Open 769: Venrob's PYP X/Y (Town Wins)

[nomnomnom]

hm... Interesting exchange

[skitter30]

skitter you're starting to look like you're trying to hedge me as a lynch option.

ok

that's not how i'd be interacting with your slot as scum here, but sure

[Flubbernugget]

That's not convincing at all.

[skitter30]

ok

[AaronFrost]

@Aaron: how likely do you think it is that Luca is buddying you?

Why do you ask? Do you think that just because he's townreading me that means he buddying me? It's feels more like you're trying to buddy me right now which is weird given that one of the first things you did was join my wagon.

[AaronFrost]

leantown: {Kerset}
null: {wooper, Sirfetchd, Sujimichi, skitter30, nomnomnom, AaronFrost, Flubbernugget, Billy Pilgrim, rb, Luca Blight, Xayah, PMysterious}

So you have no scumreads?

[nomnomnom]

leantown: {Kerset}
null: {wooper, Sirfetchd, Sujimichi, skitter30, nomnomnom, AaronFrost, Flubbernugget, Billy Pilgrim, rb, Luca Blight, Xayah, PMysterious}

So you have no scumreads?

That sounds like the town!S_S I know honestly

[skitter30]

@Aaron: how likely do you think it is that Luca is buddying you?

Why do you ask? Do you think that just because he's townreading me that means he buddying me? It's feels more like you're trying to buddy me right now which is weird given that one of the first things you did was join my wagon.

i think he was buddying you to get you to join his wagon

[skitter30]

his convo with you / about luca was very slimy

[AaronFrost]

ok

Is this your response to everything this game?

[skitter30]

apparently

[AaronFrost]

@Aaron: how likely do you think it is that Luca is buddying you?

Why do you ask? Do you think that just because he's townreading me that means he buddying me? It's feels more like you're trying to buddy me right now which is weird given that one of the first things you did was join my wagon.

i think he was buddying you to get you to join his wagon

I do think Kerset is legitimately scummy but I also agree with you here. It felt like rb was trying to condition me on what to think and I'm not a fan of that.

[skitter30]

can i interest you in voting rb with me?

[nomnomnom]

I would but I don't feel confident in deciding Kerset/rb yet. I haven't analyzed that interaction well honestly.

I'm more confident that something's fishy with flubber especially when you consider he just scumleaned two people that voted/fos'd him.

[skitter30]

i'm more interested in rb rn

i do agree with you that flubb's behaving weird af but i don't know if that's because he's a pr or scum

[nomnomnom]

I actually think that Kerset has more chances to be scum. There are a lot of blanket shading in that ISO and the only vote is on rb. The vote/fos ratio is very low and I think that begs for more close examination.

[skitter30]

i don't really have an opinion on kerset really

[nomnomnom]

I think you could benefit from looking into the Kerset/rb interaction, especially kerset's wall of text before voting rb. Let me know what you think of that if you do.

[skitter30]

ya i kinda skimmed part of it

i'm having trouble being ~into~ / ~ processing~ mafia today due to irl stuff

i will reread it at some point

the parts of rb that i read (esp. his convo with aaron) i didn't much like

[nomnomnom]

rb does feel verbose but I need to think about that.

I think Kerset's end of the interaction was very odd for sure. I'll even go ahead and VOTE: Kerset. That iso is textbook pessimistic scum having a very low vote/fos ratio. I think the key to decoding rb is actually residing in Kerset's wall.

[skitter30]

i'll reread it later

i think rb is being manipulative / buddying-y tho and would prefer that for now since i really don't have thoughts on kerset

[AaronFrost]

id be willing to lynch SS just for that, but i think you're a better lynch (=

forgot to say: vote kerset with me then? =]

Yeah actually looking back I don't see how this is town motivated. How do we get from "Aaron is a good lynch right now" to "Aaron come vote Kerset with me?" It just feels disingenuous and like it's manipulating me into doing something that others might perceive as scummy.

VOTE: rb

[nomnomnom]

I don't like this VC. It seems that we are clueless.

Rereading this post now with the low ratio in mind is pinging me a shit load. I just feel this is standard scum behavior through and through. There's nothing in that iso that screams optimism and this early in the game it smells like scum.

[skitter30]

what do you mean by 'low ratio' exactly?

[nomnomnom]

what do you mean by 'low ratio' exactly?

Picture this: someone's accusations or slight shades against people, and what they vote, can be seen as a ratio. I see it as a vote/shade ratio, where you can see what someone says in regards to people that could be seen as shading or outright accusation, and where they vote. In Kerset's case, their iso is full to the brim with shading and accusations, but the only vote that they've made is against rb. That would mean a 1/X ratio which is extremely low. A low ratio indicates someone that is more worried about finding reasons to shade and point fingers at people, rather than analyzing things and saying "yeah, let's vote here".

It's somewhat linked to "voting entropy", the amount of times someone changes their vote. I think townies hit that sweet spot with the amount of times they vote/unvote whereas scum feels more calculated (low entropy) or very loose (high entropy). Again, stupid theory stuff, just constructing mafia theories in my own side but this is what I've been thinking about when analyzing games