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Post Post #900 (ISO) » Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:05 am

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In post 899, Luca Blight wrote:If you notice, I’ve not had to pause to think amongst this barrage of questioning and accusation, and yet everything I’ve said has been fully supported and consistent with what I’ve said previously. How is this possible? Because I’m being honest with what I’m saying.
you are still scumclaiming
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Post Post #901 (ISO) » Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:06 am

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In post 351, Luca Blight wrote:This was on page 6:
In post 129, Datisi wrote:Slight preference to vote for Tchill over Luca, but neither are pinging me as scum yet.
So I wasn’t pinging her as scum and she preferred to Lynch Tchill, yet now she is saying I’ve been giving her bad vibes and she was waiting to see if I would change....
doesn’t quite add up
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In post 409, Luca Blight wrote:
In post 362, Datisi wrote:I realize that "devoid of life" was a wrong way to put it, and I apologize if I did come across as too harsh.
Spoiler: marked in red
In post 141, Luca Blight wrote:
I’m very busy this weekend but will try and catch-up every now and then.
In post 213, Luca Blight wrote:
Catching up presently.
In post 214, Luca Blight wrote:
Just reading up now...


As of the start of page 7, I'm feeling pretty good about Flippy, Klick and Billy. Iconeum seemed Townie based on his start,
but I may have to revisit that slot at some point
, Tchill's contribution at the end of page 6 seems decent.

Klick's is either townie or confident scum work. I'm leaning towards the former atm.
In post 215, Luca Blight wrote:Tchili mid page 8 is either showing genuine Townie emotion or is a skilled scum player - it reminds me of my own frustration in past games.

Just skimmed the last couple of pages - gonna get myself more comfortable for some deeper reading. Right now I'm not really scumreading any of the active players, which is pretty rare for me.
The only one that falls slightly below the null line is probably Datisi based on her content, or lack thereof. Hopefully we get some replacements in soon.

Gonna read back again now.
In post 218, Luca Blight wrote:I also agree with the 'trying to look Town' bit regarding the topic of whether we should use the full day or cut it short.

Also, as a side point, I never understand why, as a Townie, you would tell scum what you're looking out for (in this case, specifically the interactions between possible scum partners). This isn't necessarily AI in of itself as I see this kind of thing all the time, but it's just something I feel is counter-productive.
In post 224, Luca Blight wrote:Looking over Datisi's ISO - it's full of game theory chat and passive questioning - this is where my slightly below null read originates from. The only real point of interest is - Would scum do such a 'test'? Looking back at it, it felt a bit unnecessary of Datisi because Billy's answer to Klick's original question already provided the 'townslip'. I think I'm leaning towards this being an act from scum who are at a loss of what to do, so choose to do something that appears to be useful Town work, with the additional benefit of getting a Townie onside (which, if this scenario is accurate, would have been successful given Pilgrims TR of Datisi).

This is still very much a work in progress,
but my reads are something like this at the moment:

Tchill
Klick
Pilgrim, Icon, Flippy,
Datisi

Incidentally, Flippy's reaction to the same incident looked pretty genuine, which is why I've put him around the null level. I actually dislike such tests as it causes me to doubt myself; such reactions can look so effective, yet be so easily faked by a good player
In post 305, Luca Blight wrote:
In post 278, Almost50 wrote:
In post 54, Luca Blight wrote:So far getting positive vibes from Icon, Klick and Pilgrim. Somewhat negative vibe from Datisi.
care to expand a little bit with specifics? Cuz I honestly had no vibes at all from any of the posts I read so far (posts before this one I'm quoting)
I expanded on the Pilgrim vibes in . I felt positively about Icon early on mainly due to the fact he seemed to be posting without thinking too much
(I’m aware some players can do this as scum, but it’s a half-decent starting point)
. The vibes about Klick were mainly due to the ‘drunken’ posting.
Again, this could be a clever scum move but I felt it was more likely to come from a Townie.
In post 325, Luca Blight wrote:
Looking after my kid at the moment so hard for me to fully check back,
but I think I’ve covered most of the above already. I had a very slight townread on you based on the opening. By the time I made my catch-up post you hadn’t posted for like three days, nor had your ‘serious’ work at that point done much to give me a read on you either way, so I had you as null. Recently I’ve agreed with your points of view on Nippy (or rather you agreed with mine) and on Klick, plus I’ve seen some positive game advancing work from you, so I have you as a town-lean. I haven’t Iso’d you yet but that’s where i currently stand. The rest of your questions I believe I’ve covered already if you look back.


I've marked in red the parts that are pinging me. It simply seems as if he's trying to position himself in a "town-leadrer, voice of reason" position and to appear much more busy/credible than he is. Also note that these posts came after I nulled Luca.

pedit: as I said, I was willing to give him more time. I'm still not certain in this, but you've forced me to out my thoughts, so whatever.

pedit2: Billy and Emperor had single posts that pinged me more, and I was willing to jump on those to see what they mean. Luca has been slowly pinging me across the game.

It feels here like you’ve just zoomed in on the least important parts of my posts and disregarded all the necessary stuff. Do you have anything to say about the actual content of my work?
The 224 and 325 examples are particularly laughable for how you ignore all the actual information and highlight the only part that fits your narrative.
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Luca Blight wrote:And as I’ve said a hundred times, the conviction came after i had digested what had happened, not before.
Both of these posts happened after I laid out my case but before you voted for me. So i was your strangest SR (I was at the bottom of your list), I made a case on you which you call out as "not adding up" and "laughable".

But you weren't convinced enough to vote me?
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
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Post Post #902 (ISO) » Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:07 am

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strongest* SR. You get my point.
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
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Post Post #903 (ISO) » Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:07 am

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I'm not actually fucking with Luca
I think he just started to scumclaim over and over again
I can actually prove it too
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Post Post #904 (ISO) » Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:12 am

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Datisi, I’ve already explained how I was multi-tasking and wanted to have a chance to properly look over what had happened. If I had just gone straight ahead and acted without thinking it over (which isn’t my style) then that would probably have come to be held against me as well.
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Post Post #905 (ISO) » Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:13 am

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I would have a perfectly valid grounds to vote Datisi earlier, but there was literally no rush to make this move.
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Post Post #906 (ISO) » Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:15 am

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Would have had*
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Post Post #907 (ISO) » Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:20 am

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If I were scum i literally wouldn’t even try to play Mafia while multi-tasking; i would just have waited until I had time to think about what I was doing, to avoid a situation such as this.
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Post Post #908 (ISO) » Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:21 am

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Post Post #909 (ISO) » Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:23 am

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i will now read you your amanda rights
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Post Post #910 (ISO) » Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:23 am

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oh wait
its called Miranda
fuck I'm educated luuuuuuuuuuul
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Post Post #911 (ISO) » Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:23 am

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You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to an attorney. If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be provided for you. Do you understand the rights I have just read to you? With these rights in mind, do you wish to speak to me?
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Post Post #912 (ISO) » Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:27 am

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In post 889, Alisae wrote:Billy who else is scum and why if you don't think its icon sell me on something
I started typing out a reads list, then j realized I'm still mostly confused. I see how Icon doesn't look good in that interaction, but I've seen Icon play that style before and he was town. I like to look at voting behavior more than anything else personally.

A50, why did Luca's answers seem sufficient to you? Was it just the tone?
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Post Post #913 (ISO) » Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:28 am

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In post 912, Billy Pilgrim wrote:
In post 889, Alisae wrote:Billy who else is scum and why if you don't think its icon sell me on something
I started typing out a reads list, then j realized I'm still mostly confused. I see how Icon doesn't look good in that interaction, but I've seen Icon play that style before and he was town. I like to look at voting behavior more than anything else personally.

A50, why did Luca's answers seem sufficient to you? Was it just the tone?
okay lets talk voting behavoir
who sticks out?
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Post Post #914 (ISO) » Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:28 am

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Also, I love that Ali just called Miranda rights Amanda rights. I'm also amused that she basically put Luca under arrest. Is that a citizen's arrest?
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Post Post #915 (ISO) » Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:30 am

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In post 913, Alisae wrote:
In post 912, Billy Pilgrim wrote:
In post 889, Alisae wrote:Billy who else is scum and why if you don't think its icon sell me on something
I started typing out a reads list, then j realized I'm still mostly confused. I see how Icon doesn't look good in that interaction, but I've seen Icon play that style before and he was town. I like to look at voting behavior more than anything else personally.

A50, why did Luca's answers seem sufficient to you? Was it just the tone?
okay lets talk voting behavoir
who sticks out?
Unfortunately my work calendar just exploded, so before I do vote analysis, I need to be done at work and have the kids asleep. Probably 12 hours.
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Post Post #916 (ISO) » Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:30 am

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In post 914, Billy Pilgrim wrote:Also, I love that Ali just called Miranda rights Amanda rights. I'm also amused that she basically put Luca under arrest. Is that a citizen's arrest?
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Post Post #917 (ISO) » Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:30 am

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In post 915, Billy Pilgrim wrote:
In post 913, Alisae wrote:
In post 912, Billy Pilgrim wrote:
In post 889, Alisae wrote:Billy who else is scum and why if you don't think its icon sell me on something
I started typing out a reads list, then j realized I'm still mostly confused. I see how Icon doesn't look good in that interaction, but I've seen Icon play that style before and he was town. I like to look at voting behavior more than anything else personally.

A50, why did Luca's answers seem sufficient to you? Was it just the tone?
okay lets talk voting behavoir
who sticks out?
Unfortunately my work calendar just exploded, so before I do vote analysis, I need to be done at work and have the kids asleep. Probably 12 hours.
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Post Post #918 (ISO) » Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:34 am

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I really don’t get what difference it makes exactly when I made the vote; I have made my position on Datisi clear throughout. Delaying my vote wouldn’t have made a difference in terms of accountability.
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Post Post #919 (ISO) » Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:36 am

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> you think something isn't super lynchable
> people start voting it
> suddenly that said thing that wasn't super lynchable is now lynchable
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Post Post #920 (ISO) » Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:50 am

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I’ve just tried to be as transparently clear as I can possibly be here. I hate having to defend myself as i know self-defence can only go so far, but I feel like I’ve given a pretty valid explanation for how my Datisi read progressed.
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Post Post #921 (ISO) » Thu Aug 22, 2019 4:00 am

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In post 915, Billy Pilgrim wrote:
In post 913, Alisae wrote:
In post 912, Billy Pilgrim wrote:
In post 889, Alisae wrote:Billy who else is scum and why if you don't think its icon sell me on something
I started typing out a reads list, then j realized I'm still mostly confused. I see how Icon doesn't look good in that interaction, but I've seen Icon play that style before and he was town. I like to look at voting behavior more than anything else personally.

A50, why did Luca's answers seem sufficient to you? Was it just the tone?
okay lets talk voting behavoir
who sticks out?
Unfortunately my work calendar just exploded, so before I do vote analysis, I need to be done at work and have the kids asleep. Probably 12 hours.
You want to save your analysis until you have time to do it properly, just like I did, so surely you can relate to my situation after all.
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Post Post #922 (ISO) » Thu Aug 22, 2019 4:04 am

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In post 921, Luca Blight wrote:
In post 915, Billy Pilgrim wrote:
In post 913, Alisae wrote:
In post 912, Billy Pilgrim wrote:
In post 889, Alisae wrote:Billy who else is scum and why if you don't think its icon sell me on something
I started typing out a reads list, then j realized I'm still mostly confused. I see how Icon doesn't look good in that interaction, but I've seen Icon play that style before and he was town. I like to look at voting behavior more than anything else personally.

A50, why did Luca's answers seem sufficient to you? Was it just the tone?
okay lets talk voting behavoir
who sticks out?
Unfortunately my work calendar just exploded, so before I do vote analysis, I need to be done at work and have the kids asleep. Probably 12 hours.
You want to save your analysis until you have time to do it properly, just like I did, so surely you can relate to my situation after all.
Okay but thats literally different then typing
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Post Post #923 (ISO) » Thu Aug 22, 2019 4:06 am

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thats playing the game and posting content and analysis
if you see Datisi's Kop vote and at a first glance go "this vote is really scummy"
All you need to do on your phone is to click the button that allows you to quote the post
AND THEN VOTE IT
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Post Post #924 (ISO) » Thu Aug 22, 2019 4:09 am

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But we don’t all play the game the same way, and I still wanted to catch-up properly before committing to a vote.
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