Open 769: Venrob's PYP X/Y (Town Wins)

[rb]

Rb what is your current read on kerser exactly

scum, obviously

[rb]

there's awkward new and there's awkward new scum

[Kerset]

What other reads do you have, Wooper?

other than all my reads? zilch, why?

Why do I get scumvibes from Wooper?

I swear to god I wanted to townread the slot because I've played many games with ducky where I soulread him and wanted to see how it develops but I have this sinking feeling that ducky isn't town.

suspect it's absence of townvibes; I don't care about this game yet and may not until there's fewer people alive

I don't think that you will one of this 'fewer people', if you keep this anti-town behaviour. I thought you just had problems IRL.

[nomnomnom]

Noms you seem to have some experience with skitter. She's made some pretty weak points at this juncture. Is that normal; is it indicative of her alignment?

Depends on the context. My analysis of Skitter is that as town, the more time passes, the more paranoid she becomes with the whole game. She also has baseline paranoid thoughts about certain slots such as mine because of previous experiences, so a lot of it could be emotional.

If it's early on, against a player she's never faced or that her paranoia/annoyance doesn't rise with the more time passes, she's more likely to be scum. Otherwise I'd say it's town indicative of her as long as it's in a paranoid context.

[rb]

more importantly skitter: who are your actual scumreads

because...you _aren't_ new and you know better than to spend a majority of your time playing the game on nitpicking at someone else's scumreads?

who do you actually scumread and why?

this is poor content, let's go

[skitter30]

what i wanna know is why something smart scumreads billy

and why we shouldn't lynch something smart

Why should we lynch something smart

Luca is town, i think

[Something_Smart]

there's awkward new and there's awkward new scum

What's the difference, in your opinion?

[rb]

there's awkward new and there's awkward new scum

What's the difference, in your opinion?

one is the thing you lynch

[skitter30]

who do you actually scumread and why?

You, but i'm not so sure of that anymore
Billy
Sirfetched
Aaron

You and aaron dont make sense together tho

[skitter30]

there's awkward new and there's awkward new scum

And what makes it the latter ...

[Something_Smart]

one is the thing you lynch

Don't sidestep the question

[rb]

what i wanna know is why something smart scumreads billy

and why we shouldn't lynch something smart

Why should we lynch something smart

Luca is town, i think

nah, i'm done answering questions for you to restate the same questions at this point until you actually provide content of your own

complaining about other people having reads isn't a substitute for you actually having reads.

[nomnomnom]

there's awkward new and there's awkward new scum

What's the difference, in your opinion?

I know you haven't asked me but by experience my first time on this site was as scum and I can tell you that the interaction I had with people that suspected me very early on were awkward as hell so I think that being awkward should be looked into very carefully especially for a new player.

[Kerset]

As fun fact I can say that wooper participated in my every game so far.

[skitter30]

what i wanna know is why something smart scumreads billy

and why we shouldn't lynch something smart

Why should we lynch something smart

Luca is town, i think

nah, i'm done answering questions for you to restate the same questions at this point until you actually provide content of your own

complaining about other people having reads isn't a substitute for you actually having reads.

I think i've been providing content and have reads, ty

[Wooper]

@Kerset I do have several irl problems rn. Relatively limited time/energy for Mafia so I'm budgeting it. not burning myself out on this game is actually net very protown.

Antitown = lynched is a pretty poor mindset trap to fall into btw; policy can be a pretty grey area and time's better spent finding ill motives than plynching people who are busy. you've seen me vomit up a phoney scumcase off pg. 1 of a thread pretty recently. I think you know sheer effort doesn't make me more likely to be town.

[rb]

one is the thing you lynch

Don't sidestep the question

i can generally tell when someone's just new or when they're new scum

i've played a bunch of newbie games and there are general tells for new!awkward town players - and kerset ticks none of the boxes.

at this point you have to also be aware that there's now 4 people who all think kerset is pretty scummy for similar reasons to me. by pure numbers, one of us is town. and unless you think that the scumteam is nomx3, wooper and myself, and that for some unbeknownst reason where none of us were under any pressure, we all decided to push really hard on kerset (again, if you are assuming that we are the scumteam) only to have them flip town?

for what?

so unless you're gonna go full idiot mode and assert that, maybe you should actually re-read kerset yourself and decide whether or not they're awkward new or if there's a decent chance they're scummy.

[nomnomnom]

at this point you have to also be aware that there's now 4 people who all think kerset is pretty scummy for similar reasons to me. by pure numbers, one of us is town. and unless you think that the scumteam is nomx3, wooper and myself, and that for some unbeknownst reason where none of us were under any pressure, we all decided to push really hard on kerset (again, if you are assuming that we are the scumteam) only to have them flip town?

Wooper thinks Kerset is town I believe? Why include him in the list?

[rb]

i've seen awkward new town try to get town on the right track when they feel like the town isn't making headway. they might do a terrible job, but they try. kerset doesn't

awkward players still try to find scum, awkwardly, but they do try. kerset doesn't.

kerset doesn't...do anything town

there is awkward play with a believable "okay this person is not doing great, but they're trying to find scum"

and there's people just not doing anything

[rb]

at this point you have to also be aware that there's now 4 people who all think kerset is pretty scummy for similar reasons to me. by pure numbers, one of us is town. and unless you think that the scumteam is nomx3, wooper and myself, and that for some unbeknownst reason where none of us were under any pressure, we all decided to push really hard on kerset (again, if you are assuming that we are the scumteam) only to have them flip town?

Wooper thinks Kerset is town I believe? Why include him in the list?

oh does he?

bad wooper

[rb]

can we get a VOTECOUNT

[rb]

i think your play lacks direction, despite knowing that you're usually a capable and matter of fact player as town who states what they think and pushes in the direction they believe will hit scum.

it's possible that i'm overestimating your townplay, or that you just aren't really pinging heavily on a scumread yet and so aren't the town player i'm used to. nothing you've said really pings me as you being either alignment, which is why i said earlier "i hope Luca's scum because then this game would make a lot more sense"

- i think you're overestimating his towngame
- this seems in line with his towngame that i've seen before
- i'm not sure why you're characterizing his play as lacking direction, or what that even means in this context

which town games did you see before?

[Something_Smart]

i can generally tell when someone's just new or when they're new scum

What is your success rate at doing this?

[rb]

oh no, if i question it i'm 'breaking a townread' and that's scummy

guess i just have to take your word for things and not be curious how you come to conclusions, because that would be scummy

sorry skitter, i have now changed my mind entirely. kerset must be town and i can't ask why you think that or what your previous experiences were

[Kerset]

@nom3 When you shaded s_s, skitter and flubb you compared their gameplay to their previous games. When you scumread me you compared me to yourself and your general theories. Why didn't you compare me to my previous games like you did with others?