Newbie 1951 (Day 4)

[Menalque]

Unless you did during your 1v1 with urap that time?

[Menalque]

Anyway, yeah, my apologies for being kinda absent

There were quite a lot of posts in the night after my intent where skitt and teacher changed onto my wagon and most of my free time has been eaten up by this new job

This may sound like a prodge, bc it basically is

If I can, I’ll try to play tonight

[skitter30]

So far it's actually been kind of the same as this game. Random votes happen, then other things happen that I've never really been able to understand.

we can lynch this too

[skitter30]

if you care to help me @selynee @skitter @emps @nmsa @menalque please tell me why you are so strong on teacher being town because it doesn't make any sense to me.

as far as i'm aware, he's still sortable by post count

[skitter30]

teacher you haven't had any more scumgames since the last time i played with you, right? (the mini with scum!nomnom like a month and a half ago)

[skitter30]

just noting that the game has kinda stalled since menalque has gotten wagoned

[teacher]

teacher you haven't had any more scumgames since the last time i played with you, right? (the mini with scum!nomnom like a month and a half ago)

Nope, that was actually my last game. I was in three at the time and pretty burnt out.

[skitter30]

ya i'm doing the low-key burntout thing now too

[skitter30]

Votecount 1.5:

Menalque (3) -

NotMySpamAccount, teacher, skitter30

Farkran (2) -

Seleynee, emps,

Not voting (4) -

Sushi Martyr, Menalque, EpicCreeper9002, Farkran

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. The deadline is at 9am BST on the 28th August 2019. (expired on 2019-08-28 09:00:00)[/b]

again, not sure why this is stalling
i think the menalque wagon is p townie

[Menalque]

I find it weird that you’re as keen for this wagon as you are skitt

[Menalque]

It is kinda weird tho

I think it implies one of the SEs is scum, prob telling their partner to stay off me to keep it looking like it’s not building cause it’s all townie

Idk if you’d do that as scum? But trying to read you is a nightmare anyway

It’s like, everything is basically NAI

[Menalque]

Like I really wanted to TR skitt for 342 bc of this:

“i mean given ~past events~ i'm not entirely surprised this is the approach you'd take for reading me
i'm not sure it's ai; i can see town!you realizing you have no idea how to read me (although i'm not sure defaulting to a townread is the correct way to handle the situation), and i can see you doing this as scum as a way to just like not have to 'read' me”

Bc that’s bang on as analysis

But I can see it coming just as much from scum!skitt as town!skitt

Fundamentally tho, I don’t wanna lynch skitt today bc I am, despite reservations and lack of reading availing, townleabing her

[Menalque]

Also I partly put you as pre-empitve TR bc I wanted to play with you again

And I don’t think scum!me ever pushed you first day anyway, bc I’d rather take you through to lylo in a newbie game and then push you for being good as scum

[Menalque]

So taking skitt!town for now, that means good odds of scum in (NMSA, teacher) idk where I think it is yet

But I think that prob it’s only SEs who would tell a partner to stay off wagon to make it stall

And while it’s not really AI I think it’s marginally more likely that skitt doesn’t make herself the one to point it out if she’s scum?

I guess that emps might tho, and he’s been kinda pinging me for a while. So if I can get to a TR on teacher/NMSA that’s my best candidate

[Farkran]

Good morning again, everyone

And which ten w Menalque - you or creeper?

I think i have overlooked this question last night - are you implying either me or creeper could be menalque's partner? I'm not sure if i got the meaning of your post correctly - .

You didn’t. I was asking you to clarify your 508 - who the question was to and what the question was about.

Oh, i had already explained myself then - i don't leave my votes on when i can't be active for several hours, regardless of risk - i can always revote or hammer later if i wish to. I haven't revoted you because tunnelvisioning is bad more often than not, but i still can't see you as being town in this game. Willing to wait until further developments. I also don't see you as a partner candidate to either creeper or menalque.

I still see teacher is very eager to jump on trains and i don't like this at all.

Ummmmm ..... show work please?
I have voted four times.

• Menalque in RVS - first on wagon and left it there because I found them scummy
  
• Creeper - first on wagon again, so not jumping on train
  
• you - admittedly fourth on wagon, but immediately after pushing against as you yourself noted (hardly eager?)
  
• back to Menalque - only second on wagon, and a slot I’d already expressed suspicions of.

How is this more eager than Emps (a developing TL putting you at L-1), or Skit (you/Menalque)? More generally, how do you expect a lynch to happen without working with your townreads to find a mutually- agreeable lynch and form a wagon?

So far there have been only two trains and you jumped onto both, kinda early timewise and also votewise on menalque's. Skitter did the exact same but my townread on her is strongly superior. A teacher/skitter mafia team sounds unlikely after the recent developments but i won't rule out the possibility since you are both very aware of your respective playstyles and hardly get emotional about your choices - a trait that is way more common for scum rather than town - of course it also depends on the actual person attitude towards the game regardless of role, but trust me when i say i have angered even the most placid townies in the past. Emps is taking a cold shower i guess, i hope he comes back soon because i'd really really like to hear his standing on menalque.

[Farkran]

I'm trying to reread things by inverting my pov like "what would happen if teacher is actually town" and i find myself going deep down the sushi/selynee or sushi/menalque routes with a possibility of skitter/emps as an alternative.

However, Sushi/menalque is kinda reachy in my mind since i find it hard to believe there were exactly NO SCUM on my train and none of the two attempted to rush hammer me when i was at L-1. Creeper is also unlikely for the same reason. A teacher/menalque team is very unlikely.

On the other hand i'm trying to plan what the game would become should we flip menalque as town today. I'd speculate skitter probably dying tonight leaving us with a combination of sushi/teacher/creeper (in respective order of my scumread certainty, assuming the events go as i planned) as my gamesolve guesses. Feels like we'll be able to accomplish it by biting at teacher tomorrow. If menalque flips scum, well, gg.

So taking skitt!town for now, that means good odds of scum in (NMSA, teacher) idk where I think it is yet

But I think that prob it’s only SEs who would tell a partner to stay off wagon to make it stall

And while it’s not really AI I think it’s marginally more likely that skitt doesn’t make herself the one to point it out if she’s scum?

I guess that emps might tho, and he’s been kinda pinging me for a while. So if I can get to a TR on teacher/NMSA that’s my best candidate

Also kinda shaky defense here, menalque, i didn't really like it. Your post 310, following up 163 heavily contradicts your current claims.

VOTE: Menalque

I believe this is L-1

[teacher]

UNVOTE: Menalque

Spoiler: Farks Evolution

Menalque: town 60%

Most pro-town people at the moment are notmyspam, Menalque, possibly sushi.

menalque: still very trollish, offers decent analysis from time to time. Reasoning behind analysis is appropriate, so i'm at a loss here.

Looks strongly town PR to me

, although i find it hard to believe at this point.

Menalque: intent to hammer (the only other one willing to re-open conversation, townread increasing)

Menalque declared his intent after hours of silence, does not make sense as scum since he would have hammered, period.

@everyone i'm thinking that menalque would be a good information sacrifice so far

VOTE: Menalque

I legit do not get how the guy who wrote all the things in the spoiler, especially the PR spec, flips it up and votes Menalque WITHOUT EVER OFFERING A SCUMREAD. The best that has been offered is an information lynch.

That is hella survivalistic. Especially since their reads have not flipped. They still scumread me, and acknowledge that me-menalque cannot be a team. NO SENSE.

[teacher]

VOTE: Farkran

[Sushi Martyr]

I'm kind of here.

Rough readslist just to clarify where I'm at currently:

skitter
teacher
Farkran
NMSA (maybe? I don't have a lot to go on here, but the reaction test thing was good, and I think I'll trust teacher's meta for now)
emps
Menalque, Selynee
Creeper (at the bottom, but it's weak-- NMSA made a good point about his "reaction test" voting emps feeling off; his tone is awkward but I don't want to SR him off of that, as there are NAI reasons for awkwardness, and I think playing forum mafia where game days last a week plus when you're used to games that last much shorter might be one of them-- his reaction test thing was still weird though)

I think I need to go look over the pages that were mostly just emps, Fark, and teacher in more depth; I feel like I might have missed something there.

I wouldn't mind voting Menalque but I want him to explain his scumreads first.

pedit: I didn't even catch that progression; it may end up affecting my reads but I'm posting this now for posterity/reference

[teacher]

I think I'll trust teacher's meta for now)

FWIW, here's me (as Town Friendly Neighbor) saying the same thing about SPAM when he was in fact being lazier. Defending him as lazy town on entry then pushing him as a counter-wagon late

[teacher]

@Menalque, talk to me about Skit's Emps read. I could see that by scum!skit pocketing, but

I dont think by scum!skit on a partner?

Like that read opened me up to seeing the playfulness in Emps's posts (and yes, he can powerwolf) in a more safe/open/revealing manner because I thought it was confirming my inclination on emps' alignment regardless of skitters. But do you disagree with the underlined?

[emps]

How the fuck do you guys think fark town?

mena is way off his scum meta imo

[emps]

ugh im going to do some stuff now a bit tired rn tho

[emps]

Might have finally found a game I'm motivated to play. ahs anyone got experience with the new setup yet? selynee seems slightly scum, but not much. oh, and farkran is town I think. not sure tho.

huh
i'm actually feeling the exact opposite

wait what is this referring to? did you disagree with sely being scum, fark being town, or both?

[emps]

L-1?

VOTE: Farkran

Last words?

Lol, really? Ok.

I don't know if you were aware of your double vote, but hammer rushing is not just being aggressive, it's plain bandwagoning.

My town reading of you just went down to 40%

a) normally i would say that this sort of lacksadacksical response to the 'hammer' is kinda townie; i think scum are usually more survivalistic and would like freak out more here if they think they actually got hammered, but you're obviously p hyper-aware of the votes on you and knew you weren't hammered so i'm not sure this is a townie response in this context

isnt being hyper-aware of the votes on you scummy?
or is it NAI?