NY 213 - Game Over!

[Ausuka]

Not sure how to feel about this. Doubt there's any downside to saying who you want to vengekill.

If I die (and performer does indeed flip town which he will so) lynch from the perf wagon pls.

[Performer]

Self vote when town, is probably only helpful when you're a vengeful though...so.... I am thinking of venging osuka.

[Performer]

Dunn, pine, and pp have been on osuka for a long time, and he was the wagon right before me iirc.

[Ausuka]

ETL is scummy. I don't get townreads on KK. Wave is very scummy. Vax is probably town. Lalendra is scummy. Osuka is probably town. Arcangel is barely even playing. PP is scummy. Dunnstral is a bit scummy. Android is scummy. FA is probably town. Creature is definitely town.

[wavemode]

Doubt there's any downside to saying who you want to vengekill.

You really can't think of any possible downside to this?

[Ausuka]

It's your choice but I would reccomend strongly against vengekilling osuka especially considering he hasn't claimed.

Pedit: if the person hasn't claimed sure I thought we were shooting in vts.

[Ausuka]

I mean mafia can try to influence that but the solution is to not listen to the mafia

[Performer]

I think etl , vax, fa are town.
I feel like the other wagoners don't yield enough information regardless if they're more null or scummy.

[Ausuka]

do whatever works for you i guess.

[Performer]

One time vedith venged a Town Mason (nobody knew he was Mason), but they still won. I think it really is best if I venge him, because that can help sort folks on osuka wagon.

[Creature]

so.... I am thinking of venging osuka.

Alright

[Performer]

Just based on my skim the other day of large normal archives, there were a lot of mafia team wins and at least 1 sk win, so it's going to be hard. But seeing that folks can consolidate in some way these past few days, that's hopeful. I just wish it didn't come down to so close to deadline.

[Frozen Angel]

what changed about Android in your opinion?

Read Dunn's post I was responding to. I agree Android sounds more townish of late, but then I still think Performer is also Town.

@Texcat: Yes I was. A man is entitled to change their reads based on new content. No? Android didn't do jack shot all game, and was lurking even after he declared his VLA was over. I rallied for his lynch then. Recently he came on and sounded townie, but also declared he can't promise much if he lived to D2. He claimed a VT. His lynch still provides info through VCA, prevents more claims, and doesn't hurt the town much.

I mean what recent content changed your opinion and why

I'm interested to know your evaluation process

[Frozen Angel]

Argh just saw the self hammer.

[Hopkirk]

VOTE: Performer

Why?
How are you reading Android? The only mention of him in your iso is a (minor) scumread in the 400s. You haven't commented on him since the competing wagons.

[Frozen Angel]

I think the veng on osuka is eh but fine. With how absent he is in eod tbh and him claiming mafia rolecop in first post specially. I think I liked his defensive posts when he wasn't overdoing it. I wish if I could have real interactions with him though.

[Ausuka]

also can I just mention for tomorrow in case I do die that it's really weird that me and perf are both passive PRs in the hood: IC/Vengeful: but Wave is vanilla? I suppose it's possible that wave is a town vanilla neighbour. but to me? it seems awkward and unlikely.

[Ausuka]

One time vedith venged a Town Mason (nobody knew he was Mason), but they still won. I think it really is best if I venge him, because that can help sort folks on osuka wagon.

Yeah, if you want to venge osuka I won't talk you out of it. It's your vengekill, do whatever you want with it.

[Performer]

A lot of people wanted and/or still want osuka dead , and I've been wrong on my reads before, so it has to be him. No matter what my own interest is in wave, it makes the most sense for osuka...sorry osuka if you really are a pr. I think the pros outweigh the cons here.

Ircher needs to get on and lock thread!

I also don't think ausuka outing that I softed my role was a good idea, I wanted the wagon to develop naturally...otherwise all scum would avoid it, you know? Which is why I denied softing Vengeful. I also softed doc because in case I wasn't lynched, I wanted to mystify scum into choosing me over IC Ausuka.

@hop Android is scummy to me

[Ausuka]

I wanted scum to avoid it, I wanted town to avoid it, I wanted us to lynch someone more likely to flip scum :/ but I guess it wasn't to be

[Performer]

I think the veng on osuka is eh but fine. With how absent he is in eod tbh and him claiming mafia rolecop in first post specially. I think I liked his defensive posts when he wasn't overdoing it. I wish if I could have real interactions with him though.

if he turns out to be mafia rolecop, that would be a win-win

[Hopkirk]

Wave is prob scum then.
Ousuka feels too scummy to be scum but could flip scum.

[Frozen Angel]

I wanted scum to avoid it, I wanted town to avoid it, I wanted us to lynch someone more likely to flip scum :/ but I guess it wasn't to be

If it was coming from him It wouldn't look like pocketing the IC the way it did.

[Ausuka]

if osuka flips mafia rolecop then well done.

[Ausuka]

just because I townread someone doesn't mean they're pocketing me?