Excalibur [Endgame]

[MariaR]

THE ONLY TIME SCUM!LLD DUELS MARIA HERE IS IF MARIA IS ALSO SCUM. YALL KNOW I LOVE TO BUS, SO I'M BUSSING HERE. LET'S FUCKING GO CHOO CHOO

this was literaly my first though after i thought that this gladiate made no sense lol

Then there's literally only one play.

If I'm scum, Maria must also be scum.

If that is the case, I'm a dead woman walking for the rest of the game anyway, even if Maria flips scum I get no town cred from it.

Which means the only sensible play is to lynch Maria, since I'll just die anyway.

Instead of falling into my trap and giving Maria town cred

AWWWW I GET THE PLAN. I'm flattered LLD is scared of town me so she wants people to think we're buddies when she dies to get rid of town me. Aw lld I'm honored ty for choosing me this is really cute

[Firebringer]

i guess it would be harder to lynch maria tomorrow though.
but it would also be a pain to lynch u tomorrow if maria did flip scum.

i kind of don't think ur a team though.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

THE ONLY TIME SCUM!LLD DUELS MARIA HERE IS IF MARIA IS ALSO SCUM. YALL KNOW I LOVE TO BUS, SO I'M BUSSING HERE. LET'S FUCKING GO CHOO CHOO

this was literaly my first though after i thought that this gladiate made no sense lol

I would prob allow this tbh but not D1 if me and lld were scum

And this would explain her outrage right~?

she's barely containing her anger she got gladiated Firebringer.

Now maybe that's ebcause I'm town and she's scum and thoguht she had me easier than this.

Or maybe it's because we're both scum and she thinks I fucked up by trying a weird distancing/bus play that won't work~

Come on Firebringer it's obvious, no matter my alignment, she's scum~~~~~

[DVa]

You're lucky my morals don't let me game throw, because it's posts like this that make me want to just vote for myself and refuse to give any reads or even try for town.

So if you're scum good job on demoralizing me. If you're town, good job on potentially ruining any value this lynch has.

still hard to find phoenix gifs that quite capture the tone here tho

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i guess it would be harder to lynch maria tomorrow though.
but it would also be a pain to lynch u tomorrow if maria did flip scum.

i kind of don't think ur a team though.

The truth is we aren't.

But if I was scum it's the only reason I'd duel Maria.

So that's the situation you're in.

[Firebringer]

i am not sure either of u are scum.
also not sure why ur in this hole where ur so sure of ur read.

[Elsa Jay]

Your avi is a red bird so closest I can think of is like a red bird pokemon but having a hard time finding good gifs for them

maybe moltres?

It looks like something in Okami, or a similar style. It's very pretty,

It is very Vermillion Bird.

Zooming in the first time, I felt like it almost had words in it. Very cool affect. Glad the Phoenix gets love, it's the best type of bird. Id Say favorite mythical creature, but Kitsunes anf Dragons are 1 and 2. Its a good 3rd though,

[MariaR]

THE ONLY TIME SCUM!LLD DUELS MARIA HERE IS IF MARIA IS ALSO SCUM. YALL KNOW I LOVE TO BUS, SO I'M BUSSING HERE. LET'S FUCKING GO CHOO CHOO

this was literaly my first though after i thought that this gladiate made no sense lol

I would prob allow this tbh but not D1 if me and lld were scum

And this would explain her outrage right~?

she's barely containing her anger she got gladiated Firebringer.

Now maybe that's ebcause I'm town and she's scum and thoguht she had me easier than this.

Or maybe it's because we're both scum and she thinks I fucked up by trying a weird distancing/bus play that won't work~

Come on Firebringer it's obvious, no matter my alignment, she's scum~~~~~

What outrage lovely? I'm pretty happy right now. If there was anyone I wanted to fight vs why not a good friend who I respect? What's more fun then that

[Firebringer]

VOTE: mariar

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I encourage people to think critically about Maria's motivations, her posting here and prior to the gladiate, how she's behaved this day, ISO her and really clear your mind and perspective to try and see the attack vector where she's scum.

If yoiu can't find it, fine, lynch me. The paranoia about me is just not worth it. After that, when I flip town, look at who I point at.

But seriously look at Maria. She's not town.

[Firebringer]

What outrage lovely? I'm pretty happy right now. If there was anyone I wanted to fight vs why not a good friend who I respect? What's more fun then that

LIAR DETECTOR HAS BROKEN SO HARD

[Elsa Jay]

The game is now in overdrive and interesting. My work for tonight is done. See you in the morning, guys.

[MariaR]

What outrage lovely? I'm pretty happy right now. If there was anyone I wanted to fight vs why not a good friend who I respect? What's more fun then that

LIAR DETECTOR HAS BROKEN SO HARD

I'm offended you think I'm lying about this tbh

[Gamma Emerald]

Your avi is a red bird so closest I can think of is like a red bird pokemon but having a hard time finding good gifs for them

maybe moltres?

It looks like something in Okami, or a similar style. It's very pretty,

It is very Vermillion Bird.

Ver Million Bird?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Your avi is a red bird so closest I can think of is like a red bird pokemon but having a hard time finding good gifs for them

maybe moltres?

It looks like something in Okami, or a similar style. It's very pretty,

It is very Vermillion Bird.

Zooming in the first time, I felt like it almost had words in it. Very cool affect. Glad the Phoenix gets love, it's the best type of bird. Id Say favorite mythical creature, but Kitsunes anf Dragons are 1 and 2. Its a good 3rd though,

Phoenixes are very... me. They're my favourite thing. I love fire, I love birds, I love strong birds of prey... it all kind of works out. It's a good symbol for me.

[Firebringer]

What outrage lovely? I'm pretty happy right now. If there was anyone I wanted to fight vs why not a good friend who I respect? What's more fun then that

LIAR DETECTOR HAS BROKEN SO HARD

I'm offended you think I'm lying about this tbh

i thought you might say this in response but i think u over played that post.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Your avi is a red bird so closest I can think of is like a red bird pokemon but having a hard time finding good gifs for them

maybe moltres?

It looks like something in Okami, or a similar style. It's very pretty,

It is very Vermillion Bird.

Ver Million Bird?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermilion_Bird

[Untrod Tripod]

I guess my problem is that LLD makes this play as either alignment and I'm having a hard time discerning Maria's alignment

My gut says scum maria but I dont know why. LLD can you sell me on it plz. Something other than "read her"

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah I’m thinking this “LLD would or wouldn’t win in X scenario and that’s why she’s scum/town for this” arguments are lame, I’d rather just read her

[MariaR]

What outrage lovely? I'm pretty happy right now. If there was anyone I wanted to fight vs why not a good friend who I respect? What's more fun then that

LIAR DETECTOR HAS BROKEN SO HARD

I'm offended you think I'm lying about this tbh

i thought you might say this in response but i think u over played that post.

I have no reason to fake my emotions because you know people don't read me on it anyway. Why would I hide what I'm genuinely feeling?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If I had my way right now:
Smart/LLD would be dueling
winner goes for the sword along with Dva or UT.

Does this mean you're scumreading me Maria?

I could see you flipping scum yes but I would rather see you go for the sword then dual.

I find it interesting you want me to duel day 1. I think that seems strictly suboptimal, don't you?

I think you're going to be pushed regardless if you're scum or not. If you win the dual you go for the sword. If you flip people lose the excuse of pushing you.

And this was really weird coming from you - she's going to be pushed so might as well lynch her anyway? What? There's NO WAY you're actually thinking like this... Like I know there's not

Ok, so for starters here's someone who knows Maria very well saying that her behaviour doesn't match her norm, and it doesn't. Maria has been doing this weird "I want LLD to have the sword" and "I will vote LLD to die" thing and this is the culmination of it.

[DVa]

BTW Maria are you feeling better now? You were sick for a bit right?

[MariaR]

BTW Maria are you feeling better now? You were sick for a bit right?

Aw yes thank you so much for asking. I was throwing up a bit ago I'm all better now. Never gonna go to the new fast food place again

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If I had my way right now:
Smart/LLD would be dueling
winner goes for the sword along with Dva or UT.

Does this mean you're scumreading me Maria?

I could see you flipping scum yes but I would rather see you go for the sword then dual.

I find it interesting you want me to duel day 1. I think that seems strictly suboptimal, don't you?

I think you're going to be pushed regardless if you're scum or not. If you win the dual you go for the sword. If you flip people lose the excuse of pushing you.

This is a bad idea on Day 1 though. With no associatives, if you put me in a duel day 1 it will become about me and not the opponent. It will be a vote on whether people believe I am scum or I am town... in the best case. In the worst case it will be 1) scum finding an excuse to vote for me 2) people deciding that they have little else to go off of and voting for me from Paranoia.

The fact is putting me to duel on day 1 gives town the least possible information. The duel should be between a scummy person and a lurk fuck forcing people to take a stand. We want all of our gladiates to make scum make a choice and create as many associatives as possible.

If I don't have the sword tomorrow, I'm going to be dueling who I think is scum very likely. Simply because then my reads will have matured a little, day 2 votes have a lot less for people to hide behind in terms of reasoning, and it makes people take an actual stand on my alignment instead of playing the Mastina game of "well she could be scum but I dunno" until the cows come home.

No one on the list of big personalities should be dueling people day 1. It's too galvanizing. Force of personality, in one direction or the other, will be a huge confounding factor and ruin too many connections.

Short answer before I get on my computer. You're right but I'll explain more later

Beyond this post, Maria never again acknowledges that it would be bad for me to duel day 1, despite agreeing with me here.

This includes when she was prompted to comment on a possible Elsa v. LLD duel. No mention of it being a bad pairing or trying to stop it, just saying she thinks Elsa hasn't done anything scummy (stopping short of calling her town, which is a very very scummy thing to do because it betrays Maria knows Elsa v. Me is TvT and wanted to lynch me, and then use my flip to lynch Elsa). If Maria were town, she'd have brought it up and pushed for something else.

But she was content to let it happen because it favoured scum heavily.

[MariaR]

If I had my way right now:
Smart/LLD would be dueling
winner goes for the sword along with Dva or UT.

Does this mean you're scumreading me Maria?

I could see you flipping scum yes but I would rather see you go for the sword then dual.

I find it interesting you want me to duel day 1. I think that seems strictly suboptimal, don't you?

I think you're going to be pushed regardless if you're scum or not. If you win the dual you go for the sword. If you flip people lose the excuse of pushing you.

And this was really weird coming from you - she's going to be pushed so might as well lynch her anyway? What? There's NO WAY you're actually thinking like this... Like I know there's not

Ok, so for starters here's someone who knows Maria very well saying that her behaviour doesn't match her norm, and it doesn't. Maria has been doing this weird "I want LLD to have the sword" and "I will vote LLD to die" thing and this is the culmination of it.

Dunn's been wrong on me before. Don't take his word for law although I don't know how this is "weird coming from me" given he gave no context on why that was weird from me. I don't get the point you're trying to make here
Pedit: LLD I get you're scum pushing me and stuff but I didn't answer because I was puking my guts out. Period