Micro 900: Autumnal Mafia (Game Complete)

[Datisi]

quality pagetop

[Wickedestjr]

His takes are bad. But what is worse than how I disagree with the reads...

What reads did you disagree with? From your wall post, it seemed like we were in agreement on the three reads that I provided yesterday.

...he hardly has any reads. There has been so much stuff in this game, so the emptiness of his posting is very concerning. You should walk away from the trio hyperposting fiasco with SOME kind of medium or strong read. At a bare minimum something like "I don't know what any of these people are, but these two are never scum together". There's nothing wrong with playing an ms.net game on your lunch breaks and not matching Datisi's hyperposting, but even a less active slot should be expected to have read strength here, Iconeum entering the game with a strong position being an example.

Firstly, I literally just completed a successful scum game in which I was able to provide reads on the entire playerlist relatively early on. I realize that self-meta always has to be taken with a grain of salt, but I think this proves that I am at least capable of BS'ing confident reads as scum. I even knowingly give a number of controversial reads in that game. So this feels like pretty weak rationale for you and Ico to jump on me for.

Secondly, as I said yesterday, I feel like the 'trio hyperposting fiasco' was extremely repetitive. So you might view it as 20+ pages of content. But I view it as 1 pg of content that was put on repeat 20 times. So even though 30ish pages had elapsed at the time of my big post from last night, I don't feel like we had 30 pages worth of information to work with.

Finally, the reason why I am struggling to come up with confident reads as quickly as everyone else is because I'm town. This is my first town game in over two years and yes, I'm having trouble finding my footing here. I'm also very much a perfectionist and I'm a little bit afraid to be wrong. I think expecting me to have confident reads two days into a game is kinda unreasonable.

[Datisi]

Wicked
buddy

I assume you meant to link C9++ there

but you literally linked this game as "your scum game"

[Wickedestjr]

Ughhh. Evidently I don't know how links work.

[popsofctown]

This game is only two days old?

His takes are bad. But what is worse than how I disagree with the reads...

What reads did you disagree with? From your wall post, it seemed like we were in agreement on the three reads that I provided yesterday.

Your Datisi read has way too little intensity.
Also I don't think I'd townread my slot if I couldn't see the PM. But hitting neutral is a whaaat?

[Wickedestjr]

Oh I used the 'post' tags instead of the 'url' tags.

Here are the correct links:
I was able to provide reads on the entire playerlist
controversial reads

[Datisi]

This game is only two days old?

yeah i know i was surprised too
wonder who could be causing that effect

hmmmmm

i wonder

[popsofctown]

Datisi do you think wicked is scum?

[Datisi]

Remind me to talk about something after emps catches up/gives reasons for his reads and stuff

K thx

[Wickedestjr]

This game is only two days old?

It's three days old. Last night, it was two days old. Page count can be misleading.

His takes are bad. But what is worse than how I disagree with the reads...

What reads did you disagree with? From your wall post, it seemed like we were in agreement on the three reads that I provided yesterday.

Your Datisi read has way too little intensity.
Also I don't think I'd townread my slot if I couldn't see the PM. But hitting neutral is a whaaat?

So, you don't actually 'disagree' with my reads. You just don't understand or agree with the exact intensity or strength of my reads. Maybe I'm a different person that doesn't view the game precisely the way that you do?

[Wickedestjr]

This is where I'm at currently:

town lean: alimdia, Datisi
neutral: Luca, Iconeum, emps, popsofctown
scum lean: Alduskkel, Menalque


I'm feeling more confident in my Menalque scum read after reading his posts today. His play here feels very similar to the scum game that I just finished with him. Alduskkel/Menalque scum team is my gun-to-head guess right now.


I'm gonna take a break and watch some tv for a bit. Might make another appearance here in a few hours, but no promises.

[Datisi]

Oh fuck yeah emps is online

@emps
Reasons for your original readslist + any changes from then til now please <3

[emps]

@Emps, I like that you're doing catchups "real-time", but is there ever any "conclusion"? What are your reads atm?

I'm gonna

piggyback

this question.
Wicked didn't do catchups real time and he had more content than you.

~ahem~

lol oof

town
{ico} - strong tl
{datisi, luca} - tl
{wicked, alduskel(or however you say it), mena} - null
{alimidia} - nullscum
{wimpy slot} - scumlean (might need to reconsider, ill look into it tmrw)
scum

yay fuck me like 10 pages to catch up on

but first time for reasonings

ico - i think his posts abt the whole mena datisi vs wimpy situation were towny
datisi - talked to me before about basically having a stroke in the scum pt every other post, and theres no daytalk but she seems relaxed/natural
luca - kind of gut tbh but i also like his reasonings
wicked - not much to go off of. i really dont see why people have been scumreading this tbh
aludskel or whatever - not much to go off of either
mena - i really just keep going back and forth on him tbh im really not sure
alimidia - tone feels a off and voting me for posting a ton and doing real time catchups is ???
wimpy - tone is off and he felt overly defensive, and kept emphasizing that hes done nothing scummy at all

pedit : oh hello there

i still have 10 pages to catch up on so ill let you know once im done

[alimdia]

I'll reply to other stuff later. My point regarding that read is.

(1) Null is in between Town and scum.

(2) You said (878) your reads (from Town to scum) were Icon Datisi Mena Luca Wimpy Wicked Emps. (With Aldu outside but it's irrelevant.)

(3) You said Wimpy was null.

When the three premises are taken into account, I come to the conclusion that Luca was closer to Town than to scum in your reads.

Is any of this wrong, and if so, where?

2 is wrong. Read my #931 second half, and last 5 posts I don't wanna keep repeating the same things over and over like the Wimpy conversation.
My reads (from Town to scum) were Icon Datisi Mena Luca Wicked Emps.

When you were 'actively pushing me out of the townblock' when Icon said we're not lynching alimdia today, the fact of the matter is that you are an (almost) global townread, while Luca is not.

You don't have any nefarious motives

in trying to push me in or out of the townblock.

This almost reads like a bit... tmi? Scum!me would have very good reasons to push town!you (or town!anyone, for that matter) out of the Townblocc.

Scum!Anyone could be a thing. If I'm gonna be paranoid about everyone this game would never go anywhere.
Scum!Anyone would want to look town.
Anyway I was answering why you were scumhunting while Luca is just pushing people out of townblock. Hes not even .... building a case against me.

I also want to point out that I Townread Datisi and Icon before Ali did (Ali didn’t give any reads until I called him out on it) so his claim that I’m scared of him also becoming townread due to PoE is not only irrational but also doesn’t really make sense, as I’ve helped to form that PoE. I’m actually wondering if he’s projecting his own fears onto me.

um No U (Yes I read adlu's post 958)


@Mena Stop misspelling my name

Looking at Wicked's post 1036, I might need to rethink his slot because he could have easily just said he thought I was scum to continue the pile on.
Instead he also TRs me.

3) I could say the same - I’m currently townread more by the ‘townbloc’ players than Alim, so his accusation could also apply to himself and, as I said, it feels like he’s projecting that fear onto me, because it’s otherwise irrational to suggest I’m scared of him being townread for probing about something I disagree with.

At the time where you first threw shit at the people TRing me, you weren't townread yet. Hence you were scared.

Also, @dats — if two people in the PoE die and it doesn’t flip scum, sure, we fucked up

But I think the reasons for thinking the PoE is good are solid so I don’t see the need to overthink it unless proven otherwise, in which case there will v likely be enough info to find where the scum actually are

Plus I think I consistently find scum on D1 so I also just sort of trust myself to be >avg right that the PoE has scum even if I don’t know who’s most likely yet

.......
.......
Need I say more? You thought Wimpy was scum then after he rep'ed out admitted it was actually less than 65%

If Luca flips scum this game I'm going to be very sad

okay back to writing responses

I mean this is why I have only 1-2 TRs at a time, people that play mafia become good liars. (in mafia)[maybe in rl too ]

@Datisi: tbh I wasn't paying that close attention and was mostly just happy that ali was backing me up on my Luca suspicion

Well of course Alim was going to back you up as you were literally agreeing with what he had said.

This hard Alim TR feels really forced/unnatural.

Lmao anyone that TR's me feels forced and unnatural. So are you saying there is 4 scum of (me, Icon, Aldu and Wicked)?

Any reason you’re not pushing your main scumread, Ali? I’d almost forgotten your emps SR until i re-read your reads list.

Nobody seems interested on emps and still keeps calling my suspicions a policy vote.
I'm dragging you to the spotlight where you belong.

@Wicked you up for a wagon on Luca?
VOTE: Luca

[alimdia]

@Datisi: tbh I wasn't paying that close attention and was mostly just happy that ali was backing me up on my Luca suspicion

Join tha wagon too

[emps]

ok time to catch up oh boy this is going to be fun

pedit : wat i see a big post and a luca vote im confused

[alimdia]

ico - i think his posts abt the whole mena datisi vs wimpy situation were towny
datisi - talked to me before about basically having a stroke in the scum pt every other post, and theres no daytalk but she seems relaxed/natural
luca - kind of gut tbh but i also like his reasonings
wicked - not much to go off of. i really dont see why people have been scumreading this tbh
aludskel or whatever - not much to go off of either
mena - i really just keep going back and forth on him tbh im really not sure
alimidia - tone feels a off and voting me for posting a ton and doing real time catchups is ???
wimpy - tone is off and he felt overly defensive, and kept emphasizing that hes done nothing scummy at all

pedit : oh hello there

i still have 10 pages to catch up on so ill let you know once im done

Is anyone seeing his reasonings?
Summary:
STRONG TR because: his post are towny
TR because: seems relaxed
gut- like his reasonings (doesnt specify)
scum leaning: tone is off
tone is off , emphasising that hes done nothing scummy


Also I didnt vote you because you doin real time catchups. I voted you because that created lots of fluff and useless shit and contributed to the first 20 pages fluffshow, told you to stop and you kept going.
Fuck changing wagon to emps again VOTE: emps

[Datisi]

Ok I'm gonna go get my hour and a half of sleep see y'all soon

And I'm kinda sorta gonna agree there, quality over quantity

Would rather see 3-5 *good* posts emps my man

[emps]

god damn you really fucking hate fluff whats wrong with having a bit of fun ffs

also, i fluff as both alignments. if anything id say i fluffpost more as town than as scum

pedit : not spamposting is hard ok

[emps]

ill try wallposting w like 5-8 quotes at a time i guess

[Luca Blight]

Lmao anyone that TR's me feels forced and unnatural. So are you saying there is 4 scum of (me, Icon, Aldu and Wicked)?

No, I'm not saying that at all.

I Townread Icon for a start, and I'm not sure what his current read of you is. I haven't yet looked over Wicked's reason for townreading you, but Aldu's does feel rushed for the reasons given.

As for you, I'm still not sure exactly about you - you need to understand that me questioning other players' read on you is as much about me figuring out their alignment as yours. The game doesn't revolve around you.

[emps]

emps you just low-efforting due to whatever reason rn or are you scum?

i'm not letting you pocket me... again

wait uh which game is this referencing

I don’t really like Wicked’s subtle shading of Datisi, feels like he’s nitpicking at things to create doubts over the slot while still aligning with the popular opinion.

reminder to check this later, didnt rly notice this (then again havent rly read wicked iso that carefully, just a quick glance to see what was up)

Furthermore, it's strange to come to a neutral-(slight) scumlean on both Wimpy AND Menal.

If those 2 are scum, Wimpy never replaces out. Ever.

Er, I don't disagree with the rest of the post, but I don't exactly get how you come to this conclusion?

He'd see it as bussing instead of being bullied?

find it strange how alimi answers the q for ico

Ali, you're staying very neutral throughout all of this. Can I get some reads from you?

Reads:
Town
Icon - parks vote on Mena for a while but steps out of the shitshow soon after and one of the first to start hunting elsewhere
Datisi - excluding the war with Wimpy, questions are on point, looks like genuinely scum hunting. I'm ignoring the 'out of scum zone' comments as thats NAI
Mena - Re-read Mena a bit, To be fair, Mena admitting that it was 65% is probably a point in their favor, but I still don't like the way they tunneled each other, basically taking control of the thread.
Luca - everytime someone town reads me, he undermines it (604, 793). Ppl TR'in me: (683, 690, 692). I feel like he is afraid of me becoming a somewhat universal town read ,
along with some other somewhat universal town reads like Datisi, Icon and to a lesser extent: Mena, and thus being eventually outed in POE.
Wimpy - this is very close to null tbh cos he focused on tunneling on Mena, and a lesser extent Datisi, and seemed like he wasn't even trying after a certain point.
Wicked - Icon's 867 brings up a good point. I'm willing to jump on that wagon if nobody thinks Emps deserves a wagon here.
Emps - lots of fluff post to look like they're contributing, over multiple days.
Emps - enough said
Emps - enough said
Scum

Null: Adlu - hasn't posted much, other than a slightly town read on me

"over multiple days"

its 2 irl days in.

the point abt luca undermining every tr feels like alimi being sort of self concious about how people biew them tbh

[Luca Blight]

I'm getting newbtown vibes from Ali's recent posts tbh, the way he's judging most things by how it relates to/affects him.

@Datisi: tbh I wasn't paying that close attention and was mostly just happy that ali was backing me up on my Luca suspicion

Join tha wagon too

Does it not seem odd to you that he's suspicious of me yet hasn't voted me? It feels like he's waiting for someone else to make the push first.

[emps]

Now that I've slept over it, I don't think Menal plays like this as scum. Scum are much more aware of things, and after quickly rereading Menal ISO again he literally reads like a bull that saw a red scum. He went too far and did some bad and nasty things, but I can relate a little.

Gonna keep my opinion at TvTvT

i dont remember seeing you mention anything about townreading wimpy

care to explain the wimpy tr here?

That’s actually a good point against emps @Ali. Perpetually catching up is a great way to fly under the radar as scum while looking busy/productive.

What's wrong?

853 was @Luca, since it seemed to me like he was giving credit to you for something I said first

Uh I said that ages ago the first time he was doing that perpetually catching up posts

maybe i wouldnt be perpetually catching up if some people didnt avg like 20 pages a day >:(

Icon - parks vote on Mena for a while but steps out of the shitshow soon after and one of the first to start hunting elsewhere
Datisi - excluding the war with Wimpy, questions are on point, looks like genuinely scum hunting. I'm ignoring the 'out of scum zone' comments as thats NAI
Mena - Re-read Mena a bit, To be fair, Mena admitting that it was 65% is probably a point in their favor, but I still don't like the way they tunneled each other, basically taking control of the thread.

Luca - everytime someone town reads me, he undermines it (604, 793). Ppl TR'in me: (683, 690, 692). I feel like he is afraid of me becoming a somewhat universal town read , along with some other somewhat universal town reads like Datisi, Icon and to a lesser extent: Mena, and thus being eventually outed in POE.

Wimpy - this is very close to null tbh cos he focused on tunneling on Mena, and a lesser extent Datisi, and seemed like he wasn't even trying after a certain point.
Wicked - Icon's 867 brings up a good point. I'm willing to jump on that wagon if nobody thinks Emps deserves a wagon here.
Emps - lots of fluff post to look like they're contributing, over multiple days.
Emps - enough said
Emps - enough said
Scum

Null: Adlu - hasn't posted much, other than a slightly town read on me

I'm a little confused why I'm so high up your list when everything you said about me was negative.

somehow luca is above wicked and wimpy despite all that as well

Icon - parks vote on Mena for a while but steps out of the shitshow soon after and one of the first to start hunting elsewhere
Datisi - excluding the war with Wimpy, questions are on point, looks like genuinely scum hunting. I'm ignoring the 'out of scum zone' comments as thats NAI
Mena - Re-read Mena a bit, To be fair, Mena admitting that it was 65% is probably a point in their favor, but I still don't like the way they tunneled each other, basically taking control of the thread.

Luca - everytime someone town reads me, he undermines it (604, 793). Ppl TR'in me: (683, 690, 692). I feel like he is afraid of me becoming a somewhat universal town read , along with some other somewhat universal town reads like Datisi, Icon and to a lesser extent: Mena, and thus being eventually outed in POE.

Wimpy - this is very close to null tbh cos he focused on tunneling on Mena, and a lesser extent Datisi, and seemed like he wasn't even trying after a certain point.
Wicked - Icon's 867 brings up a good point. I'm willing to jump on that wagon if nobody thinks Emps deserves a wagon here.
Emps - lots of fluff post to look like they're contributing, over multiple days.
Emps - enough said
Emps - enough said
Scum

Null: Adlu - hasn't posted much, other than a slightly town read on me

I'm a little confused why I'm so high up your list when everything you said about me was negative.

Maybe its because I listed Emps three times?
I didn't c/p Wimpy out to the null group, my bad though. So you are 4th out of 6 people, not really that high.

4th out of 7
actually, 4th out of 8 if you count aldu.

are you guys serious about scum!Luca?

^

[popsofctown]

post 1088 is such a tone deaf push on Luca it make me think maybe alimdia has to be town