Open 767: Nomination Mafia [Day 7]

[Menalque]

Okay I have the solve now

[DrCirno]

Gif do u remember me making that same post in fallout

You think I read the game I mod I mean who is GIF?

[Menalque]

Joey I’m going to try and convince you of why it’s RC/drcirno tonight

If I can’t, then we can do GL on the understanding that after he flips town we’re lynching RC followed by cirno

[DrCirno]

So as fast, abrupt, and lulz that page 9 lolhammer was, that looks like a town lolhammer.

[DrCirno]

==Awoo is obvtown==
1. RC

==That fucking lolhammer man==
5. NorwegianboyEE

==The third and last town==
[Soon to be filled]

==The Leftovers==
6. GuiltyLion
3. Joey_
8. Sujimichi
9. Menalque

==Flipped and me==
10. PMysterious - Town
11. pisskop (This is me!) - Town
7. Creature - Town
4. mutantdevle - Town
2. Titus - Scum

[Menalque]

The short version is: i had good chances of getting pk!slot lynched today I think

I was then confident enough in my TR on you to PoE the others through to the win

What is RC’s immediate action on replace in? To try and disrupt the cohesion between us/position himself as the towniest slot here (which he’s not, not based on awoo).

He then says he’s planning to push me, and who else immediately jumps on? Drcirno.

[Menalque]

==Awoo is obvtown==
1. RC

==That fucking lolhammer man==
5. NorwegianboyEE

==The third and last town==
[Soon to be filled]

==The Leftovers==
6. GuiltyLion
3. Joey_
8. Sujimichi
9. Menalque

==Flipped and me==
10. PMysterious - Town
11. pisskop (This is me!) - Town
7. Creature - Town
4. mutantdevle - Town
2. Titus - Scum

It’s cute that you’re acting like you don’t know that it’s 8:3

[DrCirno]

It’s cute that you’re acting like you don’t know that it’s 8:3

Only if you read my post

[DrCirno]

{Me, T1, T2, T3}
{L1 L2 L3}

lynch L1 D5
T1 D6

{Me, T2, T3}
{L2, L3}

lynch L2 D7
T2 D8

{Me, T3}
{L3}

I think that means I need 3 correct townreads to win ths game.

[DrCirno]

And of course, 2261 assumes the worst case scenario, where every nominations are from {Me, T1, T2, T3}.

[DrCirno]

I just skimmed mutant's last scum game
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... ct[]=30609

And honestly his posts are significantly different than his posts in this game. Inb4 I am wrong and I look silly post game but, tone reading is basically one of my strength (and weakness) and mutant post's as scum are unsubstantial, shows no emotions (classic s tell) and he's seen constantly doubting himself & taking stances meant for posturizing (like half reads, non-comital stuff, asking himself questions etc). Also, in his scum posts, its very obvious that he's shading people left and right which is scum agenda.

Mutant is obviously someone who can express himself very well which offer some sort of distance from his writing style and his emotions. In this game tho, the way he showed emotions was when he cranked his own posts when he felt pressure, which he recognized himself. His walls this game imo almost never showed agenda; everytime he outed a read he nuanced it and, irrc, didn't discredit someone for the sake of discrediting (like he did as scum).

Spoiler: Exemples of his scum shades

"are you claiming that your role enables you to unlock people's 2nd role PM, aka their quest PM? Because the quest flavour is what is listen as 2nd for me.

Or are you just being dumb

and actually mean this"

His wording is non-comital he's offering an "out" to whoever hes investigating, which is a read that comes off as non-agressive since being dumb is NA

"Oof varsoon. Are you going to be posting like that all game? Gotta be honest here I but I found your post just a little irritating. My biggest gripe is how you criticise a lot of people for doing NAI stuff and fluff posts yet a large part of your post has a lot of fluffy stuff in it. Like, if your post is THAT large, and you expect people to actually read it, surely you'd keep your own fluff to a minimum?"

His wording is non-comital, trying not to comes off as having a strong read. That's probably his worse post that I skim

"I can't help but feel there are slight undertones of someone who doesn't want to be investigated here. Do millers usually claim early in the game? I don't have much experience with them."

His wording is non-comital and his read is implied. After outing his read, he's admitting mechanic ignorance which decrease the tone of his read yet still shades a slot

Spoiler: His shades/answers this game

"A large majority of people prefer playing as town. So it's statistically likely that you too prefer playing town. Hence, if you're saying you think your alignment is crappy, you're admitting that you are mafia?
VOTE: pisskop"

Committal wording, he's not using wording where he's 2nd guessing himself, he's offering no out

"this is a pretty strong conclusion to come to. So I must ask how serious this conclusion is? It seems odd to me that anyone could be so closed-minded this early into the game."

Implied read using words that are NAI and he's offering an out "early game". This fits his sucm posting but the wording is much different IMO. He's not using 2nd guessing wording and close-minded is much less discrediting of someone's character than "dumb" is

"Also, I'd like you to justify your statements that I'm A) Tryharding and B) trying to blend in. Those things aren't necessarily mutually exclusive but they are pretty damn close."

Non-comittal wording, implied read and you can argue he's offering an out. Again this could fit his scum posting but I feel the wording/tone is much different

"Your issue is that you're treating my vote as RVS. I've already explained that it was not an RVS vote. It was a calculated and intentional vote albeit with reasons I didn't genuinely believe - this had the sole intention of generating content. Until that point nobody had said anything meaningful.
Why does making an early vote that uses effort and logic instead of just near randomness make me scum? It shows an element of tryharding, sure. But what about that is inherently scummy?"

Here he is answering a post shading him, but not once did he shade or imply a read toward that person in any way, there's no scum agenda and he's engaging the content of the post. IMO, if he was scum w/ the meta from the linked game, he probably would've sliped a few shading comments in there

"You're saying a lot of things about me here that I agree with yet I still don't understand how you come to the conclusion I am scum. Yes I took issue with the position in the game (in that nothing of substance was being said). Yes I am incredibly self-aware. Yes I have primarily a logical approach to things. And yes I was trying to be useful and proactive. So what I don't understand is why all of those things are bad? Or at the very least, why you think they are bad? I consider all of those traits to be positive, or at the very least neutral, so the only reason I can see that you'd suspect me for displaying them is if you think I'm faking them. Until your most recent posts, it really did not seem like that was what you were accusing me of. So am I right in saying that the reason you are currently scum reading me is because you think my blatant display of those traits is me faking and overselling them?"

Same as above

"I don't see what town motivation there is to purposely stunt my ability to read you."

This is his first kinda shade towards pk after like 2 wall posts and a half which shows town POV because he's saying he's having a hard time reading PK, its coherent with someone who just had a huge conversation and didn't imply a read on them.

Its pretty blatant this is mutant's town game

Ok Joey can be town too.

[DrCirno]

I'm gonna jinx it and say

"Could this game be this easy"

[DrCirno]

How much time do I have

[DrCirno]

(expired on 2019-11-08 10:52:51) until D5 ends.

Ok I got plenty of time.
I'm gonna work on other things today, and read my townreads 1 2 3 in more detail to confirm tomorrow.

[RadiantCowbells]

Wow people who aren't bad at the game replaced in

They must all be scum for calling me scum!

[RadiantCowbells]

Also we only need 2 locktowns if we kill another scum

[Menalque]

Yeah, no

I had a scumread on pk before cirno replaced in. I eased off to allow him a chance to enter into the game and one of the first things he does is start moving to support your SR on me.

You actually aren’t bad at the game, which makes the fact that you’re calling me scum here actually p scum!indicstive for you.

[Menalque]

Also we only need 2 locktowns if we kill another scum

I like that you’re now appropriating my argument

[Menalque]

From actual days ago

[RadiantCowbells]

It's a purely mechanical argument. Are you trying to argue that my following up on an obvious mechanical argument is scummy?

[Menalque]

Oh, also the fact that you’re both behaving as if awoo was an obvtown slot when that clearly wasn’t the case and then trying to reinforce that narrative by mentioning it 20 million times

[Menalque]

It's a purely mechanical argument. Are you trying to argue that my following up on an obvious mechanical argument is scummy?

The fact that you’re trying to position yourselves as the two locktown slots is scummy, as is the fact that you didn’t acknowledge that I already made that argument which should be +town for me fypov

[RadiantCowbells]

It clearly was the case and given that it's established precedent that my reads are great (which you've agreed with) and that I only take town slots, arguing against it is pointless.

[Menalque]

I think I’m probably losing this because you’d be an uphill battle alone and there’s someone else supporting you so I’m gonna start putting a reminder in my posts

always lynch RC next after I flip town

[RadiantCowbells]

When did I ever try to position "us" as the locktown slots

If anything Suji is the most obvtown slot