NY 213 - Game Over!

[Scioness Sajj]

And Gamma is... kinda not really seeming town here. I haven't played with them much, but from what I have seen I don't reeeeally think this is town from them?

why not?

[Tchill13]

i have done an iso let me present to you why i think Adriod18 is scum:
1. gut/tone
2. the thing with Jarjar

osuka's flip would interest me but I don't think it'd flip scum mostly because he's been a topic of the game for the whole thing.

reads to me as:

i know osuka is town but i don't have reads so my excuse for voting will be information

statment like that, when coming from town, i would expect to be followed with so game solving. in a way that he has already thought about what possible information can be gained. don't really see why town would lynch a townread for info if they don't even know if they will find anything.

I'm a VT do as you wish.

I'm a VT do as you wish.

That's a relief. The only reason I had you in my null-town reads earlier was that I thought you might be a PR who didn't know how to handle your role. That did wear out already, but thanks for the reassurance. Lynching a VT is the next best thing to lynching scum with 16 hours to go.

I would agree if lynching that VT was a good information read but from what I'm getting I'm mostly a policy lynch (an understandable policy lynch but still one none the less)

if you want to lynch me lynch me BUT remember i'm not really that good lynch.

in a span of 10 minutes. it's pretty obvious that he didn't really mean 1790 and got scared by A50 post. don't see it coming from town.

i had just started my catch up (pg 119). This looked like genuine sorting. I got a good vibe from it. I liked what I seen.

thats the only reason i mentioned TR'ing you.

[texcat]

I can't tell if mylo is still here. If only there was someone who could tell us.

This actually made me laugh out loud.

[Scioness Sajj]

i had just started my catch up (pg 119). This looked like genuine sorting. I got a good vibe from it. I liked what I seen.

thats the only reason i mentioned TR'ing you.

That's fair. Are you caught up fully now?

[Tchill13]

Yes 119-current. I haven't read before 119 but picked up on things such a a VT claim and a vig fake claim apparently.

[Gamma Emerald]

Are there only two scum? Because it seems to me I have one more to find.

that was my point. you said were too busy looking for scum to defend yourself/. Wondering when the scumhunting was gonna start?

Wait Lalendra you seriously expect only 4 scum?

I indicated in that post that I expect 3 (Wheme confirmed, TBG suspected, one more to find). Do you think there are more than 4?

With 25 players yeah, that seems low, you'd expect 4 in a 17p game, here 5 seems like the low end

[Gamma Emerald]

Are there only two scum? Because it seems to me I have one more to find.

that was my point. you said were too busy looking for scum to defend yourself/. Wondering when the scumhunting was gonna start?

Wait Lalendra you seriously expect only 4 scum?

I indicated in that post that I expect 3 (Wheme confirmed, TBG suspected, one more to find). Do you think there are more than 4?

actually wtf how do you think 3 is every acceptable here
do you not realize you're in a 25p? Do you think this is a 13p?

[TehBrawlGuy]

Gamma, you appear to be caught up. Who's in your scumpool and why?

[Tchill13]

Omg I'm interested at how lalendra is gonna handle this lmao.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, you appear to be caught up. Who's in your scumpool and why?

Not really? I'm current with what's happened d3 but I've missed a fair part of d2

[Ircher]

Day 3 VC #10

Dunnstral (2) - Golden Robster (3559), Myloninja13 (3765)
Creature (1) - Kublai Khan (3511)

Lalendra (7) - Hopkirk (3661), Ausuka (3677), PenguinPower (3678), Tchill13 (3690), Wavemode (3716), JarJarDrinks (3721), Ankamius (3801)

JarJarDrinks (0) -
Texcat (3) - Creature (3744), Scioness Sajj (3756), TehBrawlGuy (3790)
TehBrawlGuy (1) - Lalendra (3719)
Myloninja13 (2) - Dunnstral (3463), Texcat (3637)
Not Voting (4) - Frozen Angel, Gamma Emerald, Pine, Vaxkiller

Lynch Threshold

During day 3, it takes 11 votes to lynch a player.

Deadline

Day 3 ends on July 24, 2018 8:00 PM EDT (GMT-4:00) or in (expired on 2018-07-24 20:00:00).

Moderator Notes

If you have consistent weekend V/LA, you must remind me every weekend, or I will prod you. Alternatively, you can set V/LA tags each weekend.
PenguinPower is V/LA from July 19 to July 22.
If you notice any mistakes, please point them out. (That includes looking at the voting history.)

Spoiler: Current Voting History

Day 3

Dunnstral: Myloninja13 (3463)
Golden Robster: Dunnstral (3559)
Creature: Texcat (3472) --> Lalendra (3681) --> Texcat (3744)
Kublai Khan: Creature (3511)
Hopkirk: Lalendra (3661)

Ausuka

: Myloninja13 (3640) --> Lalendra (3677)
Lalendra: TehBrawlGuy (3719)
Tchill13: Lalendra (3690)
JarJarDrinks: Creature (3616) --> (Null) (3694) --> Lalendra (3695) --> Dunnstral (3704) --> Lalendra (3721)
Ankamius: Lalendra (3801)
Texcat: Myloninja13 (3637)
TehBrawlGuy: JarJarDrinks (3466) --> Texcat (3790)
Wavemode: TehBrawlGuy (3468) --> Lalendra (3716)
PenguinPower: Texcat (3473) --> Myloninja13 (3643) --> Lalendra (3678)
Myloninja13: Dunnstral (3765)
Scioness Sajj: Texcat (3756)

Spoiler: Previous Voting History

Day 2

Note: * - Hammer Vote

Dunnstral (4): Myloninja13 (1942) --> JarJarDrinks (2206) --> PenguinPower (3242) --> TehBrawlGuy (3248)
Golden Robster (17): Hopkirk (2078) --> (Null) (2096) --> PenguinPower (2112) --> Scioness Sajj (2152) --> Vaxkiller (2171) --> (Null) (2288) --> Creature (2299) -->

WhemeStar

(2304) --> Wavemode (2367) --> Scioness Sajj (2432) --> TehBrawlGuy (2526) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2642) --> (Null) (2783) --> PenguinPower (2979) -->

WhemeStar

(3099) --> (Null) (3284) -->

WhemeStar

(3286)
Pine (1): Andriod18 (1936)
Creature (3): Myloninja13 (1941) --> PenguinPower (2835) -->

WhemeStar

(3453*)
Kublai Khan (5):

Flavor Leaf

(1944) --> (Null) (2366) --> Vaxkiller (2423) --> PenguinPower (2899) -->

WhemeStar

(3027)

WhemeStar

(4): Vaxkiller (2245) --> JarJarDrinks (2301) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2542) --> PenguinPower (2930)
Hopkirk (5): Andriod18 (2197) --> Kublai Khan (2346) --> (Null) (2781) ==> (Null) (2782) -->

WhemeStar

(3008)
Gamma Emerald (5): Kublai Khan (2488) --> Golden Robster (2839) --> (Null) (2867) --> PenguinPower (2990) -->

WhemeStar

(3318)

Ausuka

(7): PenguinPower (1960) --> Myloninja13 (2434) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2504) --> (Null) (2573) --> Myloninja13 (2574) --> TehBrawlGuy (3023) -->

WhemeStar

(3293)
Lalendra (7): Vaxkiller (2184) --> JarJarDrinks (2334) --> Andriod18 (2503) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2657) --> (Null) (2705) --> PenguinPower (2809) -->

WhemeStar

(3097)
EspeciallyTheLies (1): PenguinPower (1996)
JarJarDrinks (10): Andriod18 (1945) --> EspeciallyTheLies (2041) --> (Null) (2066) --> Andriod18 (2192) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2327) --> (Null) (2612) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2640) --> (Null) (2755) --> Andriod18 (2943) -->

WhemeStar

(3030)
Andriod18 (2): JarJarDrinks (2116) --> Kublai Khan (2533)
Texcat (2): ArcAngel9 (1987) --> Myloninja13 (2552)
ArcAngel9 (1): Texcat (2072)
TehBrawlGuy (7): (Null) (2535) --> Wavemode (2690) -->

WhemeStar

(3062) --> (Null) (3118) -->

WhemeStar

(3165) --> (Null) (3196) -->

WhemeStar

(3233)
Vaxkiller (5):

WhemeStar

(2343) --> Myloninja13 (2472) --> PenguinPower (3012) -->

WhemeStar

(3112) --> PenguinPower (3290)
Wavemode (6): Texcat (2044) --> Andriod18 (2331) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2635) --> (Null) (2800) -->

WhemeStar

(2966) ==>

WhemeStar

(3115)
PenguinPower (7): Myloninja13 (1947) --> Kublai Khan (2572) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2709) --> Myloninja13 (2759) --> Golden Robster (2775) --> (Null) (2894) -->

WhemeStar

(2962)
Myloninja13 (1): PenguinPower (2437)
Scioness Sajj (3): Andriod18 (2904) -->

WhemeStar

(3034) --> PenguinPower (3255)

Flavor Leaf

(5): JarJarDrinks (2205) --> Kublai Khan (2499) --> PenguinPower (2715) --> Golden Robster (2774) -->

WhemeStar

(2958)

Day 1

Note: * = Hammer Vote

Note: ^ = Vote after hammer vote.

Dunnstral (5):

Osuka

(77) --> Texcat (1388) --> Lalendra (1623) -->

Osuka

(1758) -->

Performer

(1782)

Srceenplay

(0): (Null)

Performer

(5):

Osuka

(623) --> TheRampage (909) --> Wavemode (1051) --> Andriod18 (1765) -->

Performer

(1849)*

Joral

(0): (Null)

Almost50

(8): Hopkirk (97) --> Edosurist (226) -->

Osuka

(390) -->

Ausuka

(1205) --> (Null) (1304) --> Vaxkiller (1352) --> (Null) (1380) --> Andriod18 (1460)
Fumuki (0): (Null)
Golden Robster (13):

Almost50

(177) --> Wavemode (183) -->

Osuka

(236) -->

Ausuka (317)

--> JarJarDrinks (319) --> (Null) (546) --> Vaxkiller (602) --> (Null) (1504) --> Wavemode (1588) --> (Null) (1589) --> ArcAngel9 (1770) --> Andriod18 (1784) --> (Null) (1798)
Pine (2):

Osuka

(176) --> Andriod18 (1835)
Creature (6):

Performer

(385) --> Myloninja13 (720) --> TheRampage (813) -->

Performer

(898) --> Andriod18 (1449) -->

Performer

(1846)
Kublai Khan (6):

Osuka

(76) -->

Almost50

(122) --> Scioness Sajj (388) --> JarJarDrinks (536) -->

Osuka

(725) -->

Performer

(957)

WhemeStar

(3): Lalendra (234) --> JarJarDrinks (797) -->

Flavor Leaf

(955)
Hopkirk (9):

Osuka

(90) --> Lalendra (279) -->

Osuka

(696) --> (Null) (993) --> Wavemode (999) -->

Performer

(1273) --> (Null) (1315) -->

Performer

(1458) --> Andriod18 (1679)
Edosurist (2): Texcat (84) -->

Almost50

(222)
Gamma Emerald (3): Vaxkiller (710) --> Wavemode (1107) --> Andriod18 (1711) --> _{(Null) (1889)^}

Ausuka

(9): JarJarDrinks (89) --> Creature (104) --> Myloninja13 (429) --> (Null) (742) --> TheRampage (743) --> Wavemode (998) -->

Performer

(1604) --> Lalendra (1624) --> Andriod18 (1680)
Lalendra (3):

Almost50

(209) --> (Null) (559) -->

Performer

(1229)
EspeciallyTheLies (2):

Almost50

(83) -->

Performer

(515)
Lovebird (1): Edosurist (259)
Davesaz (1): Wavemode (1014)
Frozen Angel (3):

Performer

(1579) --> (Null) (1606) -->

Performer

(1814)
JarJarDrinks (8):

Osuka

(85) -->

Almost50

(114) --> Charles510 (186) --> Edosurist (231) -->

Osuka

(535) -->

Ausuka

(842) --> Wavemode (1112) --> Andriod18 (1410)

Osuka

(10): Wavemode (80) --> JarJarDrinks (124) --> ArcAngel9 (229) --> Pine (332) --> JarJarDrinks (353) -->

Performer

(769) --> TheRampage (771) -->

Performer

(1047) --> Vaxkiller (1359) -->

Performer

(1384)
Texcat (4):

Osuka

(79) --> Wavemode (1080) -->

Osuka

(1703) --> Andriod18 (1777)
Andriod18 (4): Kublai Khan (190) --> Lovebird (290) --> JarJarDrinks (855) -->

Performer

(1796)
ArcAngel9 (4): Texcat (81) --> TheRampage (223) --> Texcat (604) -->

Performer

(1397)
Charles510 (2): JarJarDrinks (87) --> (Null) (310)
Vaxkiller (8): JarJarDrinks (363) --> Scioness Sajj (389) --> Andriod18 (437) --> JarJarDrinks (532) --> Golden Robster (678) --> Wavemode (1078) --> TheRampage (1085) -->

Performer

(1116)
Wavemode (5): Texcat (82) --> Charles510 (131) --> (Null) (838) -->

Osuka

(867) -->

Performer

(1108)
TheRampage (3): Creature (100) --> (Null) (509) -->

Osuka

(681)
PenguinPower (1):

Performer

(1774)
Myloninja13 (4): Edosurist (233) --> JarJarDrinks (326) -->

Performer

(1554) --> Andriod18 (1787)
Scioness Sajj (4):

Ausuka

(406) --> (Null) (1325) -->

Performer

(1552) --> Andriod18 (1760)

Flavor Leaf

(1): Andriod18 (1772)

Pre-Game

Dunnstral (2): Texcat (9) --> Pine (43)

Srceenplay

(1): Andriod18 (62)
Pine (1):

Osuka

(16)
Kublai Khan (1): Pine (34)
Hopkirk (1):

Osuka

(66)
Edosurist (1): Pine (42)

Osuka

(2): Pine (28) --> Wavemode (33)
Texcat (1): Pine (44)
Wavemode (1):

Osuka

(31)

[Ircher]

Seeking a replacement for Pine for general inactivity (both as of day 2 and day 3). They can keep their slot if they post content before I find a replacement.

[JarJarDrinks]

Creature, why'd u leave the lala wagon?

It felt pointless.

Why did it feel pointless? Hopkirk and flavor both said she's scum. They're both confirmed town. Flavor was dead on with his weme read. Weme openly committed wifom to make sure scum were able to kill flavor (which means he was a huge threat).

I'm 99 percent sure flavor called out two scum members at least. If that's true I'd be willing to bet on lalendra the most out of his call outs.

IDK how much bad creature play we can excuse because "He posts when he's town".

[JarJarDrinks]

Are there only two scum? Because it seems to me I have one more to find.

that was my point. you said were too busy looking for scum to defend yourself/. Wondering when the scumhunting was gonna start?

Do you have an actual question or are you just going to nitpick me to death?

Sure, thoughts on the leading wagons?

[JarJarDrinks]

Call me when the obvscum are all gone

U sure you wouldn't rather be here to try to derail their wagons?

[JarJarDrinks]

not feeling those wagons today.
wheme over penguin, but we may have to go back to PP anyway.

VOTE: whemestar

After yesterday I feel okay with my vote on Wheme.

I have no idea how Texcat could make that post asking about extension (not to say it looked like giving an extension would suggest answer) and then asks about Mylo.

VOTE: penguinpower
Don't scumread tbg, nor do I want another claim.

Will switched if needed.

This looks more like scum who jumps off when Wheme fakeclaims than Dunn. Goes onto Wheme despite no stated scumread (from a loneish wagon) on Wheme, jumps off Wheme after the claim onto the Penguin counterwagon. Also the reluctancy in the initial Wheme vote (we'll probably go back to penguin)- despite not being on Penguin- sounds like someone planning to hop off/not comitted.

I'm buying this.

[Tchill13]

@jarjar I just don't like the fact that he ignored my question. He obviously thinks lalendra is a good lynch yet he says lalendras wagon is boring? What the heck?

[JarJarDrinks]

not feeling those wagons today.
wheme over penguin, but we may have to go back to PP anyway.

VOTE: whemestar

After yesterday I feel okay with my vote on Wheme.

I have no idea how Texcat could make that post asking about extension (not to say it looked like giving an extension would suggest answer) and then asks about Mylo.

VOTE: penguinpower
Don't scumread tbg, nor do I want another claim.

Will switched if needed.

This looks more like scum who jumps off when Wheme fakeclaims than Dunn. Goes onto Wheme despite no stated scumread (from a loneish wagon) on Wheme, jumps off Wheme after the claim onto the Penguin counterwagon. Also the reluctancy in the initial Wheme vote (we'll probably go back to penguin)- despite not being on Penguin- sounds like someone planning to hop off/not comitted.

I'm buying this.

especially how in 3255 he doesnt even acknowledge wheme at all. His only other post after the claim was this:

I'd prefer PP over tbg tbh

As if PP vs TBG were the only options there were. His vote is on wheme so u'd think he'd acknowledge him somehow. Like not even an opinion on the clam?

[Kublai Khan]

My scum game can be boiled down to "no hard stances, just hop into whatever comes", which is completely contradictory to this game.

Oh. And people who know their scum meta never try to subvert it to win games as scum, right?

WhemeStar thought Myloninja13 was in the neighborhood at one point.

Ok...?

If Myloninja13 is a scummate, I don't think that WhemeStar is going to accidentally put him in the neighborhood. Considering the neighborhood was a major lynch possibility during Day 1.

Unless, of course, both Myloninja13 and wavemode are scummates with WhemeStar. In which case, it makes sense to confuse the two.

As far as I’m aware, Wheme is aware of the Creature meta thing, so he can’t not townread Creature without drawing suspicion (and Wheme's play wasn't exactly with the intent of being the centre of attention). I feel that mitigates the interactions Tchill mentions from Wheme's side of it.

Do you realize how crazy that sounds. "Creature tried really really had to stop WhemeStar from being the lynch, but the fact that WhemeStar kept calling Creature town mitigates it."

Creature posted so little Day 2 (before the EOD) that he was on the replacement list. Creature was mid-flake. Why wouldn't scum-WhemeStar turn on town-Creature at that point? Specifically in that mid-Day 2 posting period, WhemeStar could have easily turned on Creature and called him scummy. But instead he doesn't waver and makes sure to say Creature was town.

Oh my god Tchill might be scum
I had this exact same fucking fight with him in a past mini, the fact he's learned nothing tells me that something is very wrong

How similar?

Actually the way it played out I see it as a good scum play. You die, tada you have confirmed a vig exists. You live, you know that there is not a vig. I will state if Vaxkiller is scum I'd expect a BIG scumteam, like 6-7, as being willing to make that sacrifice sorta implies that.

What? That makes no sense. Scum aren't going to trade the life of one member just to learn something that they'd learn anyways. Generally town vigs have itchy trigger fingers.

Right now the lynch pool is {Creature, TehBrawlGuy, Scioness Sajj, Lalendra}

[JarJarDrinks]

Right now the lynch pool is {Creature, TehBrawlGuy, Scioness Sajj, Lalendra}

IN: Dunn
OUT: TBG

[Lalendra]

-his reads were accurate (although we agreed on most of them)
-you were one of his top (2, maybe 3) scumreads.

I feel like there's a problem with this that you aren't seeing.
Scum probably need to consider a bodyguard in their killpick too.

I am seeing the problem - that you think I'm scum because I was one of his scumreads before he died.
The problem YOU aren't seeing is that I'm town. I think his read on TBG was accurate, hence my vote there.

[Lalendra]

I'm 99 percent sure flavor called out two scum members at least. If that's true I'd be willing to bet on lalendra the most out of his call outs.

I was starting to think you could actually read me tchill

thats the point. not only does flavor and hopkirk SR you but I do as well.

*shrug*
It is what it is. You're all wrong together.

[JarJarDrinks]

Here's where I'm at:

Very Town:

Hopkirk, Ausuka, Tchill13, Kublai Khan

Town:

TehBrawlGuy, Gamma Emerald, Vaxkiller, Golden Robster, Texcat, PenguinPower, Frozen Angel

Slight Town:

tPine, Wavemode

Leaning Scum:

Myloninja13, Ankamius

Scum:

Lalendra, Dunnstral, Creature, Scioness Sajj

[Lalendra]

Are there only two scum? Because it seems to me I have one more to find.

that was my point. you said were too busy looking for scum to defend yourself/. Wondering when the scumhunting was gonna start?

Wait Lalendra you seriously expect only 4 scum?

I indicated in that post that I expect 3 (Wheme confirmed, TBG suspected, one more to find). Do you think there are more than 4?

actually wtf how do you think 3 is every acceptable here
do you not realize you're in a 25p? Do you think this is a 13p?

I don't know enough about the math of games to know how many there normally are. 5 or 6 seems like way too many to me but I'll take your word for it.

[Lalendra]

Are there only two scum? Because it seems to me I have one more to find.

that was my point. you said were too busy looking for scum to defend yourself/. Wondering when the scumhunting was gonna start?

Do you have an actual question or are you just going to nitpick me to death?

Sure, thoughts on the leading wagons?

Lalendra(7) ~ Hopkirk(23), Ausuka(4), PenguinPower(23), Tchill13(43), Wavemode(3), JarJarDrinks(54), Ankamius(3)
- Wrong. I'm town. I'm starting to think Tchill might be the scum on my wagon, not sure about the rest. I really think JJD is town at this point, I'd like to think Wave is but I'm not good enough at setup spec to figure out the odds of that. Pretty certain PP is town as he was the counterwagon to Wheme. No idea about Ankamius or Ausuka, though Ausuka could be scum as well as she just seems ...off from the other games I've played with her.
Texcat(3) ~ Creature(63), Scioness Sajj(15), TehBrawlGuy(27)
- Pretty sure Tex is town based on the fact that TBG is my main scumread, and Sajj is another scumread.
Myloninja13(2) ~ Dunnstral(6), Texcat(9)
- I haven't been able to sort Mylo all game but if he's scum active lurking, I'm almost impressed.
Dunnstral(2) ~ Golden Robster(37), Myloninja13(6)
- I have waffled back and forth on Dunn but I'm not sure enough about scum!dunn to vote or engage there until TBG is lynched.
TehBrawlGuy(1) ~ Lalendra(9)
- SERIOUSLY HOW IS NO ONE ELSE VOTING HERE
Creature(1) ~ Kublai Khan(19)
- I really think Creature is town this game and so is KK.