Newbie 1951 (Day 4)

[emps]

You think I push my scum partner in your place?
You think I tell my scum partner to claim tracker after seeing mason claims and knowing I can sell a by claim as town-motivated rather than outing PRs enough to shift the wagon?
You think I ever let my scum partner not get an avi?

You can’t see obvtown either. So maybe stop mocking everybody and try to salvage some contribution.

(1) yes, absolutely if you think he's going down and that it might pocket me
(2) what is a by claim?
(3) maybe, I don't think that's at all AI

i think "by" is autocorrected vt?

[emps]

So you think it’s almost certainly the very experienced players (me, skit, emps) not the ones with total lack (Selene, sushi) that lent creeper limp on like he did all game?

That’s my issue. I have a TR on sushi. I’ve accepted that I’m the mislynch for tomorrow when you will eat crow. I’m trying to help town for D4 in picking btw emps, skit, and selynee. I think I would encourage them to go seleynee. Either live with that advise or convince me why I’m wrong.

im stilk a newbie why am i considered "very experienced"

[emps]

i dunno theae accusations of cheating feel very icky to me and i feel like we just should like steer the conversation away from that stuff. mena is not breaking the rules i dont think.

[teacher]

You’re right there, on both counts. It’s not rulebreaking and we should steer away. I will try to explain my thoughts better post game.

[Selynee]

Both teacher and skitter were pretty reluctant on EC wagon. Which is quite understandable, but makes me wonder if one of them was subtly pushing someone else. Teacher would be me, skitter would be Menalque. So, questions (whenever you see them, today or tomorrow): teacher, when did you started to SR me and skitter: why vote Mena today over me given that you said the whole thing about going to me if EC is scum?

Sushi- no experience with her so...I hope she shows up.

Also, Mena's plan will probably end with me in lylo and I think I will be the easiest mislynch ever. So, I think we should avoid this at all costs.

[teacher]

teacher, when did you started to SR me and skitter

I don’t really? I thought it was Menalque. If he’s town, I have to go back to the drawing board on the whole and I haven’t yet.

W/r/t skit, some of it is hesitancy getting on the wagon, some of it is crediting Menalque as a player, and some of it is thinking the Menalque wagon couldn’t be all town. On the flip side, I really did read her as town and there are all the counterpoints I quoted to Menalque to get his reaction.

W/r/t you, it was the makework question to creep and faith in Skitter as a player. On the flip side, your own quick hit defenses we’re compelling, as was the fact that creeper RVSed sushi.

Basically part of why I want a will from spam and was pressing Menalque so much is I don’t have a strong lead. I think it’s more likely than not between you and sushi tbh, but want to go back.

[Selynee]

When you do, take into consideration with EC, there was talk of info-lynching him. I mean I wasn't obviously opposed to it, but we actually had very few information if he flipped town. Also, he had just written that he doesn't know how to analyse so I've thought asking for a readlist would have been indeed the definition of asking stuff just to be asked. Decided to ask for at least a concrete read on a question he's asked. Granted, could have been more specific and asked "you think teacher's answer come from town or mafia?".

Also, I know you didn't give a SR on skitter, second part was for skitter.

[Nexus]

Votecount 2.1:

teacher (1) -

Menalque

Menalque (4-LYNCH) -

skitter30, emps, teacher, Menalque

Not voting (2) -

Selynee, NotMySpamAccount

Day 2 now begins. With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch. Deadline is at 6pm BST on Tuesday 3rd September 2019 (expired on 2019-09-03 18:00:00)

Menalque has been lynched. Flip incoming.

[Nexus]

Menalque - Vanilla Townie - Lynched Day 2

Night 2 now begins. It will end in 48 hours. Please PM me all night actions. Deadline is 7am BST on Friday 30th August 2019 (expired on 2019-08-30 07:00:00)

[Nexus]

NotMySpamAccount - Town Mason - Killed Night 2

Day 3 now begins. With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch. Deadline is at 6pm BST on Friday 6th September 2019 (expired on 2019-09-06 18:00:00).

[emps]

im probs going to do marathon weekend and stuff so dont expect me to be super active here

[Selynee]

Also, pretty much no one outside Mena had a SR on skitter. Cuz her questions and answers were reasonable and did advance the discussion. Well, outside the SR on me because I expected to follow up with them, but might be play style. Also, to look at me more likely than Mena D2. But you know, should finish this today and she should try to give me lynched today if she still think I am mafia cuz it is the last mislynch town affords.

[teacher]

I’m vacationing/camping this weekend.

I kinda want to talk to skit in realism time, and still haven’t reread sushi (school).

Like sely, I kinda think I should be the lynch for today, because I can’t be tomorrow.

[emps]

Wagonomics (a Krazy alt) taught me this thing where you look for minor differences in speech from flipped scum, like the way they subconciously refer to their scumbuddies.


ive been looking through his iso to try to find something, but all ive really noticed is he hasnt mentioned skitter like a single time.

[emps]

That's the problem. I'm having trouble looking deep into things the same way you guys do. I probably just need to try harder, but maybe it's not my thing.

As for Farkran not claiming, I don't really read that either way. I don't really see it as a valid play from either town or scum. I think he has a reason for it, but I have no idea what that could be.

how does a chat mafia game play out

So far it's actually been kind of the same as this game. Random votes happen, then other things happen that I've never really been able to understand.

That's the problem. I'm having trouble looking deep into things the same way you guys do. I probably just need to try harder, but maybe it's not my thing.

As for Farkran not claiming, I don't really read that either way. I don't really see it as a valid play from either town or scum. I think he has a reason for it, but I have no idea what that could be.

how does a chat mafia game play out

Mechanically, games are mostly the same. It's just the fact that here, we have so much more time to discuss, analyze posts, etc. Deadlines are measured in days instead of minutes. I've been assuming that makes a massive difference in play, but thinking about it, I guess it's not so different after all. I also realize now that the way I brought up my past was a bit misleading - I have a lot of experience, but that doesn't make me any better at the game. There are people from PS (that's my homeworld) who analyze things just as well as people here. Maybe the problem is I've been comparing everyone on this site to myself rather than other players from PS.

i mean ... does analysis happen in your chat mafia games? like i'm confused why having more time is hindering your ability to analyze here ... ? if anything i think it'd be easier since you aren't rushed?

Problem is I never really had the ability to analyze in the first place. In addition, there's more time to go over posts, but also a lot more to go over. Like I said, it might not really be so different from here after all.

yeah I'm confident on creeper scum now.

Spam - thoughts on fark?

Spam - flesh out your creeper read?

reminder for this page that Fark is L-1

heres two questions for you Spammy.

I'd like you to flesh out your read on me too, teacher. I've shown up pretty low on your recent list, and you seemed to turn against me around the same time as Spam did.

@selynee @creeper @sushi

You haven't been updating your reads for a while (if ever). Please do.

I'll try ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I feel like the whole Farkran & emps thing is just two townies fighting. I still have my townreads on them from earlier and I just think a lot of the arguments came from town perspectives.

NSMA's recent question to me felt town-ish but he honestly hasn't been putting much into the game (of course that's silly coming from me). My reads on him are more or less null.

I think a lot of people are overlooking Selynee and Sushi Martyr. I see good questions from them both, feels like town but could easily be made up.

EC, what is your opinion about teacher's answer to your question?

Spoiler: The question and answer being referred to, for reference

I'd like you to flesh out your read on me too, teacher. I've shown up pretty low on your recent list, and you seemed to turn against me around the same time as Spam did.

You’re an empty slot, but by choice not availability. You haven’t participated in the game. And you’ve resisted doing so when pushed.

I’ve expressed my thoughts on similar slots before:

(im good w/ your lynch......) “for a reason that seems callous -- if red, which I think is >rand, great. IF green, still not bad. I do believe in the 1:1 on and off wagon, so a green flip would have told me to reexamine my townreads. But given that [creeper] has not contributed any scumhunting OR (and the OR is in fact important here) claimed VLA to return at a date certain, even a green flip would have also removed a liability. This a lesson I learned a little later in my time on MS, but it makes sense to me. D1 and D2, you should of course try to scum hunt. But you should also get rid of town liabilities -- nullish folk that scum wont kill. Town liabilities should not make it to lylo because (1) they are an easy mislynch for scum to push and win the game, and (2) they havent been invested enough to have game-saving reads themselves.”

For one, your reasoning with "town liabilities" makes sense. Of course it's better to lynch scum, but as you say you think that's a possibility as well I can see where you're coming from. But I also find it odd that you came in after NSMA did, and also after what I think was my most contributive post at the time.

Creeper, come tell me why you're town. Selynee, please do the same.

I'm gonna be completely honest here: I have no idea how to do this lol. I feel like anything I say will just make my case worse.


I've said this before, but I think a lot of people think my amount of experience playing Mafia in the past correlates to my skill level. That is very much not the case and I am still horrible at the entire analysis thing

I kinda wish this thread didn't feel like a minefield where one wrong word or post and suddenly half the players are shouting for your head

this is me

ive searched for epic's usage of "you" and he mostly uses it to refer to a group of people.

he has 2 posts directed towards sely and teacher that use a lot of "you"s

[emps]

look for the replies to 506 and 605 to see the usage of "you"

[emps]

he uses a lot of "they"s to refer to people, and the only 3 people i could find from a quick skim that he referred to as he/she were NMSA, Fark, and I

[emps]

im starting to realize this method of scumhunting is probably useless with a flipped scum with only 24 posts...

[emps]

Everyone is gone cuz of labor day wknd

[emps]

sushi is long overdue a prod

Or have they already been prodded

[emps]

double checked, sushi hasn't been prodded.

@mod prod sushi and skitter pls

Idk if skitter is due a prod but im p sure they are

[teacher]

Skits on vLa but sushi hasn’t posted since like a day before d one ended.

[emps]

oh right the fri/sat vla thing

[skitter30]

skitter: why vote Mena today over me given that you said the whole thing about going to me if EC is scum?

i thought mena was kinda scummy (between his ate end of day freakout and him leaving the epic wagon at l-1)
and overnight night1 i was kinda rethinking my scumread of you - you were the first vote on epic, i'm not sure that scum!you hops on that early or stays on as the wagon builds; not sure it's really beneficial for scum!you to bus that way

[skitter30]

Also, pretty much no one outside Mena had a SR on skitter. Cuz her questions and answers were reasonable and did advance the discussion. Well, outside the SR on me because I expected to follow up with them, but might be play style. Also, to look at me more likely than Mena D2. But you know, should finish this today and she should try to give me lynched today if she still think I am mafia cuz it is the last mislynch town affords.

sorry, how are you reading me currently?