Newbie 1951 (Day 4)

[popsofctown]

i'm kinda conflicted

You're definitely an Asia girl, not a North America girl, after all, then, there's relatively few conflicting territorial claims in the North American continent.

[skitter30]

lmao

emps who do u want to lynch rn ?

[emps]

i dont get this convo you guys are like talking about mafia but also making some small talk abt skitters avi while doing so

pedit : i honestly dont know after the pops unvote, dont get why scum!him would unvote there either

[emps]

i think teacher may actually have pocketed me and kind of just let this 1v1 between u two happen

but then again he has taken a stronger stance than i have and if pop flips town, hes likely to be the lynch next day

[popsofctown]

I really enjoy mafia more when people tolerate some offtopic posting from me. Sometimes I like to play with how much of it is truly offtopic or truly unrelated to my win condition.

If you needed to greylist or blacklist me for this tendency that'd be understandable, I could understand a preference for staying close to the meat and bones of the game.




Who is "u two" in your post? popsofctown and skitter?

[skitter30]

i like the random offtopic posting!
def not a black-list-able offense imo

is it crazy that i kinda want to vote teacher ???

also i'm kinda falling asleep but will do my best to check in before work tom; i will def be here before deadline

[popsofctown]

Hectic outed teacher as scum so there's that.

[emps]

If you needed to greylist or blacklist me for this tendency that'd be understandable

no i wouldnt stop playing with someone because they made small talk in a game...

[emps]

ugh ima go to sleep soon and i should vote someone but idk whooo

[emps]

im leaning towards teacher tbh but im considering skitter

[popsofctown]

There's plenty of back to basics reasons to want to lynch teacher, including, the level 0 wifom VCA on day 2 giving him basically all culpability for Menalque's death. There's reason to hesitate too.

I kind of want to switch from teacher townbloc to skitter townbloc over the lack of continuity in his read progression and also his insistence EC had coaching in the PT and how firmly he seems able to hold the belief. It gets to the point I want to be paranoid he's just scumslipping on my face and marries that stance because he actually heavily interacted with EC in the scum PT, and EC just said, "I want to post in this particular way anyway", so like, when I try to engage him in some kind of debate about speculating on to what extent there was interaction he doesn't want to engage because it's like engaging Neil Armstrong about whether the moonlanding really happened for his side.

I do still like some of my post1 arguments about skitter!scum but I think I should flip. I really doubt I survive enough days that this is something other me/emps/sel guessing correctly between skitter or teacher and winning or losing off of that aside from minor side dish possibility emps or selynee is deepwolf (which is increasingly unlikely the way they've been vote holstering)

pedit: there's some time in the morning to review a bit and think
I'll be around near hammer to avert no-lynch but I have a VOTE: teacher preference as a course for the game right now.

[emps]

oh yeah ill have some time in the morning as well thought deadline was like 6 or 7 hours from now woops

[popsofctown]

This is the BBcode ripped from the votecount

With (expired on 2019-09-11 18:00:00)

[skitter30]

VOTE: teacher

[Nexus]

Votecount 3.2:

teacher (2)-

popsofctown, skitter30

Not voting (3)-

emps, Selynee, teacher

With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch. Selynee has been prodded. Deadline is now at 6pm BST on Wednesday 11th September 2019 (expired on 2019-09-11 18:00:00).

[teacher]

Well that was quick.

VOTE: pops

It looks like I’m back on the table for today/tomorrow and I’d rather it be today. But looking at what put me on the table, it’s a 180 from pops based on posts that were all out there while he was trying to sell the board to NOT go me. As for his LYLO thoughts, why is he directing them to Skitter in a situation where he KNOWS for an absolute fact that I will will be voting her and so would give scum!emps the W regardless. Like that hypothetical situation and voting is just not real.

Kk. So let’s see what the issue is on me. That I said I would have pushed sely in my D2 conversation w Menalque? Let’s see if anything happened after that...... oh wait, yes it did. Menalque made a food case for aelh being town AND finally explained his Skitter scum read, both in a way I could grok.

[teacher]

And I’ll selfhammer before deadline just because

[teacher]

UNVOTE: Pops

Skitter -- are you assuming they flaked D3? (clearly, by your vote). Selynee's comment on that is the thing giving me the most pause about this lynch. I coudl see Sushi submitting the kills (man do I wish she had "last active" activated), but I dont get the flaking out after submitting the two kills. Like if she had the will to see that through, why flake out -- unless it was the early posts indicating she was definitely in the lynch pool.

I also tend to agree that lynching me would have been optimal scumplay from their perspective, and certainly not giving sely as hard of a townread -- certainly a case could be made that, by pushing against all lynches today, sely is staying above the fray while town fights itself out.

Im still somewhat inclined to this lynch, though also tempted your direction for the fence-sittyness earlier on Emp's positioning re: creep and me. I kinda want to see how you answer this before a lynch goes through.

i don't remember exactly when they stopped posting, i think ~day2? i don't know why they'd flake after making the nks; it could be they found keeping upw ith the game to be difficult, or that they didn't know how to respond to the suspicion on them

still disagree that i was being fence-sitty

Just for what it is worth, they stopped posting here a full day plus before the D1 lynch. No presence D2 at all

[teacher]

So you think it’s almost certainly the very experienced players (me, skit, emps) not the ones with total lack (Selene, sushi) that lent creeper limp on like he did all game?

That’s my issue. I have a TR on sushi. I’ve accepted that I’m the mislynch for tomorrow when you will eat crow. I’m trying to help town for D4 in picking btw emps, skit, and selynee. I think I would encourage them to go seleynee. Either live with that advise or convince me why I’m wrong.

wait rereading this again in pops post - how did you get to a strong enough townread on selynee that you'd be willing to lose to scum!selynee tomorrow?

or am i misreading what you mean in the second paragraph?

You weren’t confused. I think I was largely pursuaded by Menalque. This quote is Bedford 1264 and before I had time to go back and actually reread his 798. It also is before I reiso-Ed you and saw how Jesus rant you were to get on the creep wagon and how even when on it you were pushing a town counter.

Of all the people voting me, yours is the most illogical. Because you know more than anyone else that I deflected a town!menalque wagon - whom I had been scum reading - onto scum!crewper. There is literally no scum motivation to do that. None. If you think I do that as scum, kindly explain?

[teacher]

how Jesus rant you were t

How hesitant you were.

[teacher]

PS, my deadline thoughts if I am the lynch:

I wanted Pops today based on Creepers conduct and thinking Skitter wouldnt have coached it, and assuming I got to tomorrow (because I would have).

If Im the lynch today, I want skitter>Pops.

• Look at the D1 Menalque wagon prior to 540 - it would be ALL town, which would be weird;
  
• look at her still pushing a counter wagon WHILE ON Creeper in 797, and her general delay getting on (744).
  
• look at her voting the guy who she says made creeper happen. Like she says it directly in 1349 - "YOU told me I needed to compromise elsewhere" -- yet votes me in 1358?

This also explains skitter's evolution of Fark -- correctly (unlike me) solving PR and not wanting to look bad by being on wagon before a claim and so getting off and leaving it for the NK.

Y'all can decide how you decide. Again, my solve would have been lynching sushi into skitter. But if I dont get both those lynches, I would want Skitter tomorrow.

[Selynee]

There's plenty of back to basics reasons to want to lynch teacher, including, the level 0 wifom VCA on day 2 giving him basically all culpability for Menalque's death. There's reason to hesitate too.

I kind of want to switch from teacher townbloc to skitter townbloc over the lack of continuity in his read progression and also his insistence EC had coaching in the PT and how firmly he seems able to hold the belief. It gets to the point I want to be paranoid he's just scumslipping on my face and marries that stance because he actually heavily interacted with EC in the scum PT, and EC just said, "I want to post in this particular way anyway", so like, when I try to engage him in some kind of debate about speculating on to what extent there was interaction he doesn't want to engage because it's like engaging Neil Armstrong about whether the moonlanding really happened for his side.

I do still like some of my post1 arguments about skitter!scum but I think I should flip. I really doubt I survive enough days that this is something other me/emps/sel guessing correctly between skitter or teacher and winning or losing off of that aside from minor side dish possibility emps or selynee is deepwolf (which is increasingly unlikely the way they've been vote holstering)

pedit: there's some time in the morning to review a bit and think
I'll be around near hammer to avert no-lynch but I have a VOTE: teacher preference as a course for the game right now.

Nope. Yes, they did get into a 1 vs 1 but Fark and NMSA were convinced Mena was the right lynch since he came off the wagon, emps and skitter blank voted D2, then Mena voted himself. Don't really see how you see this as only teacher's culpability here.
Also, the whole speculating on how much EC talked in the scum PT isn't that helpful (or I suppose hard to fake as mafia): EC isn't coming to confirm till the end of the game.
Don't get the 180 degrees read change based on this reasons.
VOTE: popsofctown

[teacher]

Emps you better hammer one or the other.

I will be in class around deadline and in general for the rest of the day, but will try to do quick popins and deadline self-hammer if need be.

[teacher]

his insistence EC had coaching in the PT and how firmly he seems able to hold the belief.

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Like no -- thats the whole reason Ive been pushing you today? The fact that I DOUBT creeper had good coaching in his PT. Lets see:
1254 says go with the players LESS likely to coach.

I also think creep’s behavior points towards a newb partner - the lack of avi, the lack of any attempt to even fake scumhunting.

So, please, tell me where I insist Creep had coaching? Becuase my theory is that he didnt. And yes, I see that as more likely to come from a less-confident player (AKA Sushi).

[teacher]

the lack of continuity in his read progression

Going back to do that made my also go back and see 1280 where I explain part of my progression on Sely. I explain my progression on Emps in 1321. He is dramatically different from 1941.

Just yesterday (real life) you were giving me credit for read-flips. I definitely have flipped (something I dont do as scum), but Ive always explained why.