Mini 2074: Madness at Port Arthur (Game Over)

[Irrelephant11]

No claims aside from the one you quoted, fake claims from the dead, and Chara receiving fruit

I’m not very good at leaving the thread apparently

[Chara]

me neither! we have it in common.

[Succinct]

Why did you vote skitter over me?

Because skitter was where Chara/Irrelephant actually voted.

No claims aside from the one you quoted, fake claims from the dead, and Chara receiving fruit

Summary of events would help though.

[RCEnigma]

Disappointed you guys tried to lynch FL.

[Chara]

when did that happen?

[Irrelephant11]

No really important events aside from voting patterns which are mostly well-documented by votecounts
If you need specific reads on specific slots ask for em, otherwise I’ll assume you’re gonna gather that info by rereading

A summary of D1 would probably be: not much happened till Smile started playing scummy near deadline and I led a lynch on them. Their pushes in retrospect spewed me/persivul/insomnia/tris/fuscezu as probably town
Obviously there’s lots of little things to analyze but no big moments stand out in my memory

[RCEnigma]

If it wasn't for the fact that anyone would kill FL I'd say it looks bad on Skitter knowing how FL and I would find each other as town. But yeah, I still think she would have had better pushes day 1 as scum.

[tris]

Wow. I townread skitter, but I should go over her ISO to remind myself why.

VOTE: Succinct

[skitter30]

hi
i'm kinda v/la unitl monday (sister's college graduation is tom + my parents are here) but i'll try very hard to be here before then if i can

[skitter30]

I'm kinda fine with a Clarity lynch because I agree with skitter's points about her meta. Otoh, her response that she'd be doing better if she has experienced partners rings sorta true, but there's situations where scum might bus her early or something so that's not exactly a clearing reason.
Can't shake the feeling Smile is a good lynch and skitter's avoiding it, though

i'm having a ridiculously hard time forming a read on them and would prefer to lynch someone i actually, like, scumread

i'm also not super happy that with five heads they're lurking

smile your vote is both bad and survivalistic given plurality and it's making me want to vote you

skitter going from this to trying to bus Smile after their lynch was already pretty inevitable is kind of bad. i also still hated skitter's tris push yesterday, and i still think tris is town.

when skitter started treating smile as confscum before they'd flipped, i'd thought skitter was scumreading them. but now that i'm fully caught up, skitter never supported the smile wagon until 913 here, but then after that seemed to be treating them as for sure flipping scum and making her reads accordingly.

nm i have a bit of time now (might have to leave before i finish catching up tho)

a) you're right, i didn't have a read on smile until that bad vote (which incidentally happened between the two posts you quoted); the vote was bad and survivalistic. and then at eod their reaction to irrel was atrocious and it was pretty apparent they were flipping scum. i did not scumread them before 913. i didn't really have a read on them at all before that; i was having a lot of trouble reading them as a 5-headed hydra and it fucked with how i form reads

(namely, i form reads usually by trying to figure out if a person's behavior is more likely to come from town or scum them. if i've played with them before i use meta, if i haven't i try to base it on their personality based on what i'm seeing in game. 5 players on an anonymous hydra kinda fucked with my ability to do that because i couldn't get a good sense of what a given head's playstyle/personality looked like)

b) i bus and distance better than this, thank you; if i were partners with him i wouldn't have a half-assed distancing like this, knowing that i'd like bad if he flipped, esp. since he was just a goon. i know that in most scumteams i need to set myself to go for endgame if i want to win - and when i knwo what people are going to flip it's pretty easy to make myself look good afterwards.

c) i'm not convinced that tris is town

[skitter30]

Chara/Smile isn’t entirely clearing aside form Chara’s vote but I townread them anyway

i think the vote is pretty clearing actually

why is succint in your pool? just poe?

[skitter30]

This is weird for S/S

i think tha'ts fakeable for me but eh

[skitter30]

Smile wanted insomnia/tris/fuscezu lynched
All three participated in catching Smile dead
If one of those three is scum they planned a bus from real early on

smile's vote on fucezu wasn't svs imo
i don't think interactions with insomnia either
(i'm also townreading both of them independantly)

i have no memeory of their interactions with tris; let me check for a second
(aside as i'm skimming i'm seeing some svs of smile/clearly)

ok after skimming - they wanted tris lynched but never actually like .... pushed or voted their in a meaningful way? like they wanted to flip fucezu to indirectly sort tris and would revisit tris if fucezu flipped scum

If Fusc flipped scum, I think it would be worth revisiting tris.

but like ... they know fucezu's alignment and their vote on fucezu didn't feel svs at all; so like they're only setting themselves to go after tris *on the condition* that fucezu flips scum and the way they were itneracting with fucezu doesn't make me think that they thought he was going to - that doesn't read to me as seriously pushing tris or like really trying to lynch her; i don't view this push on her to be clearing

[skitter30]

i'm still unimpressed with skitter's tris scumread when i found tris to be very towny, and skitter's paranoia of me also didn't seem especially paranoid. this is weakened by my absence during day 1, however.

idk what do you want to talk about this here?

[skitter30]

i still think clearly is scummy; i haven't really reread either of smile's or clearly's iso's yet but what i remember there's some svs interactiosn there, including:

- clearly inexplicably townreading smile early game, and having smile at the top of their readslist
- smile had some soft defendign of clearly early game, and also defended her when i pushed her

[skitter30]

I’ll

also note that if Clarity is scum Chara is actually up there as a potential third

But associations with Smile alone aren’t enough for me to want Chara’s lynch yet

? i don't see this

[skitter30]

VOTE COUNT

7 of 13 votes are required to lynch.

Smile (3):

insomnia, tris, Chara

Fuscezu (3):

Brown Eyes, ClearlyClarity, Smile

ClearlyClarity (2):

skitter30, Irrelephant11

tris (1):

RCEnigma

RCEnigma (1):

Fuscezu

Irrelephant11 (1):

Flavor Leaf

Flavor Leaf (1):

Persivul

Not Voting (1):

ceejayvinoya

Deadline is in (expired on 2019-05-22 12:00:00)

smile your vote is both bad and survivalistic given plurality and it's making me want to vote you

i agreed with skitter when she said this. Smile didn't even towncase Clearly, they gave some reasons for her to be town and then said it wasn't that strong and could still be scum.
votecount is directly after Smile's Fuscezu vote. notice anything?

hwy did they hop on fucezu and not, say, clearly?

[skitter30]

p. sure chara v irrel is tvt

[skitter30]

VOTE: skitter

Respecting FL’s dying read

eh i have things to say in response to this that i can't really talk about rn

anything you want to talk to me about?

[skitter30]

You know what would be funny
If skitter/Clarity is the the team and Skitter was just trying to save the scum partner she thought she could go further with in Smile by bussing Clarity
That would be funny

Pedit: itt is “in the thread”

i actually would do that lol; it's pretty much the only way my interactiosn with smile would look the way the do if i were scum
(although i would've told him to distance with clearly too if i had wanted to go to endgame with smile and bus clearly)

[skitter30]

i forgot to say, i received a delicious fruit last night. thanks!

oh this was me btw

[skitter30]

VOTE: skitter

oh *do* tell

[skitter30]

VOTE: skitter

L-1

Can't read her, but sheeping Chara/Irrelephant until given better idea.

a) i was under the impression that you think you can read me
b) just going to point out that the utter lack of resistance to an l-1 wagon at this stage of the game is kinda suspicious

[skitter30]

you put someone at L-1 just for that?

As long as not hammering, I'd vote someone for it, yes. L-1's irrelevant. Were I two minutes faster to cast it (minutes I spent skimming skitter's iso), my vote would've been L-2.

a) what did you see after skimming my iso
b) i'm pretty sure irrel unvoted cuz you voted

[skitter30]

If it wasn't for the fact that anyone would kill FL I'd say it looks bad on Skitter knowing how FL and I would find each other as town. But yeah, I still think she would have had better pushes day 1 as scum.

i also don't think i would have killed fl there (hi, i'd know *exactly* how that would make me look today)