wanted to be a player in the game, that means once you come into the game, you are going to immediately try to further your wincon.

Pine did not further the town's wincon, in spite of replacing into the game. Where did the energy of being a replacement go? Where did his desire to do something disappear to? If he cared enough about the game before replacing in to offer a replacement, why once he is in the game did he

not

care, or at least is pretending not to care?

It is because he is pun and doing this minimalistic contribution is furthering the pun wincon.

These are mostly also found in here:

Spoiler: Understanding of my Stances

Free preview:

PP's last post makes me feel that PP v Taly is not TvT. Dunno which one is the Scum yet, though. I'll catch that on re-read.

It is far from a surefire thing given I have limited experience with both players, but from what I know this is fairly standard Taly play and not what I'd expect from PenguinPower if he were town. This would not be something I'd state with any level of true confidence, but it has enough where I'll back your sentiment.

This still holds. In the PenguinPower-Taly exchange, PenguinPower plays exactly to what I'd expect of his punplay, and Taly comes out looking incredibly town from the fight.

TOWNIE TENS:

Chara

EAGER EIGHTS:

Taly
Dunnstral
ActionDan

SOLID SIXES:

Shoshin
MariaR
Espeonage

FINICKY FIVES:

the worst
Fire Assassin
DeasVail
Vaxkiller

UNFORTUNATE FOURS:

NicoRobin
ReubenWasFine

IN-BETWEEN THREES:

Srceenplay

TERRIBLE TWOS:

TehBrawlGuy
PenguinPower

ZOMBIFY THESE ZEROES:

Pine/TwoInAMillion

Here I post my readslist, and deliver the promise that reasons will come in 24 hours. (As it turned out, I finished 23 hours later.)

Since then, PenguinPower has become a zero, but I will detail that later; otherwise, this remains unchanged and is my reference point.

I'll begin by stating, most of my reads come from meta combined with motivations: what I expect to see as either alignment. I can do this for almost the entire playerlist to some extent, but some of these reads are going to have a stronger base than others. With that established...

Chara:

My Chara townread comes primarily from having many games' experience with it. I hesitate to Chare my past experience (as my meta comes from first-hand exposure, linking to examples would be traceable to my main), but the Chararal Chist of it is that Chara always Chows a strong aptitude for forwarding a town wincon. (Okay I'll stop that now.) When Chara is town, it demonstrates this by providing a transparent thought process where its reasoning can be traced, step by step, from beginning to end. This trait, in of itself, isn't town, but what amplifies it is the consistency and the delivery of it. It's not only the process itself, but the content therein. While Chara is not an elite punhunter, Chara's process still provides reasonable town positions to hold.

This is not something Chara can fake convincingly. You can always tell Chara is town by it demonstrating the genuine attempt to game solve, furthering the town wincon in the process. In spite of Chara not being an elite punhunter, in its own way, you can still hold a certain burden of proficiency to it; if Chara's stances don't seem reasonable positions to hold, then it could be pun. However, Chara's content this game

does

show reasonable stances, with reasonable justifications. I follow the process, even if I don't fully agree with it. I agree with more than I don't, and understand how Chara is getting from point A to point B. All of this strongly suggests town.

Taly:

If you Tally his posts, it should be immediately obvious why I hold this read. He has the highest post count in this game by far, and in those posts, constantly, neverending, there is content where he explains his reads, justifies his stances, asks questions, and engages players. Not in of itself enough to be town because tryhard pun is a thing, but when you look at the nature of the content it becomes clear he isn't just doing "busywork". His content builds off of itself; he follows through on the content, and when his stances change, there is a logical progression in the shift.

When he presents posts, he does so without an attempt to force us to wolf it down. This violetly aggressive pushing shows a desire to work with others in a way difficult, but not quite impossible, to fake. He is similar to Chara in this regard, but I don't have the same level of familiarity with him to be as confident on my read here as I do on Chara.

Dunnstral:

I may have been a little hasty in having him this high, but I feel this is his town game off of what little he has provided. Admittedly, he lurks as both alignments but initial signs point to town.

Nahdia/ActionDan:

This read comes from ActionDan, obviously. ActionDan didn't contribute much before leaving the game, but what he did give was enough to make me instantly feel this is his towngame. When ActionDan is town, I expect his reads to be fairly competent, and also to have some level of synchronization with mine. He was suspicious of Screenplay before even I was, and also noted suspicion on TehBrawlGuy well before the thought crossed my mind. Does this mean his reads are right, of course not, but the fact he saw the same slots I see as suspect before I did is an instantly promising sign. His analysis of Espeonage is fairly good as well, and I thought his position on Chara/Deas was indicative of solid, critical thinking of a type difficult to fake as pun.

However, the lack of overall activity and his natural competency as a pun player keep this from being a read I would more strongly Act on. Counterbalancing that, given he was replaced I'd say that isn't Danning at all, so I may be promoting Nahdia's slot.

Shoshin:

Shoshin is one of the players in this game I am least-familiar with, so I can't speak about her with any meta-based experience. However, just off of her play, I felt that her content was indicative of town solving. 10 and 11 are comments that could come from pun, but I lean town on. Many of the directions she's headed have felt like good ones; I've liked the inquiries in posts such as 112, 115, 157, 164, 185, 189, 204, 257, 469, 470, and 486. There's good analysis in 337. However, I'm a little concerned that a great amount of what she has done doesn't appear to have much follow-through to it. This is mitigated by the times I can see it (for instance, the continued Screenplay push), but there are many times where I don't see her evolution in process, keeping me from promoting her. Shoshi's reasonably town, yet not locktown.

MariaR:

I have extensive experience with Maria. I'm not at the point where I can soulread her (not even remotely close), but I still have a reasonable baseline for what she'll be like as town, and initial signs are promising. However, this is not something I can lock in because the best ally in reading her is time we've not had; you never know, something might Mar my Rid there later.

Espeonage:

I don't actually have a good ability to read Espeonage even though I've spied on plenty of his games before. He's a little difficult to pin down; a fair amount of his content

has

made me question him, but he always ninjas his way out by the end. It's mostly the little things which give him this rating; I liked his lighthearted banter seen in such places as 33, balanced nicely by more serious gamesolving. Many of his prods have felt good, yet this boon is ruined by the conclusions reached from them; his stated reads are, by and large, backwards from what I would expect. Espeonage is reasonably competent, yet all the players I'm suspicious of (Pine, PenguinPower, TehBrawlGuy, Screenplay) are players he's giving passes for whatever reason, even if he had genuine inquiries.

the worst:

Another player I can't reliably read, albeit in part owing to lack of extensive experience. the worst case scenario would be him as pun, but I don't have any reason to suspect he is. He doesn't particularly make me feel town, but lacking a reason to punread him, he may actually be worthy of promotion.

Fire Assassin:

Though I have the experience necessary to meta read Fire Assassin

in theory

, in practice I simply don't know what I'm doing with him and pretending I do would be detrimental. I have no clue what to look for; I have no tells on him; I don't know what indicates he's town or pun. I can tell you overall on his play alone, the content he has produced hasn't been a Sin, but if there is a strong town Fire, I've yet to see it lit. If I had to make a call, it would be town, but I would do so with no confidence whatsoever.

This is the midway point in my reads, and unfortunately I need to take a break to attend to something which came up, so this makes a good stopping point.

Here I give my basic process, outlining that my read on PenguinPower has strengthened from punread to STRONG punread. I lay out the groundwork for the top half of my readslist, which can loosely be thought of as my townreads.

DeasVail:

DeasVail is an incredibly talented pun player, and nothing he has done is out of his punrange. In fact, a fair amount of his content is actually the sort I'd expect if he were pun. For the longest time, he was

lower

in my readslist. What actually bumped him up was, in fact, when he gave

his

reads in 307. His Intervention was an incredible step in the right direction.

Though it's not impossible for him to distance/bus and it's a certainty my reads are far from perfect (and thus, that he could be pun that pushes town players I'm punreading), the significant overlap in reads and his explanation of his process all the same was enough to remove him from the lower half of my reads. Altogether, while he has a permanent Vail preventing me from putting him much higher, he is still someone I'd say is more likely town than not.

Vaxkiller:

Vaxkiller also has gone on a rollercoaster in my reads, from a six to a four before I settled on five. To some extent, he Vaxes me; I don't have a reliable way of reading his contribution. However, some of his pushes, while containing some...questionable...reasoning, look like they are genuinely going in the right direction. Not a killer-strong read, but enough that I want to keep him in the game longer.

NicoRobin:

Nico's not reacting in the way I would expect her to if she were town, but I want to wait longer before committing to this, because she also lurks/flakes plenty as town and this could be one of those times. If she does the thing I am expecting her to do as either alignment, I'll have a better handle on her.

ReubenWasFine:

There isn't much here and I have no game experience with Reuben, but Reuben's contributions to this game have been...lackluster. Not condemning, but certainly not endearing.

Screenplay:

Screenplay's contribution this game on the other hand have been somewhat indicative of pun. He is also fairly lackluster, but the difference is I have the experience with him to know that if he were town he

shouldn't

be. None of his contributions in this game have been even remotely endearing, and yet I've seen plenty of content sending up red flags, as early as 106. 108 was hollow as well, with no purpose behind it. His reads such as in 177 are opposite what they should be, and he is someone who I respect as a punhunter. Being on vacation feels like more of an excuse than anything else; he is posting plenty, he is reading everything (both of these are self-evident if you look at his iso), and yet in spite of this he is doing virtually nothing.

TehBrawlGuy:

This is another player I don't have much experience with, but his posting has continued to get worse. I'm having trouble explaining this one at the moment, so I'll try to tackle him in a separate post.

PenguinPower:

No need for me to explain my read here. I can simply recycle what I said on him before.

PenguinPower had an incredibly town entrance, which was natural; there was absolutely nothing artificial or fake in his opening. This earned him the spot as my penultimate townread. Since then, there has been a perfect blend of being lighthearted and scumhunting; he's neither fluff posted nor been super serious. That is exactly what I would expect of him as town. Pending some major change, my townread there is never shifting its strength.

I have no feelings on Titus right now. I am very skeptical of people who town read me D1 (outside a very small set of players), especially when they don't provide a reason as to why they town read me when asked.

I provided my reasoning.

I'll bite the bait though, tell me about this PP read.

I already did; you should have paid attention the first time.

Yea, but...I'm policy lynching...uh....

Power to you, my friend. I believe you have no place in a penitentiary.

PenguinPower had an incredibly town entrance, which was natural; there was absolutely nothing artificial or fake in his opening. This earned him the spot as my penultimate townread. Since then, there has been a perfect blend of being lighthearted and scumhunting; he's neither fluff posted nor been super serious. That is exactly what I would expect of him as town. Pending some major change, my townread there is never shifting its strength.

This still holds. I am quite positive you have been scumhunting and you yourself know that to be true. If you want me to point out the more 'lighthearted' content, I can.

Except this game, just invert it; PenguinPower's entrance this game was incredibly stilted. His posting this game has been entirely super-serious; he is altogether missing the lighthearted aspect. His focus has been too much on mechanics and not enough on punhunting. Add in that the role he claimed is literally a pun role, and he is a solid punread.

Pine:

I described the threefold reasons for this read briefly before.

Pine, the short version is that this is Pine transparently being a punfuck. I am intimately familiar with his meta as both alignments and I guarantee you his contribution this game is him as pun. I can cite multiple behavioral tells to this effect, from what content he is giving, what reads he has given, to the ways he has given it and I will do precisely that in the full version. He had no clue he was playing with

me

, so he didn't properly hide his tells that give him away to me.

The way Pine gave his content was in his posting gimmick. Pine was giving his reads through the "hey Errant got really drunk and slipped in discord..." method. The mod may have told him to stop, but without the mod intervening there, he would have continued to use that gimmick for the whole game.

I can cite multiple references to this, but most famously would in fact be Civilization, something Nahdia should be all too aware of. Pine uses gimmicks to mask his pun content, as a way of hiding in plain sight. They have served him well in the past, acting as a way to engage others in an entertaining manner but also lead to them underestimating him.

Prior to the gimmick, which brings me to the first point, Pine was contributing nothing. This was part of where the punread originated. Pine willingly replaced into the game. What did he do after replacing in? Nothing. Pine replaced in at 170, page 7, on June 5th.
Pine's first content was 253, a singular line on PenguinPower echoing thread consensus (more on that when we get to point two), but his first full contribution is 459, page 19, on June 9th.

He has given no reasons for his reads. (The gimmick also helps to serve mask a lack of reasons.) And he has given reads on only a small fraction of the players in the game. And he has done nothing since choosing to replace in. I know Pine, and while he may adamantly deny it, as pun he is a lurker, both in the sense of not posting often and actively lurking a fair amount of the time he posts.

Were he town, he would have upon replacing in done his absolute best to give content in spite of having not read the game. Pine replacing in as town needs not have read the whole game to contribute opinions, but the Pine of this game did nothing...except for, when he did go with his gimmicky reads, defend the players in the game most likely to be pun.

Why is that condemning?

Because Pine is the strongest anti-busser pun player on the site. He will distance. He'll even vote a punbuddy. He might 'bus' in the sense that he'll pine after a punbuddy who makes sense to push but given the slightest excuse he'll abort it if he sees an opportunity to let the punbuddy live. And he sees opportunities even where by all rights none

should

be. By that I mean he sees a chance to abort a bus where other players insist to continue one.

This is particularly pertinent given PenguinPower. If you assume PenguinPower is pun, then 253 is perfect distancing. Given the first opportunity, he reverses the read to being a townread. And his other noteworthy townread? TehBrawlGuy. The two players in the game aside from Pine, most likely to be pun, and Pine townreads them.

His approach this game has been pun. His content this game has been pun. This is, 100% guaranteed to be his pungame. He would never have played this way if he had known I was in the game, but since he was unaware of my presence, he thought that this strategy would go unnoticed.

Here I go into extensive detail about the bottom half of my reads, wherein you can see my punreads. In particular, I write multiple paragraphs outlining precisely why I feel Pine and PenguinPower in particular are pun.

Protected from people below them, kills people ranked higher. That screams “self-aligned” to me.

I’m not opposed to leashing it.

That role sure WOULD be perfect for 3p, but unfortunately for your attempted narrative, it is not the role I claimed.

Pine was misrepresenting the nature of the role I claimed, which if left unchallenged would have led to support of the 3p narrative, allowing him to get away with diverting discussion away from punhunting and onto mechanics.

Vaxkiller: Vaxkiller also has gone on a rollercoaster in my reads, from a six to a four before I settled on five. To some extent, he Vaxes me; I don't have a reliable way of reading his contribution. However, some of his pushes, while containing some...questionable...reasoning, look like they are genuinely going in the right direction. Not a killer-strong read, but enough that I want to keep him in the game longer.

This "rollercoaster from a six to a four to a five" feels fake.

Do you want me to do a Post By Post Analysis of Vaxkiller to prove what I mean? I kid you not, I can and will do it to show

precisely

why he has gone up and down and all around on my reads list.

Vaxkiller: Vaxkiller also has gone on a rollercoaster in my reads, from a six to a four before I settled on five. To some extent, he Vaxes me; I don't have a reliable way of reading his contribution. However, some of his pushes, while containing some...questionable...reasoning, look like they are genuinely going in the right direction. Not a killer-strong read, but enough that I want to keep him in the game longer.

This "rollercoaster from a six to a four to a five" feels fake.

Workin my way backwards, but yeah this confuses me as well. I'm a roller coaster but i Vex him, I push some, but something i do are questionable.. I look genuine, but not a strong read. I mean it dont get more wishy washy than that.

Vaxkiller, I realize English is not your first language, but perhaps you should look up the idiomatic expression like a roller coaster.

"Wishy-washy" is

precisely the definition of the expression

.
Yes you have gone up, yes you have gone down. Yes, you have things I like, yes you have things I don't like. That is precisely what I said my read on you was: uncertain, varying, constantly changing and shifting.

I also don't like how Pun's rankings -- 10, 8, 8, 8, 6, 6, 6, 5, 5, 5, 5, 4, 4, 3, 2, 2, 0 -- don't match up to the actual rankings -- 10, 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 6, 5, 5, 4, 4, 3, 2, 1, 0, 0, 0 -- seems like a very unnatural way to think about the game if you're actually trying to sort reads into a meaningful rankings list.

Your mistake is in thinking it's a

rankings

list.

It is not.

It is a

reads

list. Strongest town, strong town, weak town, various shades of null, potential pun, slight pun, pun, STRONG pun, approximately.

Read it again with that understanding and you will have a much better handling on where I am coming from.

Screenplay: Screenplay's contribution this game on the other hand have been somewhat indicative of pun. He is also fairly lackluster, but the difference is I have the experience with him to know that if he were town he shouldn't be. None of his contributions in this game have been even remotely endearing, and yet I've seen plenty of content sending up red flags, as early as 106. 108 was hollow as well, with no purpose behind it. His reads such as in 177 are opposite what they should be, and he is someone who I respect as a punhunter. Being on vacation feels like more of an excuse than anything else; he is posting plenty, he is reading everything (both of these are self-evident if you look at his iso), and yet in spite of this he is doing virtually nothing.

I’m not sure who you are but this is bullshit. You have went way down on my list.

If it were bullshit as you say, then you'd be able to explain why it was bullshit. You're not as incompetent/lackluster as you are pretending to be.

I think their being stilted is pretty well excused by there being no votes. I think their progression towards and the way they claimed came off as town.

I very strongly do not think a lack of votes justifies being stilted. It is an excuse for slacking off, nothing more, especially given that the mod announced from the onset a willingness to track the votes even though they hold no weight. Check the timing for yourself. That is Errantparabola's first votecount; the precedence for voting had already been established.

PenguinPower's complaint was a full 94 posts later. Check the timestamps as well. Errantparabola's post 100 has no edit mark. That means it was not edited at a later date. That means it was made on Monday, June 4th; PenguinPower's post complaining was on Wednesday, June 6th. The moderator was

already providing a service that PenguinPower was complaining about a lack of

. His complaint was thus an excuse. Nothing more; the stilted nature of his entrance cannot be reasonably explained by it.

Furthermore, the progression of his claim is the opposite of town. He didn't immediately counter my claim. It was only when players began to show suspicion of his contributions to the game that he provided his claim. When that claim proved to make things worse rather than better, he fullclaimed. He knew he was getting in trouble, and was hoping the truth would make him look better.

This was one of the contributing factors in my decision to fullclaim. PenguinPower's claim progression was meant to protect him from being voted off N1...and if I didn't realclaim, he'd have gotten away with it because people like you were buying it.

Here I respond to the people who responded to where I explain my reads. I offer to show in greater detail, a post by post take on Vaxkiller as to why my read there has shifted so much. I clarify that I am not producing rankings lists, but READS lists. I then go on the offensive, both by pressuring Screenplay, and by outlining why PenguinPower is pun.

i want to say Pine is scum, but i'm finding it difficult to rationalize what scum Pine's plan is this game, at all.

I already outlined it. Pine's team this game has some reasonable distancing, but is largely playing the same game: lackluster posting, lurking, and not contributing much. Giving the bare minimum to pass by, not drawing attention. Letting the active posters duke it out in town V town fighting, and subtly supporting this from the background. Focusing on mechanics talk rather than punhunting, for cheap towncred while avoiding giving hard stances that are difficult to back out of.

Is this an original plan? Why no, no it isn't. Is it a "boring" plan? Why yes, yes it is; it is thoroughly uninspired. Why doesn't that disqualify it from being Pine's plan? Because Pine is incredibly pragmatic and opportunistic. If he sees an opening to use a strategy, it doesn't matter how boring/unoriginal it is. He'll use it anyway because a plan which is boring yet practical is a more surefire way to win the game. He doesn't need to make flashy maneuvers. Flashy maneuvers are Pine's desperation moves, when he is backed into a corner.

The most unorthodox part of Pine's pun stratagem lies in his nightkills, something we haven't witnessed yet. His dayplay is not something very creative as he has no need to shift gears from the plan he knows will work, until something (like a player who is on an alt that secretly has loads of experience with him he was unaware of) throws a wrench in the plan. And he doesn't even enact that until the last possible moment; if he thinks he can salvage his original plan, at every opportunity, he will.

I can cite Turn of Camn as the most fresh example of this; at every point he was adamantly against altering the plan to account for Ellibereth, until he was given no choice. You were there so you should know precisely what I am talking about. Pine's play is his textbook punplay this game. He hasn't shifted gears yet because he still holds hope his plan will work, so it's still on display for all to see.

Here I explain what Pine's pungame is, and why his plan this game is it.

Pine is scummy on this page

Immensely so, and it is proof of the concept I am referring to.

He is shifting focus away from punhunting, and onto theory discussion. Theory discussion has the benefit of looking town and can offer him immediate towncred, while also distracting the town because theory discussion bears no ACTUAL alignment relevance.

Here I bring up by proxy examples of the behavior I am citing from Pine which are his pungame, and explaining why they are indicative of him being pun.

I'm certain that he half claimed, then admitted to lying about his claim, then added a N1 modifier after being asked to vig me.

This is a fine narrative but one which fails to live up to reality.

This was a proxy-callout of the punteam. Pine, TehBrawlGuy, and PenguinPower have all taken similar stances on the nature of my role, as if there were a discussion behind closed doors.

Since I know that's not a neighborhood with daychat, there's only one option that comes to mind.

If it were bullshit as you say, then you'd be able to explain why it was bullshit. You're not as incompetent/lackluster as you are pretending to be.

That’s bull shit as well because you would know that I am incompetent at explaining.

No, you claim you are but you're not. You explain things better than you are pretending. Furthermore, you actually

try

to explain things. You don't leave things as empty statements; you still explain in spite of the "incompetence" at explaining.

I know this in part because I have a similar perspective as pun; I underestimate my own competency as town and pretend I am a worse town player than I actually am, and

this

is what I am saying you are doing. You are stating you are incompetent when I know for a fact you are not actually that incompetent. You likely have a self-perception you're not that incompetent, and thus as pun you "mute" your own competency.

Perhaps I am not explaining this as well as I should, but I feel my message gets across. There is a disconnect between the level of skill I have witnessed from you when you've been town, and the level of skill you are displaying in this game. That disconnect most likely originates from a perception of "I'm not a good town player, so I need to pretend I'm not a good player", leading to you as pun being less competent than you should be.

Another way of stating this:
I do not believe you're lying about thinking it's bullshit.
I do not believe you

think

you're lying about being incompetent.
I believe you fully

think

that you're incompetent as town.
But I believe that perception is flawed, and that you're

not actually incompetent as town in spite of believing you're incompetent as town

.
And

due to this flawed perception, as pun you act incompetently

.
Which introduces the disconnect.

Here I engage Screenplay and go into greater detail as to why I am punreading him.

i feel like scum is lurking pretty hard rn.

Then you should rate Pine 0 and give a low rating to Screenplay.

Here I directly call Pine and Screenplay lurkers, as the most blatant examples.

That's the most important takeaways from my content.

You may note that is well over half of my iso devoted entirely towards pushing Pine.

[Errantparabola]

MOD: You deleted it from the original post, but the data can still be accessed from quotes of the post.

I'll delete it just as a matter of principle but there are other ways that the link can still be accessed so it doesn't really matter. I don't think there's a problem with trusting TBG to not break the rules, as there are many other ways in which someone could talk after they're dead (PMs, for example) so mafia really just operates on a baseline of trust. I think in the future, taking this into account, I'll just allow links and let people self-police.

[Punreader]

Pun, did you keep a document of you reads or something?

Yes.

TOWNIE TENS:

Chara

EAGER EIGHTS:

Taly
Dunnstral
ActionDan

SOLID SIXES:

Shoshin
MariaR
Espeonage

FINICKY FIVES:

the worst
Fire Assassin
DeasVail
Vaxkiller

UNFORTUNATE FOURS:

NicoRobin
ReubenWasFine

IN-BETWEEN THREES:

Srceenplay

TERRIBLE TWOS:

TehBrawlGuy
PenguinPower

ZOMBIFY THESE ZEROES:

Pine/TwoInAMillion

The

strength

of these reads changed (most notably, PenguinPower moving from a 2 to a 0), but the

positioning

of reads never changed past this point. This is because my reasons for these reads,

Spoiler: Found Here,

PenguinPower has become a zero, but I will detail that later; otherwise, this remains unchanged and is my reference point.

I'll begin by stating, most of my reads come from meta combined with motivations: what I expect to see as either alignment. I can do this for almost the entire playerlist to some extent, but some of these reads are going to have a stronger base than others. With that established...

Chara:

My Chara townread comes primarily from having many games' experience with it. I hesitate to Chare my past experience (as my meta comes from first-hand exposure, linking to examples would be traceable to my main), but the Chararal Chist of it is that Chara always Chows a strong aptitude for forwarding a town wincon. (Okay I'll stop that now.) When Chara is town, it demonstrates this by providing a transparent thought process where its reasoning can be traced, step by step, from beginning to end. This trait, in of itself, isn't town, but what amplifies it is the consistency and the delivery of it. It's not only the process itself, but the content therein. While Chara is not an elite punhunter, Chara's process still provides reasonable town positions to hold.

This is not something Chara can fake convincingly. You can always tell Chara is town by it demonstrating the genuine attempt to game solve, furthering the town wincon in the process. In spite of Chara not being an elite punhunter, in its own way, you can still hold a certain burden of proficiency to it; if Chara's stances don't seem reasonable positions to hold, then it could be pun. However, Chara's content this game

does

show reasonable stances, with reasonable justifications. I follow the process, even if I don't fully agree with it. I agree with more than I don't, and understand how Chara is getting from point A to point B. All of this strongly suggests town.

Taly:

If you Tally his posts, it should be immediately obvious why I hold this read. He has the highest post count in this game by far, and in those posts, constantly, neverending, there is content where he explains his reads, justifies his stances, asks questions, and engages players. Not in of itself enough to be town because tryhard pun is a thing, but when you look at the nature of the content it becomes clear he isn't just doing "busywork". His content builds off of itself; he follows through on the content, and when his stances change, there is a logical progression in the shift.

When he presents posts, he does so without an attempt to force us to wolf it down. This violetly aggressive pushing shows a desire to work with others in a way difficult, but not quite impossible, to fake. He is similar to Chara in this regard, but I don't have the same level of familiarity with him to be as confident on my read here as I do on Chara.

Dunnstral:

I may have been a little hasty in having him this high, but I feel this is his town game off of what little he has provided. Admittedly, he lurks as both alignments but initial signs point to town.

Nahdia/ActionDan:

This read comes from ActionDan, obviously. ActionDan didn't contribute much before leaving the game, but what he did give was enough to make me instantly feel this is his towngame. When ActionDan is town, I expect his reads to be fairly competent, and also to have some level of synchronization with mine. He was suspicious of Screenplay before even I was, and also noted suspicion on TehBrawlGuy well before the thought crossed my mind. Does this mean his reads are right, of course not, but the fact he saw the same slots I see as suspect before I did is an instantly promising sign. His analysis of Espeonage is fairly good as well, and I thought his position on Chara/Deas was indicative of solid, critical thinking of a type difficult to fake as pun.

However, the lack of overall activity and his natural competency as a pun player keep this from being a read I would more strongly Act on. Counterbalancing that, given he was replaced I'd say that isn't Danning at all, so I may be promoting Nahdia's slot.

Shoshin:

Shoshin is one of the players in this game I am least-familiar with, so I can't speak about her with any meta-based experience. However, just off of her play, I felt that her content was indicative of town solving. 10 and 11 are comments that could come from pun, but I lean town on. Many of the directions she's headed have felt like good ones; I've liked the inquiries in posts such as 112, 115, 157, 164, 185, 189, 204, 257, 469, 470, and 486. There's good analysis in 337. However, I'm a little concerned that a great amount of what she has done doesn't appear to have much follow-through to it. This is mitigated by the times I can see it (for instance, the continued Screenplay push), but there are many times where I don't see her evolution in process, keeping me from promoting her. Shoshi's reasonably town, yet not locktown.

MariaR:

I have extensive experience with Maria. I'm not at the point where I can soulread her (not even remotely close), but I still have a reasonable baseline for what she'll be like as town, and initial signs are promising. However, this is not something I can lock in because the best ally in reading her is time we've not had; you never know, something might Mar my Rid there later.

Espeonage:

I don't actually have a good ability to read Espeonage even though I've spied on plenty of his games before. He's a little difficult to pin down; a fair amount of his content

has

made me question him, but he always ninjas his way out by the end. It's mostly the little things which give him this rating; I liked his lighthearted banter seen in such places as 33, balanced nicely by more serious gamesolving. Many of his prods have felt good, yet this boon is ruined by the conclusions reached from them; his stated reads are, by and large, backwards from what I would expect. Espeonage is reasonably competent, yet all the players I'm suspicious of (Pine, PenguinPower, TehBrawlGuy, Screenplay) are players he's giving passes for whatever reason, even if he had genuine inquiries.

the worst:

Another player I can't reliably read, albeit in part owing to lack of extensive experience. the worst case scenario would be him as pun, but I don't have any reason to suspect he is. He doesn't particularly make me feel town, but lacking a reason to punread him, he may actually be worthy of promotion.

Fire Assassin:

Though I have the experience necessary to meta read Fire Assassin

in theory

, in practice I simply don't know what I'm doing with him and pretending I do would be detrimental. I have no clue what to look for; I have no tells on him; I don't know what indicates he's town or pun. I can tell you overall on his play alone, the content he has produced hasn't been a Sin, but if there is a strong town Fire, I've yet to see it lit. If I had to make a call, it would be town, but I would do so with no confidence whatsoever.

DeasVail:

DeasVail is an incredibly talented pun player, and nothing he has done is out of his punrange. In fact, a fair amount of his content is actually the sort I'd expect if he were pun. For the longest time, he was

lower

in my readslist. What actually bumped him up was, in fact, when he gave

his

reads in 307. His Intervention was an incredible step in the right direction.

Though it's not impossible for him to distance/bus and it's a certainty my reads are far from perfect (and thus, that he could be pun that pushes town players I'm punreading), the significant overlap in reads and his explanation of his process all the same was enough to remove him from the lower half of my reads. Altogether, while he has a permanent Vail preventing me from putting him much higher, he is still someone I'd say is more likely town than not.

Vaxkiller:

Vaxkiller also has gone on a rollercoaster in my reads, from a six to a four before I settled on five. To some extent, he Vaxes me; I don't have a reliable way of reading his contribution. However, some of his pushes, while containing some...questionable...reasoning, look like they are genuinely going in the right direction. Not a killer-strong read, but enough that I want to keep him in the game longer.

NicoRobin:

Nico's not reacting in the way I would expect her to if she were town, but I want to wait longer before committing to this, because she also lurks/flakes plenty as town and this could be one of those times. If she does the thing I am expecting her to do as either alignment, I'll have a better handle on her.

ReubenWasFine:

There isn't much here and I have no game experience with Reuben, but Reuben's contributions to this game have been...lackluster. Not condemning, but certainly not endearing.

Screenplay:

Screenplay's contribution this game on the other hand have been somewhat indicative of pun. He is also fairly lackluster, but the difference is I have the experience with him to know that if he were town he

shouldn't

be. None of his contributions in this game have been even remotely endearing, and yet I've seen plenty of content sending up red flags, as early as 106. 108 was hollow as well, with no purpose behind it. His reads such as in 177 are opposite what they should be, and he is someone who I respect as a punhunter. Being on vacation feels like more of an excuse than anything else; he is posting plenty, he is reading everything (both of these are self-evident if you look at his iso), and yet in spite of this he is doing virtually nothing.

TehBrawlGuy:

This is another player I don't have much experience with, but his posting has continued to get worse. I'm having trouble explaining this one at the moment, so I'll try to tackle him in a separate post.

PenguinPower:

No need for me to explain my read here. I can simply recycle what I said on him before.

PenguinPower had an incredibly town entrance, which was natural; there was absolutely nothing artificial or fake in his opening. This earned him the spot as my penultimate townread. Since then, there has been a perfect blend of being lighthearted and scumhunting; he's neither fluff posted nor been super serious. That is exactly what I would expect of him as town. Pending some major change, my townread there is never shifting its strength.

I have no feelings on Titus right now. I am very skeptical of people who town read me D1 (outside a very small set of players), especially when they don't provide a reason as to why they town read me when asked.

I provided my reasoning.

I'll bite the bait though, tell me about this PP read.

I already did; you should have paid attention the first time.

Yea, but...I'm policy lynching...uh....

Power to you, my friend. I believe you have no place in a penitentiary.

PenguinPower had an incredibly town entrance, which was natural; there was absolutely nothing artificial or fake in his opening. This earned him the spot as my penultimate townread. Since then, there has been a perfect blend of being lighthearted and scumhunting; he's neither fluff posted nor been super serious. That is exactly what I would expect of him as town. Pending some major change, my townread there is never shifting its strength.

This still holds. I am quite positive you have been scumhunting and you yourself know that to be true. If you want me to point out the more 'lighthearted' content, I can.

Except this game, just invert it; PenguinPower's entrance this game was incredibly stilted. His posting this game has been entirely super-serious; he is altogether missing the lighthearted aspect. His focus has been too much on mechanics and not enough on punhunting. Add in that the role he claimed is literally a pun role, and he is a solid punread.

Pine:

I described the threefold reasons for this read briefly before.

Pine, the short version is that this is Pine transparently being a punfuck. I am intimately familiar with his meta as both alignments and I guarantee you his contribution this game is him as pun. I can cite multiple behavioral tells to this effect, from what content he is giving, what reads he has given, to the ways he has given it and I will do precisely that in the full version. He had no clue he was playing with

me

, so he didn't properly hide his tells that give him away to me.

The way Pine gave his content was in his posting gimmick. Pine was giving his reads through the "hey Errant got really drunk and slipped in discord..." method. The mod may have told him to stop, but without the mod intervening there, he would have continued to use that gimmick for the whole game.

I can cite multiple references to this, but most famously would in fact be Civilization, something Nahdia should be all too aware of. Pine uses gimmicks to mask his pun content, as a way of hiding in plain sight. They have served him well in the past, acting as a way to engage others in an entertaining manner but also lead to them underestimating him.

Prior to the gimmick, which brings me to the first point, Pine was contributing nothing. This was part of where the punread originated. Pine willingly replaced into the game. What did he do after replacing in? Nothing. Pine replaced in at 170, page 7, on June 5th.
Pine's first content was 253, a singular line on PenguinPower echoing thread consensus (more on that when we get to point two), but his first full contribution is 459, page 19, on June 9th.

He has given no reasons for his reads. (The gimmick also helps to serve mask a lack of reasons.) And he has given reads on only a small fraction of the players in the game. And he has done nothing since choosing to replace in. I know Pine, and while he may adamantly deny it, as pun he is a lurker, both in the sense of not posting often and actively lurking a fair amount of the time he posts.

Were he town, he would have upon replacing in done his absolute best to give content in spite of having not read the game. Pine replacing in as town needs not have read the whole game to contribute opinions, but the Pine of this game did nothing...except for, when he did go with his gimmicky reads, defend the players in the game most likely to be pun.

Why is that condemning?

Because Pine is the strongest anti-busser pun player on the site. He will distance. He'll even vote a punbuddy. He might 'bus' in the sense that he'll pine after a punbuddy who makes sense to push but given the slightest excuse he'll abort it if he sees an opportunity to let the punbuddy live. And he sees opportunities even where by all rights none

should

be. By that I mean he sees a chance to abort a bus where other players insist to continue one.

This is particularly pertinent given PenguinPower. If you assume PenguinPower is pun, then 253 is perfect distancing. Given the first opportunity, he reverses the read to being a townread. And his other noteworthy townread? TehBrawlGuy. The two players in the game aside from Pine, most likely to be pun, and Pine townreads them.

His approach this game has been pun. His content this game has been pun. This is, 100% guaranteed to be his pungame. He would never have played this way if he had known I was in the game, but since he was unaware of my presence, he thought that this strategy would go unnoticed.

Never changed.

I still find PenguinPower, TehBrawlGuy, and Screenplay suspect for the same reasons I did before.
I still hold various forms of null reads on the worst (although I am warming up to the idea of him being town here), Fire Assassin, DeasVail, and Vaxkiller.
I still hold very strong townreads on Chara, Taly, and Nahdia.
I still hold minor townreads on Shoshin, MariaR, and Espeonage.

Of course I

am

15 pages behind so this may change as I catch up, in which case I will inform you of this.