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Post Post #525 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 6:11 am

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In post 522, Vedith wrote:Shutting down a PT as town would mean that Scum don't have a night PT and need to rely on the dance to join together. But if that was the case then it's way too over powered as a town role as Scum would be inclined to do this.
I couldn't see anything about PT Scum night in setup either.

Another reason why I don't think this is a town power, this setup is Scum sided.
Having the ability of having 2 lovers who can't communicate is so good for them. If 2 town people end up reading each other as town then they are basically masons with the possibility of powers. This would be the Scum counter to this.

Wait, the OP doesn't say anything about scum PT?
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Post Post #526 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 6:13 am

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I remember someone talking about scum PT earlier, so when I have time I'll read through that again

If there is nothing said about scum PT in the OP that's a minefield of information
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Post Post #527 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 6:14 am

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In post 525, Eragon wrote:Wait, the OP doesn't say anything about scum PT?
I can't see it in any of the first posts, but I am on mobile.
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Post Post #528 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 6:17 am

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In post 369, mcqueen wrote:
In post 131, Eragon wrote:im trying to figure out good applications for the dance system.

Option 1:
Spoiler: scum with scum and town alone
We force the scummiest players in the game to dance with another scummy player, so if we decided to lynch we can get 2 birds with 1 stone, or get them killed at night if there would be any town killing roles.
The towniest players wouldn't dance with anyone, to prevent other people from dying if they are killed. I have another option for this but will be option 2.

Basically this option increases the kill potential for town, and could solve the game faster and kill more scum


im not a
huge
fan of this option because i feel it could go wrong too easily

Option 2:
Spoiler: scum with town
The towniest players in the game dance with the scummiest players in the game, on some sort of like list thingy. We can choose to lynch the scummiest player, and then the towniest player dances with the second scummiest player, and so on and so forth.
So if scum want to kill the towny players, they either have to get rid of mislynch opportunities or sacrifice scum

Basically this option is good for PoE. It preserves the life of the towniest players by making it risky for scum to kill them, and later-game we will have townier players alive to help solve


I like this option a lot better
Option 3:
Spoiler: Dance willy-nilly
Literally just for fun and say "F*** you* to the game

this option is for fun and being able to have PT's with people you like


its ok
Alright, @top;

Game mechanics says all game-related threads remain open at all times, save for this thread (due to Night phases). This means scum have daytalk and can communicate at all times.

Therefore, scum have no reason to dance with one another. And I think they’ll go to lengths to prevent it, because they do become Lovers for that Day and Night. I find it interesting that they
aren’t
Lovers after that, only Neighbors.
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Post Post #529 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 6:19 am

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But it doesn't mean they have it. It also makes TGP 100% useless as a town power and even anti town.
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Post Post #530 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 6:21 am

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In post 529, Vedith wrote:But it doesn't mean they have it. It also makes TGP 100% useless as a town power and even anti town.
That’s why I think that was a slip and that McQueen is scum
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Post Post #531 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 6:22 am

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Game related threads could mean a range of things.
Although I suspect that Scum have a PT it doesn't mean it's set in stone.
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Post Post #532 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 6:25 am

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In post 530, Eragon wrote:
In post 529, Vedith wrote:But it doesn't mean they have it. It also makes TGP 100% useless as a town power and even anti town.
That’s why I think that was a slip and that McQueen is scum
Very plausible on a slip. I would arugue it's more NAI as it could easily be assumed but I don't like the catch up as promised. It was more or less liked to get the catch up promised and even then it was questions with no follow up or progression .
I'll post with details once on PC.
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Post Post #533 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 6:32 am

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In post 498, TheGoldenParadox wrote:
STOP VOTING ME
Vote no lynch if you have to but don't vote me. As this game is plularity I have to claim.
I AM THE DANCEMASTER. I CAN READ ALL DANCE PTS and HAVE THE ABILITY TO SHUT ONE DOWN DURING THE COURSE OF THE GAME. You can debate about this tomorrow, but TODAY it makes literally no sense to lynch a powerful town pr, ESPECIALLY considering the fact that if this role was given to scum it would be the most powerful ever. You can verify my claim when a pt is created. DON'T lynch me. I know I might get NKed, but it's better than a basically inno child getting lynched. Also the reason I reejcted the dance offer.
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Post Post #534 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 6:33 am

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In post 532, Vedith wrote:
In post 530, Eragon wrote:
In post 529, Vedith wrote:But it doesn't mean they have it. It also makes TGP 100% useless as a town power and even anti town.
That’s why I think that was a slip and that McQueen is scum
Very plausible on a slip. I would arugue it's more NAI as it could easily be assumed but I don't like the catch up as promised. It was more or less liked to get the catch up promised and even then it was questions with no follow up or progression .
I'll post with details once on PC.

it could be assumed they have one if its supposed scumsided. though it does feel like a wifom titanic
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Post Post #535 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 6:40 am

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In post 534, EeveeLution Army wrote:it could be assumed they have one if its supposed scumsided. though it does feel like a wifom titanic
My point. But McQueen still looks worse than good overall.
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Post Post #536 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 6:52 am

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In post 522, Vedith wrote:Shutting down a PT as town would mean that Scum don't have a night PT and need to rely on the dance to join together. But if that was the case then it's way too over powered as a town role as Scum would be inclined to do this.
I couldn't see anything about PT Scum night in setup either.

Another reason why I don't think this is a town power, this setup is Scum sided.
Having the ability of having 2 lovers who can't communicate is so good for them. If 2 town people end up reading each other as town then they are basically masons with the possibility of powers. This would be the Scum counter to this.
Hmm.. 1st paragraph: I didn't know scum don't have a scum PT! :eek:
2nd paragraph: I forgot mastina said the game was scum sided

Comment: 1st paragraph is shady. I went back and reread (actually skimmed) the mechanics and still don't see where it says scum don't have a PT.
2nd paragraph is a strong argument, so I no longer no what to do. Should we lynch TGP still? Should we lynch me (I dunno what info you get from it if you all agree I am town but should be lynched anyway)? Should we no lynch?

I was opposed to NL because who voted whom for what reason is good info. If we agree to let TGP live based on his claim there is no info to be gained from my lynch regardless of my alignment, since both Town and Scum will be voting me anyway. I suggest those who SR me vote me and those who don't switch to NL. That is the ONLY way my lynch could be informative, IMHO.
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Post Post #537 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 6:56 am

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In post 536, AP wrote:I went back and reread (actually skimmed) the mechanics and still don't see where it says scum don't have a PT.
I never said it says that they don't have a PT. I said it doesn't say that they do.
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Post Post #538 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 6:57 am

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In post 536, AP wrote:I was opposed to NL because who voted whom for what reason is good info. If we agree to let TGP live based on his claim there is no info to be gained from my lynch regardless of my alignment, since both Town and Scum will be voting me anyway. I suggest those who SR me vote me and those who don't switch to NL. That is the ONLY way my lynch could be informative, IMHO.
Also this is a terrible thing to say. You get 3 :down: :down: :down:
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Post Post #539 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 7:02 am

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In post 492, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 372, TheGoldenParadox wrote: I see her "working hard", and her posts are good. But there's no town motivation in them. She doesn't seem like she's trying to scumhunt - she seems like "hey, look, I'm town!" by posting a ton of content, maybe, but look at her posts. The intent of those posts is not to scumhunt. The intent of those posts is not to help town find scum, because in that bod of posts, there is a air of knowing, being informed, of whom town is. That's the vibe I'm getting.
I reaIIy d0n’t kn0w h0w t0 resp0nd t0 that
Can y0u at Ieast qu0te my p0sts? Which p0sts made y0u feeI my pushes were insincere?
And if y0u think s0me were TMI, it w0uId be w0rth qu0ting them as weII
Y0u’re basicaIIy saying that “I’m scum because I’m faking my reads and I kn0w wh0 the t0wnies are”, which is a statement 0n a n0n-pers0naI IeveI
Just eIab0rate 0n it pIease
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Post Post #540 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 7:02 am

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In post 493, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 372, TheGoldenParadox wrote:But none of this matters NOW, for the simple reason that...
AP offered to dance with me, and RIGHT NOW I hate that. So... no. I can't see the town motivation in that. That is blind sheeping. No.
Reject Dance

VOTE: AP
And what made y0u think sheeping was s0 incredibIy scum-indicative here?
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Post Post #541 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 7:03 am

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sorry i hope i wasnt replaced. busy weekend.
How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.
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Post Post #542 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 7:04 am

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In post 503, BNL wrote:
Votecount 1-10 (10)
TheGoldenParadox - 4 (Vedith, Darkwing Duck, mcqueen, EeveeLution Army)

AP - 2 (Aronis, TheGoldenParadox)


Not Voting - 7 (Slaxx, Kokichi Oma, redtea, LabRat01, Eragon, Moment, AP)

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Deadline: Sunday, February 3rd, @ 6:45 pm PST: (expired on 2019-02-03 22:44:33).

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How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.
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Post Post #543 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 7:05 am

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In post 494, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 378, TheGoldenParadox wrote:To respond to vedith - I'm not sure how my vote and post was terrible outside of you chainsaw defending Lab. Clearly the second I voted lab you jumped on me and scumread it while he townread it, so i'm visualizing a possibility of a lab/ved/? scumteam - it makes sense as they did seem to spam up the thread together and vedith seems to be hard attacking me for a vote.
That p0st gives me reaIIy weird vibes (ಠ ∩ಠ)
feeIs Iike a pureIy defIective SR and d0esn’t even make that much sense either

Y0u seem t0 have a rather negative read 0n Ved, s0 d0es it mean that y0u didn’t Iike his p0sts 0r is it based s0IeIy 0n the interacti0ns with me? If it’s the f0rmer, why didn’t y0u say anything ab0ut him bef0re?
And if y0u feeI that we’re a team, d0es that mean y0ure c0nfident in me/ved/AP being the s0Ive?
I d0n't reaIIy understand y0ur pr0gressi0n here
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Post Post #544 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 7:06 am

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day is gonna end soon so.

VOTE: TheGoldenParadox
How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.
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Post Post #545 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 7:08 am

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So more on McQueen.

says back from V/LA
Asking if me and Moment are SvS, response given in but no follow up from McQueen. No trying to post for information or to be helpful, instead just posting as as "catch up"

I call out the 2 posts of stating information or work carried out. responds pretty quickly.

Calls everyone town on page 5, but can see LabRat as tryharding scum, doesn't give reasons. It's a worthless post and means nothing.

Questioned to why, and responds with using another generic and worthless comment. The reason being this has been used enough as reason for the game, even more so during this point of the game when we actually mention it all.

/ - Worthless posts with no follow up possibility and no catch up.
- Addresses that the ISO is bad, probably because I already poked at it so trying to cover themselves.

/ [/post]444[/post] / / - More worthless and non catch up posts.

I think you can see where I'm going with this.
I just wanted to clear this up about McQueen.
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Post Post #546 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 7:09 am

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In post 544, Kokichi Oma wrote:day is gonna end soon so.

VOTE: TheGoldenParadox
That's the spirit! \o/
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Post Post #547 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 7:13 am

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In post 2, mastina wrote:
Game Mechanics
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Let's Dance
  • This game is explicitly a
    10
    :
    3
    Town
    :
    Mafia
    game.
  • This game features no investigatives or protectives (other roles are fair game).
  • All game topics (except the gamethread) remain open at all times.
  • This game wasn't reviewed, and is undoubtedly theoretically scumsided.
  • This is a Blitz Game
    .
    • Day Deadlines are
      4 days/96 hours
      .
    • Night Deadlines are
      1.5 days/36 hours
      .
    • Prods are
      36 hours
      .
    • Replacements are
      12 hours
      .
    • V/LA gives some leniency, but excessive V/LA will still warrant replacement.
    • If all slots don't post during a day, too bad!
    • If a slot needs replacement, clock still ticks!
  • ONCE in the game, if a majority of players ask, an extra
    24 hours
    will be given for the
    current phase
    (beit day or night).
  • Plurality lynch mechanics still apply.

  • However,
    PLAYERS MAY VOTE FOR A NO-LYNCH AT ANY TIME.

  • This game features a
    Dance Mechanic
    :
    • During the day, players may bold, "
      Dance with Playername
      ".
    • The player must either
      accept
      or
      reject
      the dance.
    • A player may only be involved with one dance per day, regardless of whether they are offering/rejecting/accepting/got rejected.
    • If a player
      accepts
      a dance, then the two players involved will become lovers for the duration of that day phase, and the immediately following night (e.g. D1+N1). They will gain a
      permanent
      private topic together. (This is also referred to as
      pairing up
      .)
    • If a player
      rejects
      a dance, no further dance offers may be made; any pending dance offers are null-and-void. The only valid votes become the player who offered the dance, the player who rejected the dance, and
      No Lynch
      . Votes on these three will not reset; all other votes will move to Not Voting. (This is also referred to as a
      duel
      .)
    • Due to the above, dance offers are "first come, first serve". Two people can't offer to dance with the same individual; an individual can't offer to dance with someone else if they were asked to dance; an individual can't be asked to dance if they already made a dance offer.
  • Once in the game, a
    Danceoff
    may occur:
    • To initiate a danceoff,
      every
      living player must be paired up with a dance partner (e.g. 12 alive, 6 pairs of dancers; 10 alive, 5 pairs of dancers). Duels do
      not
      count as being partnered up.
    • For the duration these conditions are met, at any point during the day phase, a dance pair may challenge a different dance pair to a danceoff.
    • Both members of the dance pair must challenge the same dance pair.
    • Both members of the challenged dance pair must accept the challenge.
    • If a danceoff is successfully declared (that is, all four consent), 24 hours are automatically added to the Day's deadline; all votes are reset; votes must be for "PAIR (Players)", "PAIR (Other Players)", or "No Lynch".
    • Regardless of lynching the challenging pair, the accepting pair, or neither pair, the gamethread will remain open for the duration of that night phase.

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“All game topics (except the gamethread) remain open at all times.”

Which includes all Neighborhoods and scum PT. But yeah, keep trying to create a false narrative that I slipped.
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Post Post #548 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 7:13 am

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Let’s make it clear, I have almost no experience with closed games / games with a lot of PRs and my very first reaction to the claim was to immediately believe it
I kinda facepalmed myself when I realized that it’s not necessarily the case here

Tbh I don’t know what to do
I played like, maybe 2 closed games in my life in total and I feel that my experience with dealing with claims is close to 0
Tbh I joined this game because I thought it was mountaineous, lol
So I’ll skip the talk about mechanics and just try to read you on my own
If it’s dumb, then well, uh, sorry

Anyways, I’d really like those posts answered
I didn’t really write them just to forget about it later
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Post Post #549 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 7:15 am

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yea no where does it say anything about scum PT

it just says all threads as a blanket

so jumping straight to the fact that scum has a day PT(!)
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