Team Mafia 2020: Normal Game (Endgame)

[the worst]

kinda don't think he... talks about a partner this much tbqh? he also hasn't been *frozen* when asked for opinions but also hasn't felt the need to have a trajectory on ari

gth i'd lean away from ari/ico partners but it's probably not clearing

sorry i tried to spoiler but it broke.

What’s your thoughts on Ari?

i don't dislike him

there's literally nothing he did or said that pinged me

i don't see anything scum!ari related

i'm trying to determine how likely it is that scum!RC tries to hard push ari like this in the early game

don't really see him doing that because lack of need
there's also really not a lot of content in ari's posting so far (i understand that RC sees that differently here), so it's a far stretch for scum!RC to be fabricating that kind of read, especially at this stage of the game...

So that was an amount to read. I read half the forum yesterday and the rest today and I'll just say what thoughts have popped into my dome from this experience.

From the whole Maths v RC situation it seems at the very least that they aren't svs. The constant bickering is way too much to be fabricated in my humble opinion. Still, the sudden TR of RC by Math was odd and ellicited a ping or two. I can definitely see the LAMIST accusations at Math too, will need to do another big look over to nail where I land on them at this stage in the game.

Now to the RC v Skitters debacle, Skitters had initially pinged me as Scum which was bolstered in the if Math is Scum so is RC chain of reasoning. However, the way that Skitters had reacted did not seem Scum constructed to get out of trying to spread faulty logic and more of a genuine emotional reaction in the way it played out which more or less flipped my read on its head.

Ari is a big SR for me, for the usual reasons, the Maths pocket attempt was not cool.

UNVOTE:

Gonna be disappearing for a decent portion of the day, should hopefully be able to show up in the evening.

VOTE: Ari I see the mistake and am fixing it post haste. I was gonna do that when I returned in the evening, with some more substance, which I see was a bad move.

Plum, this wasn't really an attempt at scumhunting, The post was just to show I was alive and had read the thread. I can't see what you mean by buddying with Ari.

Maths, I don't think I've said enough yet to count as agreeing with you too much. The only part from what I've written that I've seen you agree with is the last part.

flopz, if you say it wasn't meant as scumhunting, why did you feel the need to make it look like you scumhunting? why not just pop in and say you are reviewing everything?

this makes me feel like you are very worried about how your slot is perceived here, moreso then any townie would really be concerned about

also 'Ari is a big SR to me' without voting there isn't town thinking

VOTE: flopz

I think all of RC/Math/tw/Ari/skitter (if town) are players that scumteam are going to be wanting to 'fearkill', and I don't think you stand out high over anyone else on that list

i don't really see ari as scum

would lynch in xtoxm/bella/flopz all before ari

Bad rc, I stopped being mislynch bait today.

Ceph says Ari is scum (klick agrees), that plum is just good at talking so I should be more cautious there, that math is 'crazy pants and unreadable' (I'm leaving this til like, day three, lol) and that ico is town BC he's bad at scum and it would've been obv by now.

Actually, I think the strongest part of my scumgame is my D1-2. I end up struggling later on most of the time.
Did they provide any explanation to Ari!scum reads that might help?

I'm fully caught up, and I see Ari being called scum, but I've not seen a case on him?

So how about them Saints?

I hear they have more free time to find more scum.

VOTE: Xtom

do you think xtoxm is scum?
i'm like, assertively null on him aorn

I like that xtom vote from Math

Spoiler: druidic gremlin

Vote Count 1.11

tris

(3): Aristophanes, skitter30, Plum

Xtoxm

(3): Iconeum, teacher, MathBlade

Flopz

(2): RCEnigma, Bellaphant

Aristophanes

(2): Flopz, RadiantCowbells

RadiantCowbells

(2): Xtoxm, the worst

MathBlade

(1): tris

Not voting (0):

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to end the day.
Deadline is set to two weeks from day start, in (expired on 2020-01-16 22:00:00).

Tris wagon is meh?
Xtoxm wagon could use more votes
Flopz definitely needs more votes maybe I'm more usefull here
Ari is ehhhhhh, with flopz on it. I'll reread RC to see if he provided actual reasoning on Ari being scum?
RC votes are bleh
Tris being on mathblade is also ehhh

VOTE: ico

bella has seen da wae
can you see da wae?

Hey...Juicy theory

RC+TW = SvS

I had reasons.

Alright. I WILL be able to fully catch up a few hours from now. In the meantime does anyone have anything they want to say to me right now?

Have a drink while you read. It’s painful.

Would want your opinion on if RC+TW = SvS

wait ur serious about this?

wow

duckling is fine giving ari more time

then ari comes in and posts some super fake stuff

who knew

I don't see why anyone should NOT be giving Ari more time? Is your read on him set in stone?
RC if you think Ari's read on flopz is faked, why don't you think my flopz read is faked too?

I don't consider this a moral obligation btw:
I think that really it's on you and Duck to accept you can't put the time in to win this by force and you haven't been towny enough to skate past D1 so you lose, if my read of the overall situation is correct.
But I'm going to do it anyway because... not really sure why, but I'm sure doing it.

Here it is again.
The rare qualifier from Raybells.

You used this in the one scum if statement I mentioned in my ramble.

This likely means that you think the worst is going to win and be townie enough to skate past day one.

Because...you’re scum with the worst.

WAIT UR ACTUALLY SERIOUS ABOUT THAT SCUMTEAM?

Yes I am serious about it. It matches Raybells to a T and the worst isn’t a leader type.

It also explains why (assuming Ari scum) that Raybells was able to read Ari as scum and couldn’t really explain it. He just knew and got impatient.

I think the worst is a leader type when he feels like it. I also know that he isn't a type that will ever agree to creating this kind of toxicity, as any allignment. Implying they are S/S implies they CHOSE to argue like that. No.

If they are bussing Ari, who are we to stop them?

[/spoiler]

[RadiantCowbells]

{cutest person}
{Skitter10, elephant}
{Iconeum}
{plums}
{Aristo, Xtoxm} -this is a null line
{Floppy disk}
{RCE, Tris, duckling, teacher}

[RadiantCowbells]

Skitter she wants to know why you're tring Flopz and RcE

[the worst]

rc why am i your top townread?!?!?!

[the worst]

sorry trying to keep things lighter : (
i'll go work

[skitter30]

These two posts here stand out to me. They are major town pings to me. In addition to what I have commented on.

i actually hated his sr on me there and i don't think that the first post is particularly ai

[skitter30]

and i'm trying not to teamread rn

[skitter30]

Skitter she wants to know why you're tring Flopz and RcE

flopz for how pissed he was at being scumread before he actually played, he seemed really disappointed

i don't actually know why i tr rce
i kinda liked how he approached me, it seems congruent with how he's read me in the past
(although i think he overthought how i would think about it lol)

i'm going to be honest and say that my mind is kinda drawing a massive blank wrt large portions of this game rn and i can't think of anything else he's done off of the top of my head that i liked, just that i liked them
when it comes back to me i will let u know

[MathBlade]

and i'm trying not to teamread rn

I am tired. Any last questions you have for me?

[skitter30]

who do u wanna lynch today?

[the worst]

flopz for how pissed he was at being scumread before he actually played, he seemed really disappointed

sorry to be contrarian but did you find this explicitly ai? i talked about this a bit in the channel and i really haven't been convinced that it's alignment indicative being upset about what he perceives to be the quality of team mafia here & not having an opportunity to play. like if i replaced into a dead slot that was being scumread widely i'd be pretty annoyed/disappointed as well in a lot of ways

similar here wrt rce - it just feels like he's a continuous good energy itt. he doesn't feel opportunistic, just curious and like he's taking in information and... considering the goings-on. rce has a rare high activity/highly contemplative style as town and i agree this looks like it

[RadiantCowbells]

Without saying either of us townread TW NSG thinks that it's a bad thing to pursue right now

[RadiantCowbells]

NSG also specifically thinks RCE/Teacher have SvS looking associatives which I somewhat agree with having had it brought up and they're also the slots outside of my listed scumpool which I think I individually have the highest odds of having read incorrectly due to having abandoned a previous scumread on RcE and having given Teacher a very easy scumread.

[MathBlade]

who do u wanna lynch today?

Part of me wants Ari because it gives a lot of answers we need, but that should wait until Ari responds.

Assuming Ari is town and/or not being lynched I honestly would have to see why.

If I am forced to lynch in RC or worst then I begrudgingly vote RC but that’s only if can’t talk about other reads.

[skitter30]

@flopz, you seem disgusted by the fact you are being scumread right now.

Do you think there are any good reasons for us to be townreading you?

I haven't done enough for anything to go either way which is why i'm so exhasperated for the calls for my head when all I've done is drop in and say hi.

maybe i'm just very bad with ate but this struck me as townie ^
it's not a super strong read but i don't wnt to go there rn

[skitter30]

NSG also specifically thinks RCE/Teacher have SvS looking associatives which I somewhat agree with having had it brought up and they're also the slots outside of my listed scumpool which I think I individually have the highest odds of having read incorrectly due to having abandoned a previous scumread on RcE and having given Teacher a very easy scumread.

huh i actually think that rce's early tr on teacher was anti-associative tbh

[RadiantCowbells]

I agree with you btw

Teacher is the scumread I most think is liable to be correct

[MathBlade]

@flopz, you seem disgusted by the fact you are being scumread right now.

Do you think there are any good reasons for us to be townreading you?

I haven't done enough for anything to go either way which is why i'm so exhasperated for the calls for my head when all I've done is drop in and say hi.

maybe i'm just very bad with ate but this struck me as townie ^
it's not a super strong read but i don't wnt to go there rn

You’re bad with ate tbh

I have made almost the exact same pitch as scum before.

Genuine doesn’t always equal town.

I have no doubts of the authenticity of the ate, it’s just scum can do it too

[skitter30]

who do u wanna lynch today?

Part of me wants Ari because it gives a lot of answers we need, but that should wait until Ari responds.

Assuming Ari is town and/or not being lynched I honestly would have to see why.

If I am forced to lynch in RC or worst then I begrudgingly vote RC but that’s only if can’t talk about other reads.

i guess roughly where i'm at ^
i would probably pick tw over rc today if gun-to-head i was forced to but i don't really want to pick a fight in that rn

also i need to sleep soon

[RadiantCowbells]

i guess roughly where i'm at ^
i would probably pick tw over rc today if gun-to-head i was forced to but i don't really want to pick a fight in that rn

The fact that you've said this

Makes me personally a lot more comfortable dropping it for now

If that's what you'd prefer we do

[skitter30]

i am very bad with ate, yeah
i usually need to like reread things with an irl delay
at the time i read it i thought it was very townie when i checked over his iso rn it didn't look/feel as townie as it did in real time

[skitter30]

I agree with you btw

Teacher is the scumread I most think is liable to be correct

we can push teacher

yes let's just drop the tw/ari thing until ari gets back on sunday

[the worst]

@flopz, you seem disgusted by the fact you are being scumread right now.

Do you think there are any good reasons for us to be townreading you?

I haven't done enough for anything to go either way which is why i'm so exhasperated for the calls for my head when all I've done is drop in and say hi.

maybe i'm just very bad with ate but this struck me as townie ^
it's not a super strong read but i don't wnt to go there rn

i think i see what you mean; there's a pretty rare kinda exasperation there which i think rings pure.

i guess fmpov i'm just not decided on whether that purity is more likely to come from town or not

agreed, probably better to give the slot time

[skitter30]

Also i'm starting to become a wee bit paranoid that i'm being buddied/pocketed given how i think literally everyone is townreading me
And how people are talking to me on this page

[RadiantCowbells]

Ok I have other games to read

I'm letting go of my Ari lockscum because I agree that it's based on not bad but like dangerous assumptions

I'm not gonna do a coherent readslist rn but the general gist is

Duck is still scum. Neither mine nor NSGs reasons changed. I even think his tone change when I backed off Ari is creepy as hell.
We're still town. We are gonna die very early. When we do, trust us when we say that neither of the members of that team claiming to scumread us would ever ever ever scumread us.

RCEnigmas towniest point in the game was their vote on the Ari wagon. The same is true of Iconeum. I don't actually feel RCE is likely to be scum. Pretty sure Ico ain't. So not good directions
Bella is also still town and for much the same reasons as previously given.
Flopz I'm townreading for bad reasons but idk if that makes it a bad read.
Tris I'm a lot less sure is gonna be scum than some other people are.
Plum on the other hand I don't really see a lot of reason to townread
Math has played well enough that he can win if scum.
Skitter just isn't scum.
Ari we'll see won't we!
Teacher, like I like the quick unvote of Skitter but there were a lot of weird votes then unvotes on Skitter and I think I may be interpreting some sort of weird plan as a genuine unvote. I have no other reason to TR him besides that.
What do I even say about Xtoxm

In this list

Assuming Ari is town

My impetus would be to say look in {Plum Teacher Duckling Flopz? Xtoxm} but not in that order.