Overkill 1: Serenity/Firefly (GAME OVER)

[Thor665]

I mean, if you think attacking something for the sake of attacking it is an issue...I think I just proved you're doing exactly that.
Self vote?

[Toranaga]

1 day and 20 pages?

Yeah - I'm skipping all of that.
Off of Page 1 I liked Elsa and Toranaga.
Is anyone in quickMjolnir range yet?

is this not making reads, thor?

[Toranaga]

You didn't answer my question of why you think I don't believe what I'm saying. You're successfully stating why you believe what you think about the quality of these pages - but I didn't ask that.

I don't think you believe what you're saying because you're intelligent

[Thor665]

1 day and 20 pages?

Yeah - I'm skipping all of that.
Off of Page 1 I liked Elsa and Toranaga.
Is anyone in quickMjolnir range yet?

is this not making reads, thor?

Yeah...are you trying to argue those are particularly valuable reads?

You didn't answer my question of why you think I don't believe what I'm saying. You're successfully stating why you believe what you think about the quality of these pages - but I didn't ask that.

I don't think you believe what you're saying because you're intelligent

Awesome, now you're just empty insulting me for my stance rather than answering my question functionally?
So, basically, you disagree with my stance, and I'm stupid for having it if I believe it - therefore I'm lying.
I have a new read on you now

[Reasonably Rational]

well it's not. there's a ton of information in this thread and some people are strong hitting their town metas so far from what I know of their games. you were making reads here yourself. I don't get your RVS comment, it's wrong and IDK what to make of it. feels like criticizing things for the sake of it.

There's a ton of info, but functionally mining it in a real way is pretty meaningless. It's trash until we get flips. To get flips we need deaths. Ergo - let's move on, or are you claiming we need more than 20 pages of info at this stage to get a flip? Do we need 40? 80? 7,543? All of them have "info" but at what point does town malaise and empty signals overcome the claimed "info" benefit?
I submit it's *WAY* earlier than you think it is.

I disagree that I'm making reads. I'm just trying to get people to say some things so I can make reads later.

You didn't answer my question of why you think I don't believe what I'm saying. You're successfully stating why you believe what you think about the quality of these pages - but I didn't ask that.

I agree with your conclusion here that functionally mining it is useless before flips. However, I maintain that D1 is actually the most important day when it comes to scum hunting, simply because all the positions being held can later be examined with the knowledge provided by flips, and with the least influence on them with regards to how past days have gone. I like large, productive D1's, that people look at on D5...because if you do that, and you've found some scum, you should be able to find the rest from just what was said on that day.

Town malaise sets in when there aren't a variety of different people actively posting and suggesting different courses. Until that happens, this is all valuable.

I'm confused by there only being 3 votes on me...I assume people not using proper vote tags?

With regards to your previous question about my top non-RVS case: I'll let my other head catch up and discuss things with him to see where he stands. His RC position is a valid one that I largely agree with. The logic used by Cheeky to push Toranaga resonates with me still, even if she's been assuaged. I do dislike Elsa's reasons for their votes. Nobody else has done anything that I view as scummy right now. I do need to reread, because as I said before I missed some things previously, so obviously I haven't been as diligent as I'd like.

-Cerb

[Toranaga]

20 pages of RVS is objectively untrue and taken by the fact you were drawing leans from page 1, you know this

I'm not insulting you. I'd be insulting you if I didn't take issue with you.

[Skygazer]

thor showed up and is doing thor things so that's cool

rr wagon is eh but im not a fan of drixx posting

tora posting is still town

[Thor665]

Then let's give someone that power;

Vote:Reasonably Rational

@Mod

20 pages of RVS is objectively untrue and taken by the fact you were drawing leans from page 1, you know this

I'm not insulting you. I'd be insulting you if I didn't take issue with you.

By this point you're now starting to debate a definition with me to take umbrage at my statement, yeah?
What if instead of saying RVS I'd said 'Day 1 blather'? Would your point still hold?
If your answer is no - what's your actual issue here?

With regards to your previous question about my top non-RVS case: I'll let my other head catch up and discuss things with him to see where he stands. His RC position is a valid one that I largely agree with. The logic used by Cheeky to push Toranaga resonates with me still, even if she's been assuaged. I do dislike Elsa's reasons for their votes. Nobody else has done anything that I view as scummy right now. I do need to reread, because as I said before I missed some things previously, so obviously I haven't been as diligent as I'd like.

-Cerb

Blerpity blerp - I'mma saying a lot of nothing here.

So your case is: I sorta agree with some other cases but I'm not caught up and neither is my other head (almost as though 20 pages of derp isn't helpful in a strange and mystical way that some sexy bearded person suggested but I needed to disagree with to try to pretend to look townish).

Got it

[Thor665]

Maybe it was lack of the space as he ctrl+F'd through the 20 pages of totally awesome and super good info?

Vote: Reasonably Rational

[ruru]

Vote:Reasonably Rational

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[Malakittens]

So quick run down:

I’m mobile posting at the moment.

Can we explain the wagon on RR?

Also not a big fan of sky or nico’s posting at the moment

[Toogeloo]

Vote Counter is broken anyways considering RR has 4 different Vote Lines.

Wagon on RR is simply, I voted them because I didn't like their posting and then the lemming festival kinda walked on through as they moved off their last vanity wagon.

[Elsa Jay]

apparently nobody likes to use the vote tag to vote.

compared too all the votes, he SHOULD be at L-3 or something.

[Reasonably Rational]

So quick run down:

I’m mobile posting at the moment.

Can we explain the wagon on RR?

Also not a big fan of sky or nico’s posting at the moment

@Random: There isn't one, there's been a practice in this game of wagoning people for pressure/reactions; this is much the same as far as strength of content to support the stance.

Just unfortunate that it occurred over night and now I'm at work and can't spend the time to really accomplish anything. *shrug*

-Cerb

if thats the case on RR it really doesnt seem solid in anyway at all
i'm after a convincing argument for rr being scum basically. linking to a post where it was previously explained is fine.

All I know is that I have a vague non-case on him. I'm sorting people by PoE. It's how I usually approach day 1.

He was part of what I consider a conversation that was far too long for imo measly returns. (Elsa discussion)

And now he is getting flashwagoned and I need to see him flip so I know if I'm looking for scum bussing or scum lynching town among the pool of his voters.

So for me it's not that I'm interested in lynching RR specifically, just more of an opportunity to progress the game in a guaranteed positive way.

Not all lynches are equal in their value. This is a pretty valuable lynch.

Pedit: that deserves its own post

@Mala: This is what is there. And yeah, Toog started it because he just didn't like my posting without any specific reasons given, and all the active posters at that moment sheeped.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

OH, and to clarify, the only reason actually given was BuJaber's, who isnt' actually *on* the wagon.

-Cerb

[Toogeloo]

For the record, I felt the over analysis of the Masonry claim felt forced, which is what gives me the scum vibe from your slot. Was getting that try hard mentality from your slot.

[Reasonably Rational]

For the record, I felt the over analysis of the Masonry claim felt forced, which is what gives me the scum vibe from your slot. Was getting that try hard mentality from your slot.

RIGHT! The tryhard thing, sorry for neglecting to mention it. It's something I chose to not respond to, because I decided there was no value in defending myself. :p

Now I just need to find time to do more than just keep up with the game and actually read the last 20 pages again.

-Cerb

[Toranaga]

Then let's give someone that power;

Vote:Reasonably Rational

@Mod

20 pages of RVS is objectively untrue and taken by the fact you were drawing leans from page 1, you know this

I'm not insulting you. I'd be insulting you if I didn't take issue with you.

By this point you're now starting to debate a definition with me to take umbrage at my statement, yeah?
What if instead of saying RVS I'd said 'Day 1 blather'? Would your point still hold?
If your answer is no - what's your actual issue here?

With regards to your previous question about my top non-RVS case: I'll let my other head catch up and discuss things with him to see where he stands. His RC position is a valid one that I largely agree with. The logic used by Cheeky to push Toranaga resonates with me still, even if she's been assuaged. I do dislike Elsa's reasons for their votes. Nobody else has done anything that I view as scummy right now. I do need to reread, because as I said before I missed some things previously, so obviously I haven't been as diligent as I'd like.

-Cerb

Blerpity blerp - I'mma saying a lot of nothing here.

So your case is: I sorta agree with some other cases but I'm not caught up and neither is my other head (almost as though 20 pages of derp isn't helpful in a strange and mystical way that some sexy bearded person suggested but I needed to disagree with to try to pretend to look townish).

Got it

d1 blather over RVS changes the meaning of what you said. I'd take no issue with it if you just want to end the gameday because it's too much posting that leads nowhere. I agree with this sentiment overrall, but not in this game. it's too early, people are showing their colours and 22 pages is definitely not a lot on a 17er.

[Reasonably Rational]

For the record, I felt the over analysis of the Masonry claim felt forced, which is what gives me the scum vibe from your slot. Was getting that try hard mentality from your slot.

Actually, there's a thread to pull here, just not solely about myself.

Do you think scum are more likely to try hard than town, or is this perspective limited to just my slot? What's the basis for this position either way? What's the difference between town analysis and scum tryharding? "Felt forced" is far too vague.

-Cerb

[Thor665]

Vote:Reasonably Rational

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[Reasonably Rational]

Then let's give someone that power;

Vote:Reasonably Rational

@Mod

20 pages of RVS is objectively untrue and taken by the fact you were drawing leans from page 1, you know this

I'm not insulting you. I'd be insulting you if I didn't take issue with you.

By this point you're now starting to debate a definition with me to take umbrage at my statement, yeah?
What if instead of saying RVS I'd said 'Day 1 blather'? Would your point still hold?
If your answer is no - what's your actual issue here?

With regards to your previous question about my top non-RVS case: I'll let my other head catch up and discuss things with him to see where he stands. His RC position is a valid one that I largely agree with. The logic used by Cheeky to push Toranaga resonates with me still, even if she's been assuaged. I do dislike Elsa's reasons for their votes. Nobody else has done anything that I view as scummy right now. I do need to reread, because as I said before I missed some things previously, so obviously I haven't been as diligent as I'd like.

-Cerb

Blerpity blerp - I'mma saying a lot of nothing here.

So your case is: I sorta agree with some other cases but I'm not caught up and neither is my other head (almost as though 20 pages of derp isn't helpful in a strange and mystical way that some sexy bearded person suggested but I needed to disagree with to try to pretend to look townish).

Got it

No.

I'm fully caught up. 100%. What I haven't done is read through the game hypercritically with the intent of finding suspicious behavior that doesn't immediately jump out at me. I've just been reading along and responding organically, as things come up and occur to me. I independently dislike the reasons Elsa gives for their votes. I agree with Cheeky's statement that I expect town!Toranaga to be vocal and aggressive and accidentally end up leading things. I agree with my other heads only stated position, that RC's early posting is reasonable for town!RC.

Did reiterating this help you understand at all?

-Cerb

[ruru]

votecount

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Reasonably Rational (7):	Toogeloo (449),	Toranaga (451),	CheekyTeeky (452),	the worst (462),	NicoRobin (473),	Elsa Jay (474),	Thor665 (544),
Flicker (2):	northsidegal (153),	RadiantCowbells (471),
Toranaga (1):	Reasonably Rational (363),
the worst (1):	Skygazer (380),
RadiantCowbells (1):	BuJaber (384),
BuJaber (1):	Flicker (497),
Not voting (4):	TPFKAP,	Chickadee,	randomidget,	Malakittens (90),

(expired on 2018-10-16 02:00:00) remain.

[Elsa Jay]

For the record, I felt the over analysis of the Masonry claim felt forced, which is what gives me the scum vibe from your slot. Was getting that try hard mentality from your slot.

Actually, there's a thread to pull here, just not solely about myself.

Do you think scum are more likely to try hard than town, or is this perspective limited to just my slot? What's the basis for this position either way? What's the difference between town analysis and scum tryharding? "Felt forced" is far too vague.

-Cerb

I feel like I should get your opinion on me in general, not just me deciding to be naive and believe the Masonry claim. What other things about me has pinged you?

P-Edit: well, my votes are definitely weird. I plead guilty on that front.

[Reasonably Rational]

For the record, I felt the over analysis of the Masonry claim felt forced, which is what gives me the scum vibe from your slot. Was getting that try hard mentality from your slot.

Actually, there's a thread to pull here, just not solely about myself.

Do you think scum are more likely to try hard than town, or is this perspective limited to just my slot? What's the basis for this position either way? What's the difference between town analysis and scum tryharding? "Felt forced" is far too vague.

-Cerb

I feel like I should get your opinion on me in general, not just me deciding to be naive and believe the Masonry claim. What other things about me has pinged you?

P-Edit: well, my votes are definitely weird. I plead guilty on that front.

*shrug* That's it. I haven't decided if it's scummy or not. You also haven't answered me about whether or not you always give a reason for votes you make.

-Cerb

[Toranaga]

VOTE: malakittens

scummiest ISO in the game imo