Baton Pass [Game Over!]

[Something_Smart]

Please just treat him like another player and let's move on with the game.

Usually when I see any player deadset on a scumread, I will hear it out and then if it turns out to be wrong I'll lynch them with no regrets.

What I'm afraid of is if people won't consider lynching RC if Shoshin flips town.

[Oversoul]

Like Shoshin’s unvote isn’t bad in a vacuum it’s the fact that she votes herself after earlier stating she’s not worth it to BP. The logic she uses to justify the vote is contradictory in my opinion.

[Wisdom]

i do not have to prove you wrong when you havent proved yourself right
its your job to present to me how hes read her 100% correctly since youre making this argument

[Oversoul]

gif without even looking im positive rc hasnt read anyone 100% correctly

Not that this matters but RC has a 100% read rate on me. That’s why if he calls me scum this game, then he’s scum.

[Something_Smart]

SS do you have a single townread

My earlier stated townreads on Gay Dance, Cephrir and Nacho still hold (though the Cephrir one specifically ignores RC for the moment because if I take RC into account I have no idea where it ends up).

You might be town too.

[Wisdom]

Please just treat him like another player and let's move on with the game.

Usually when I see any player deadset on a scumread, I will hear it out and then if it turns out to be wrong I'll lynch them with no regrets.

What I'm afraid of is if people won't consider lynching RC if Shoshin flips town.

why would we lynch rc when shoshin flips town
bad tunnelers are bad tunnelers, not scum

[Gay Dance Gone Wrong]

∃ is much easier to prove than ∀ though.
I'm hoping that you are nice enough for you to do the easy thing than for me to do hard thing.

[Wisdom]

nah im lazy enough to be confident that ∀ is completely unlikely

[Gay Dance Gone Wrong]

Ok I'm gonna ask RC for links then.

This is going to be the greatest meme in mafiascum's history

[Gay Dance Gone Wrong]

@RC I need all your towngames with Shoshin

[Gay Dance Gone Wrong]

Hmm yes I think this is actually manageable.
RC tends to roll scum a lot so he shouldn't have too many towngames yes

[Oh]

gif without even looking im positive rc hasnt read anyone 100% correctly

Well he states so, so you'll have to prove that it's false or my thing still stands.
So far Enter's links did not prove the contradictory.

You must not have read very far.

[Oh]

Can we all just relax? I'm pretty sure a majority of this thread hates it when people worship RC, I've seen far too many comments about it to really believe otherwise. Please just treat him like another player and let's move on with the game.

You know that ain't happening.
That's why I'm trying to see if anyone can break my logical proof.
They can say all they want in terms of reads and all that.
But they can't invalidate correct logical proof.
And so far, it stands.

If only you provided a correct logical proof that was based on viable assumptions.

[Wisdom]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

Town rc, town shoshin, scumread on shoshin

are we done

[Oversoul]

Wisdom what are your reads on Cici and Shoshin?

[Wisdom]

town and nulltown

[Gay Dance Gone Wrong]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

Town rc, town shoshin, scumread on shoshin

are we done

I knew you were a nice person at heart

[Gay Dance Gone Wrong]

Anyway, now that I had my fun with lollogic, I'll talk about reads now.

There were actually few things that pinged me re: Shoshin.

1. She showed confidence on reading RC and then, well, just assumed that RC is town this game. Last time I played with town her she was going all out trying to continuously sort RC. This plus voting CC for protection looks like it could be trying to buddy up to avoid conflict with RC. Because RC tends to bite less if you don't call him scum ya know?

2. The timing on her vote change.
Now not too long before her switch, RC posted things that could possibly indicate that he was not townreading Shoshin.

I think that Shoshin is 100% not going to die N1.

Shoshin definitely shouldn’t die but statistically, we’re still the most likely to get shot.

I suppose that I could be doing both but I'm not doing both because

I have a specific scumread in mind and I don't feel like pursuing other people until I spend more time on them.

Now I don't know if RC actually meant Shoshin here, but I think it is very plausible that someone as self-conscious as Shoshin would definitely pick them up as a red flag.
Scum-Shoshin would now want RC slot dead, hence moving her vote away from RC.
Like, the timing is just way too perfect for it to be coincidence.

[Celestial Coordinates]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

Town rc, town shoshin, scumread on shoshin

are we done

This is incredibly intellectually dishonest given that I scumread her for a relatively short period in the overall game, came around to townreading her, and I mostly scumread her because she literally 0 posted that game.

[Oversoul]

Anyway, now that I had my fun with lollogic, I'll talk about reads now.

There were actually few things that pinged me re: Shoshin.

1. She showed confidence on reading RC and then, well, just assumed that RC is town this game. Last time I played with town her she was going all out trying to continuously sort RC. This plus voting CC for protection looks like it could be trying to buddy up to avoid conflict with RC. Because RC tends to bite less if you don't call him scum ya know?

2. The timing on her vote change.
Now not too long before her switch, RC posted things that could possibly indicate that he was not townreading Shoshin.

I think that Shoshin is 100% not going to die N1.

Shoshin definitely shouldn’t die but statistically, we’re still the most likely to get shot.

I suppose that I could be doing both but I'm not doing both because

I have a specific scumread in mind and I don't feel like pursuing other people until I spend more time on them.

Now I don't know if RC actually meant Shoshin here, but I think it is very plausible that someone as self-conscious as Shoshin would definitely pick them up as a red flag.
Scum-Shoshin would now want RC slot dead, hence moving her vote away from RC.
Like, the timing is just way too perfect for it to be coincidence.

Don’t these two points contradict one another?

[Shoshin]

RC can't read me. He was wrong about me both times I was scum (check the games if you don't believe me), and he has consistently called me scum in every game I've been town.

If anyone other than RC has concerns about me, please let me know. I'm not going to spend my time addressing anything he said.

[Celestial Coordinates]

Wisdom is discrediting me because he wants to shit on me and is playing to an agenda.

I didn't say that literally at no point in any game did I ever incorrectly scumread or townread her. I said I've had the same pattern wrt being damn sure that she was scum early and in 1 case I decided to try to hunt her partner, then succeeded but was unable to lynch her partner because the other two town scumread each other and in the other case I had a bunch of idiots attacking my ability to read her and calling me anti-town to the point that I stopped wanting to play.

[Celestial Coordinates]

RC can't read me. He was wrong about me both times I was scum (check the games if you don't believe me), and he has consistently called me scum in every game I've been town.

This is also a statement that is not only bullshit but that you know to be bullshit.
Starting to think that Wis/Shoshin is SvS and the push was a bus rather than just some random shitpush on town.

[Gay Dance Gone Wrong]

Don’t these two points contradict one another?

No because there was a reason for the change of action.

[Shoshin]

To be clear, I never said RC was town this game. I don't like to say much about RC's alignment until D2 unless I'm very confident that he's town, in which case you'll hear me saying that very forcefully to make sure he doesn't get mislynched.