Newbie 1973 | Mountain | Over

[Ph0enix]

Arthur reads everyone as town. But then he votes Phoenix and still hasn't given an explanation. If he has one I want to hear it.

Again, Arthur never voted me, I voted him. In Plotinus' posts, on the left is the person voted, an on the right - who voted them. I voted Arthur, not the other way around because I think that's what you are referring to.

[ArthurConyl]

Apologies everyone, I've been busy IRL for a few days, neglected to VLA. I've read through all the posts. I see that I'm at L-1.

@Farren, please consider not hammering (remember Enter). If you insist though, I'll claim. Please post a further intention to hammer when you get online. I still hope we can come back from the hammer or claim situation.

I'm not gonna bother restating/defending my scumminess, just go back to my posts if you want that.
I see some people have questioned my read list. Tbh, my read list I gave you was not entirely confident. My current read list is as follows:

Spoiler:

Mitillos

- Town, despite Gyro's scummy posts Mitillos has more than redeemed his predecessor.

Alorata

- Leaning town, has contributed to town more than the other two guys ever did. Still need more time to assess.

Farren

- Leaning town, I still remember your one naked vote on me (right after Cheeky) but I'll let that slide, you've contributed and been part of the conversation overall.

Ph0enix

- Leaning scum, in D1 he was sort all over poking votes at others and taking them back but D2 I think he performed well.

PenguinPower

- Leaning scum, not overly done anything scummy but I feel like he's trying to stay out of the conversation a little bit, not overly telling though.

Chazary

- Scummy, acted that way in D1 and I feel he's trying to lie low a little.

BTW the above names are in order from most town to most scum.

Addressing the situation, I would like everyone to stop a moment because I don't think I've acted scummily enough to deserve lynching. No one wants to mislynch (like what happened with Enter). Really the only two "scummy" things I've done is vote Chazary and vote Enter. Please give me a chance with D3, I'll try my best to be as helpful as possible. If you don't like me at the end of that, I'll let you lynch me without protest. If you're on my wagon, please consider and read some of my posts. Go reread all of my posts. Really, I've only done two scummy things. Please consider giving me another day.

[ArthurConyl]

Farren has stated he wants to hammer. If you want to give me a chance, I guess now's the time to unvote. I'll claim if no one wants to do that.

[Ph0enix]

Current reads on everyone:

Ph0enix - Town

Ph0enix

- Leaning scum, in D1 he was sort all over poking votes at others and taking them back but D2 I think he performed well.

Excuse me, what?!

[Ph0enix]

Farren has stated he wants to hammer. If you want to give me a chance, I guess now's the time to unvote. I'll claim if no one wants to do that.

Oh I most definitely do not want to unvote.

[Ph0enix]

OBLIGATORY ARTHUR QUOTES LIST:

Chazary

hasn't done anything too scummy so far

. (164)

I think

it's forgivable

because he just came out of inactivness and wasn't aware the game had moved out of RVS. (209)

(Vote on Chazary)

(210)

On the current Enter situation, Enter's playstyle is not overly scummy (but leaning that way), but ETL was both scummy and unhelpful to town. Lynching (Enter) can't be too much of a bad thing in this scenario. I'm not going to hammer because Enter hasn't claimed yet. @Enter a good time to claim would be now,

someone (including me)'s going to hammer you otherwise

. (456)

In any case, what happened with Chazary has

made me hesitant to vote, especially to put anyone at L-2 or L-1.

(471)

Hammering someone at this point is understandable, even desirable, so no

I am not concerned about hammering

.
(475)

Also I've never voted for Ph0enix. I thought he acted a bit weird at the start but

comes off as town since then

. (539)

Ph0enix - Leaning scum

(601)

I would explain once more what's wrong with these quotes but I think they speak for themselves. So, for those who are unsure of their vote, let the above be some food for thought.

[Ph0enix]

Also, @Arthur, I have a little bit more time and then I won't be able to post until Farren hammers, as it seems. So, in case you have something to say that could make me reconsider my vote, the stage is yours.

[Mitillos]

@Arthur: Actual scummy things you've done:

- You haven't voted anyone, even now that you gave clear scumreads.
- You are asking people to unvote you right at the deadline and not roleclaiming. The time to claim was post 601. As you said: Remember Enter. He also refused to claim and we mislynched the doc because of it. He could have easily claimed and given us the chance to lynch someone else instead. If he had, Cheeky would also still be alive, since Enter would have likely been the N1 kill.
(These two points together are basically you arguing for a no-lynch, which is one of the worst things we can do.)
- You are making fallacious appeals ("remember Enter"). There are seven players and every single one of them could say the same thing if they were being lynched. Since none of us can be a doctor (given that Enter was), there is absolutely no substance to the argument of "this could be a mislynch, so don't lynch me".
- Your weird shifts on Ph0enix, Farren, and Penguin, especially given that your later reads mostly reference D1 reasons for suspicion, despite the fact that your earlier reads came on D2. Waffling on one player happens. Waffling on half of them like this? Yeah, that's someone who's not even trying to scumhunt.

[ArthurConyl]

I'm dead now either way.

I claim town cop.

First night I investigated Chazary.

Chazary is mafia.

[ArthurConyl]

I'll get the wagon started: VOTE: Chazary

[Ph0enix]

I'm dead now either way.

I claim town cop.

First night I investigated Chazary.

Chazary is mafia.

Why didn't you say that earlier then, I don't understand?

[ArthurConyl]

Because I wanted to try to stay until D3 at least so I could investigate someone else.

[Farren]

Cop claim acknowledged.

I am not countering.

I am not hammering.

[Ph0enix]

Same, you earned my unvote for now.
UNVOTE: Arthur

[Farren]

Somebody unvote Arthur, please.

P-edit: thanks.

[Mitillos]

Why the hell would you not at least vote for chaz before now? You had him as your scummiest read in 509 and you didn't even bother voting him then, despite ostensibly knowing his alignment. That's incredibly anti-town. Why would you say he's had "fairly solid participation" since then, if you already knew he was mafia? I don't believe you, but I will unvote and wait for developments.

UNVOTE: Arthur

I will try to check here every couple of hours.

[Farren]

Okay. Now to business.

Arthur:

1) Why did you view chazary?
2) Why did you have chazary as "in the middle" in 509 when you had a hit on him?
3) Who do you think chazary's partner is, and why?
4) Why did you think you had a chance of surviving to D3 without claiming, given a) how this day has gone so far, and b) what happened to Enter on D1?

[ArthurConyl]

I breadcrumbed twice earlier, in D2 because I thought I might have to claim:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11460563
Fourth paragraph, look at the first letter of each sentence.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11462424
First paragraph, look at the first letter of each sentence.

Does that help?

[Farren]

With a flipped Doctor, we're in either A1 or B3. That means the remaining PR is either a Cop or a Tracker. I would

strongly

advise anyone else wishing to claim one of those roles to do so by the end of D2.

[Farren]

Breadcrumbs check out. COP spelled out in each one. Both in D2, as you said.

[ArthurConyl]

Okay. Now to business.

Arthur:

1) Why did you view chazary?
2) Why did you have chazary as "in the middle" in 509 when you had a hit on him?
3) Who do you think chazary's partner is, and why?
4) Why did you think you had a chance of surviving to D3 without claiming, given a) how this day has gone so far, and b) what happened to Enter on D1?

1) Because I found him the most suspicious and also just intuition. Process of elimination; Cheeky was townie, one guy was inactive, Ph0enix and Penguin were good, Gyro and Farren were scummy but not as scummy as chazary
2) Because I wanted to lie low and not attract his attention. If I started to be outspoken, I was worried I'd be NK'd.
3) Probably Farren or Penguin. Penguin's been a bit shady and lying low D2. I still don't forgive Farren for naked voting me after Cheeky.
4) I thought I could lie low and sort of stay out of the spotlight, but I didn't realise how scummy people found me. It would have been good if I could've survived until D3, never mind now. Also we've killed off the doctor so yeah,

[ArthurConyl]

I would suggest you guys start voting chazary if you want to lynch a

Mafioso

by the end of D2.

[Farren]

3) Probably Farren or Penguin. Penguin's been a bit shady and lying low D2. I still don't forgive Farren for naked voting me after Cheeky.

Penguin's got chazary on his readlist one step above you. Granted, he could always divert on D3 if he's scum with chazary, but still ... could be suspicious if you flip Green and Penguin decides to reverse course on his second-worst read.

Already explained the naked vote. Which was before Cheeky's, not after.

Looking back at 538, it does make more sense from the perspective of a cop talking to someone he has a hit on, I think.

Time to go take another look at chazary.

[Aloratom]

I breadcrumbed twice earlier, in D2 because I thought I might have to claim:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11460563
Fourth paragraph, look at the first letter of each sentence.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11462424
First paragraph, look at the first letter of each sentence.

Does that help?

Just to be clear, you breadcrumbed for this very scenario? I'm not sure to believe you. In your first breadcrumb post (507), you're explaining why you sandbagged, and now you're explaining another sandbag. You seem to have a reluctance to help the Town.

[PenguinPower]

Not cc'ing. Did you happen to crumb D1 or just D2?

I'll be around between now and deadline sans sleep for a few hours.