Team Mafia 2020: Normal Game (Endgame)

[RadiantCowbells]

ari hates playing scum, has a strong tendency to lurk, and isn't really capable of giving cogent thoughts on the game or gamestate

This is what everyone believes and then Ari suddenly wins in lylo against one of the strongest towns ever assembled on MS.
I'm not saying he's *super likely* scum and I think that again the solution to scum!Ari is to lynch his scumpartners because it's real obvious that a lot of people aren't SvS with him

but uh Ari is, yeah.

hat’s not how any of this works....at all.

You can just as easily be covering with a scum buddy or TMIing.

See game where Titus bussed you for faking a guilty meta
And the person claiming info doesn’t always have to be the source.

So how about instead of talking mechanics we don’t know we get to reads?

Awesome.

My reads are already super, super clear to everyone and right now I'm trying to get through to Skitter because I think scum autoloses if we get this sorted out

[MathBlade]

Mathblade did you know that any particle in the world moving in a potential would seek out the path such the average kinetic energy minus the average potential energy is minimum?

I am a pure maths guy not applied. I didn’t do well in chemistry. So I don’t know. I could google and find out if that’s true or not but I am tired atm.

[RadiantCowbells]

I knew that.

[teacher]

his reads are evolving

Show work please (ari himself called them stagnant???)

[skitter30]

at the risk of being called pockety, if you work with me we just won't make it to lylo. there's a reason i've never made it to lylo as town from D1 besides Baton Pass (which, several mitigating factors)
not saying that to like brag or dick measuring contest, we just really can do this

if nsg ever shows up again and it's still in question maybe she can help show that we're town, idk.

yes i think that nsg being involved would make it easier for me to read you
i'm better at reading her than reading you
so if you can like ~prod~ her to be here that owuld be great

i'm willing to put this on the back burner today
and revisit this thought tomorrow
but i need it to be dealt with by like tomorrow night because i know myself and even if i don't want to go there i can predict what's going to happen even if that's not how i want to play it out
(i literally said a few games ago that if town!pk is in lylo i will probably vote him. we were in lylo. i voted him.)

or maybe i'll just die and this wont' be my problem anymore

[MathBlade]

Oh yay 5 pages in a day after 4 hours of driving! /sarcasm

Did anything important happen in those days?

hi im voting you

Okay? Why?

*confused look of bewilderment*

Explain your thoughts so I can read you because clearly something is weird. Lol

rvs
i just joined

Clearly. How about instead of what seems to be trolling you read and do something?

It is taking a lot of restraint of me not to policy people here and if the past few posts are any indication y’all are adding to the post count without adding anything worthwhile.

You’re also seriously voting the likely person scum tried to night kill so doesn’t get more conf than me probs without mod flip soooo.....

I am doing something, you seem agitated )':

Yes. I am.

Because I leave for a day only to come back to more spam and more bs and I just gah. This is a lot and it is draining.

[skitter30]

Saudade, is there really no game relevant commentary in you team thread?

can i have link to my team thread

are you on my team teacher

ok saudade is prob town

[RadiantCowbells]

but i need it to be dealt with by like tomorrow night because i know myself and even if i don't want to go there i can predict what's going to happen even if that's not how i want to play it out
(i literally said a few games ago that if town!pk is in lylo i will probably vote him. we were in lylo. i voted him.)

I get this given that I told everyone in Baton Pass if they didn't sheep me on Shoshin D1 she would win the game even though I lynched 2 people off of associatives with her and flipped both scum.
The whole like time sensitivity of reads thing, not sure how to explain further, but yeah.

[MathBlade]

ari hates playing scum, has a strong tendency to lurk, and isn't really capable of giving cogent thoughts on the game or gamestate

This is what everyone believes and then Ari suddenly wins in lylo against one of the strongest towns ever assembled on MS.
I'm not saying he's *super likely* scum and I think that again the solution to scum!Ari is to lynch his scumpartners because it's real obvious that a lot of people aren't SvS with him

but uh Ari is, yeah.

hat’s not how any of this works....at all.

You can just as easily be covering with a scum buddy or TMIing.

See game where Titus bussed you for faking a guilty meta
And the person claiming info doesn’t always have to be the source.

So how about instead of talking mechanics we don’t know we get to reads?

Awesome.

My reads are already super, super clear to everyone and right now I'm trying to get through to Skitter because I think scum autoloses if we get this sorted out

Great for those of us who haven’t read the spam of the past day what are they?

[RadiantCowbells]

I think that is a really dangerously easy townread to give him jsyk

idk how much experience you have with him but I have seen him win a lot of games as scum and he replaced my second strongest scumread

[Saudade]

Saudade, is there really no game relevant commentary in you team thread?

can i have link to my team thread

are you on my team teacher

ok saudade is prob town

im always prob town
until i smak u

[Saudade]

I think that is a really dangerously easy townread to give him jsyk

idk how much experience you have with him but I have seen him win a lot of games as scum and he replaced my second strongest scumread

you are a liar

[Saudade]

Oh yay 5 pages in a day after 4 hours of driving! /sarcasm

Did anything important happen in those days?

hi im voting you

Okay? Why?

*confused look of bewilderment*

Explain your thoughts so I can read you because clearly something is weird. Lol

rvs
i just joined

Clearly. How about instead of what seems to be trolling you read and do something?

It is taking a lot of restraint of me not to policy people here and if the past few posts are any indication y’all are adding to the post count without adding anything worthwhile.

You’re also seriously voting the likely person scum tried to night kill so doesn’t get more conf than me probs without mod flip soooo.....

I am doing something, you seem agitated )':

Yes. I am.

Because I leave for a day only to come back to more spam and more bs and I just gah. This is a lot and it is draining.

well I need to start somewhere and an rvs vote is the way to go I believe

[skitter30]

are you on my team teacher

Yea, you should also have a link to the scum or with me and Vork.

?

[MathBlade]

I think that is a really dangerously easy townread to give him jsyk

idk how much experience you have with him but I have seen him win a lot of games as scum and he replaced my second strongest scumread

Name one
And a town one.

I hate trying to read jokesters.

[MathBlade]

are you on my team teacher

Yea, you should also have a link to the scum or with me and Vork.

?

It’s trolling obviously.

[skitter30]

also keep in mind skitter that even if somehow scum manage to get away with keeping me alive when we massclaim it's *probably* going to be obvious the setup isn't balanced if I am not a TPR

this is a true point
ok we can deal with this tomorrow i think, if we're still both here

[teacher]

are you on my team teacher

Yea, you should also have a link to the scum or with me and Vork.

?

I was just having fun. “Or” should be “one” but fat fingers little screen....

[skitter30]

Skit - anything to 3977? I feel like yours is a pressure vote and I’m being told to dance, but I don’t know the tune.

i like this post

no

[MathBlade]

also keep in mind skitter that even if somehow scum manage to get away with keeping me alive when we massclaim it's *probably* going to be obvious the setup isn't balanced if I am not a TPR

this is a true point
ok we can deal with this tomorrow i think, if we're still both here

Why are you assuming today will be a mislynch?

VOTE: Skitter30

[teacher]

Actually phone autocorrects pt to or.

[RadiantCowbells]

Great for those of us who haven’t read the spam of the past day what are they?

{RC RCE Mathblade Iconeum Skitter30 Flopz} town

{Bella} I believe to be town but this is the least like dynamic and invested of my reads and is very easily wrong
{Ari} I'm strongly on the fence on and I think that he will be really obviously one alignment or the other once we see who the scum are
{Teacher/Xtoxm} Both of them are some weird shade of null, I really have no meaningful read on Xtoxm, I think Teacher is scum if Ari is town and V/V most likely ?

{Plum/Tris} I think have probably been both scum the entire game and we saw it really early and just haven't gotten around to lynching it yet.
Like I think they are objectively the two worst slots in the game

I feel more sure on Plum atm because even Shos's entrance I kinda hate already and like I guess I had some townfeels on Tris but Tris just had some weird progressions
I won't like tell you to lynch Sau if you townread him but I think that balance of probabilities the both of them are scum

[RadiantCowbells]

also keep in mind skitter that even if somehow scum manage to get away with keeping me alive when we massclaim it's *probably* going to be obvious the setup isn't balanced if I am not a TPR

this is a true point
ok we can deal with this tomorrow i think, if we're still both here

like if you try to see it from my point of view you should understand why I as town end up claiming where I do to just get everyone willing to be on the same page as me and to not have to try to pull some sort of dumb shenanigans to try to live to d2

whereas i still like fail to see how anyone thinks that it makes sense for me to randomly claim investigative as scum

[skitter30]

-on you, I believe there is a deep wolf (or two) in this game. I don’t think it’s math. I think there’s about equal chance of RC/RCE, which is why I’ve got the pending question to RCE. I think you could *possibly* be scum with RC, but are unlikely to be by yourself. In other words, I townread you, but with paranoia (less paranoia than on RC).

-math has been hard pushing Ari. RCE is pushing RC, but calling ari openwolf. That’s two of my townreads calling out a slot that has been difficult to lynch and that I don’t see putting out content.

- on stronger scumreads, I’m not the type to fake it. I feel good about my towns, but there are way too many slots just being allowed to skate by. If we get content out of shos/saudade/xtomx and Bella, I will start feeling stronger.

- because everyone’s blah on me but I’m being enough of a presbence to be discussed, but not really considered (yet)

Pedit: began this when skits post I am responding to was the most recent thing.

i think math is tunneled on ari. and rce thinks rc/ari is a thing which i think obviously doesn't make sense. like what do you thinka bout the rc/ari situation ???
and again do you have an independant read on ari or?

and that's what i'm saying wrt shos/saudade/xtoxm/bella/almost you, that if we cocnentrate on ari/rc/me/math/whatever we're never going to get content out of them, i think that pressuring the lurkers is a much more productive use of our time than deathtunneling ari or me deathtunneling rc

who do you think is most liekly scum in that group and why?

also i'm feeling blah on you so that's why i'm starting this dialogue ...

[teacher]

@rc I agree with the townblock, especially the inclusion of Ico. Flopz I’m weaker on, but including due to the ease of wagon and response. I’d like more out of that slot. But if we can get all those players onto a single wagon today I think it will be good.