Perfect Masquerade [Game Over]

[Gentleman 4]

I'll talk to you, Lady 6, if you want to talk about it, but I feel better about Gentleman 3 flipping scum than a lot of people here.

[Gentleman 3]

Why?

[Gentleman 4]

Gentleman 3's ISO looks significantly worse in contrast to his context than it does next to his own posts, Gentleman 6, which might explain why you don't see what I see. Or maybe we just disagree on him.

[Gentleman 3]

I seriously doubt that G6's read on me came from ISOing me.

[Gentleman 4]

Spoiler:

I will go so far as to venture to say that I think the read on Gentleman 3 is generally shared by the majority and those who aren't part of that unanimity have weak enough reads that when players become more forthcoming about their stances tomorrow, they will be.

The funny part is even reading this I can't tell what the read is, but I assume it's town. (If I'm universally scumread I can't imagine this many people would care this much about who I ask.)

But if so many people think I'm town, then why are they pressuring me to pair by doubting my motives, rather than by explaining why expedient pairing is pro-town?

Like that's literally what's happening. The longer I wait, the more people are "omg I'm afraid G3 is scum stalling for info" and as far as I can remember, not a single person has tried to identify for what reason I might be stalling as TOWN and help me work it out.

So if I'm a universal townread like you say then people sure as hell aren't treating me like one.

Gentleman 3's comment about how he assumes that people are town reading him looks particularly bad when he follows it up with why that's a poor assumption. It looks like he's saying he thinks people are town reading him with the intent of making it true.

[Gentleman 3]

Because that's totally a thing that happens.

[Gentleman 3]

(Hint: it's not, and if you actually believe that, you need to step out of the tunnel before you get run over by the train.)

[Lady 2]

????

G4 you have completely lost me here.

[Gentleman 3]

Like literally you are the one who was ambiguous in that post, I was struggling to parse you, and you weren't helping. (I don't think you were even right as I was neither widely townread nor widely scumread at that time.)

[Gentleman 4]

Spoiler:

Please don't read L4 off of my read on them, I'm not actually sure they're scum anymore.

...was there a time when you were sure she was scum?

Please don't read L4 off of my read on them, I'm not actually sure they're scum anymore.

...was there a time when you were sure she was scum?

This is an incredibly bad question.

The following interaction is particularly strange

Gentleman 3 comes off as somewhat overeager in his first question and looks like he's backtracking for the rest of it.

No, I was never 100% sure they were scum. There was a time that I was rather confidently scumreading them. I am no longer sure what my read on them is. Does that post really need to be asked?

Why are you repeatedly going after me forcing me to clarify things that really don't need any sort of clarification?

Because using imprecise language is bad? If you weren't sure she was scum, don't say you were sure, I don't really see what's hard about this.

Link, what do you want on the town pizza?

I'm partial to mushrooms.

You act like I'm the first person on MafiaScum to say that I'm no longer sure if someone is scum or not without an investigative result. It's not uncommon to use this phrasing without literally thinking someone is for sure, beyond reconsideration, scum.

You act like I'm the first person on MafiaScum to say that I'm no longer sure if someone is scum or not without an investigative result. It's not uncommon to use this phrasing without literally thinking someone is for sure, beyond reconsideration, scum.

Well, chalk it up to differing experiences I guess, because I rarely see this (unless you're talking about people tunneling when they really aren't as confident as they claim).

Regardless, I asked for clarification because I was unsure, and clarification I got. We don't really need to dwell on it anymore.

[Lady 4]

How do you see it, L4?

I don't think G8's weird ask has anything to do with your alignment. If he's scum, he was either genuinely paying no attention and didnt care, or his buddies told him to keep L5 in the game to increase apathy. You could easily have ended up left out by this move as his buddy. If anything, I think if he were scum with you he'd have waited for G1 to make a move.

[Gentleman 4]

I meant to write what I did at the top of the post. The mushrooms comment looked particularly out of place - like someone was trying to escape a particularly uncomfortable situation.

[Gentleman 4]

Like literally you are the one who was ambiguous in that post, I was struggling to parse you, and you weren't helping. (I don't think you were even right as I was neither widely townread nor widely scumread at that time.)

I think you were pretty widely scumread, or at least people were leaning scum on you. I think the players who thought you were pretty townie were people like Gentleman 6 and Lady 5.

[Gentleman 3]

I'm pretty sure you just perceived it that way because you scumread me. Most people had hedged or not given a strong read on me at that time.

[Gentleman 3]

I meant to write what I did at the top of the post. The mushrooms comment looked particularly out of place - like someone was trying to escape a particularly uncomfortable situation.

How would town be likely to respond to that question?

[Gentleman 4]

I think the point of my post is that you thinking people townread you doesn't make sense based on your own perceptions of the way people treat you, and yet you still remark that you think people are town reading you. Does that not seem strange?

[Gentleman 4]

I meant to write what I did at the top of the post. The mushrooms comment looked particularly out of place - like someone was trying to escape a particularly uncomfortable situation.

How would town be likely to respond to that question?

I think you'd be more interested in solving the issue at hand and worrying about pizza later.

[Gentleman 4]

Also Gentleman 3 has a strange attachment to Lady 4 and I'm not particularly sure why.

[Gentleman 3]

Like that's just pure confbias. My options were ignore, mock, or answer; I picked the one that wasn't rude, and you're saying I was trying to "escape an uncomfortable situation?" Give me a break.

[Gentleman 3]

I think you'd be more interested in solving the issue at hand and worrying about pizza later.

It's a post that took literally two seconds, what are you even talking about

[Gentleman 4]

Like that's just pure confbias. My options were ignore, mock, or answer; I picked the one that wasn't rude, and you're saying I was trying to "escape an uncomfortable situation?" Give me a break.

Are you trying to deny the situation you were in at that point was uncomfortable for you?

Your dismissive language isn't helping your case, at least FMPOV.

[Gentleman 5]

When did G3 become “widely scumread?”

Didnt L2 and G3 literally vote me yesterday for shading G3 yesterday? Wasnt he a favorable read for most of the predance or am I wrong?

[Gentleman 5]

Also Gentleman 3 has a strange attachment to Lady 4 and I'm not particularly sure why.

I hope you mean L5?

Because this Im pretty sure is not true?

[Gentleman 3]

I think the point of my post is that you thinking people townread you doesn't make sense based on your own perceptions of the way people treat you, and yet you still remark that you think people are town reading you. Does that not seem strange?

I think it's pretty clear in that post I'm struggling to understand you, and also pretty clear that I thought you meant I was a universal townread but I didn't believe that.

[Gentleman 4]

When did G3 become “widely scumread?”

Didnt L2 and G3 literally vote me yesterday for shading G3 yesterday? Wasnt he a favorable read for most of the predance or am I wrong?

Maybe this is just me, but it definitely looked to me like Gentleman 3 was a pretty reasonable scum read for most of pre-dance, I thought the votes on you were for lack of directness in your read, but I might be wrong.