Open 773: Masons and Mafia: RVS Awards (GAME OVER)

[Egix96]

Ugh I dozed off on page 20. I will be able to catch up tomorrow because tomorrow is Fri-yay, but in the interest of getting my paw more into the game:

VOTE: Egix

is a fine vote

246 seems like posting for the sake of posting.

401 is a lot of words but not many stances. Egix, what's your read on Auro and Klick (presently, not when you wrote this post)?

I feel pretty good about TSE, Ysh, and ML.

Just because I made a daily catchup post that ended up being mostly smalltalk? Okay.
Honestly Auro/Klick (each of them) could go either way. The issue with Auro is that he is a natural when it comes to wolfing, but I don't have enough familiarity with his towngame to know whether or not certain things I've seen him do as scum, he would do as town as well.
Whe I Iso-ed Klick he actually had about half as many posts as I was expecting (19 iirc at the time, my impression from actually reading the thread was that he would have about 40). Make of that what you will.

And yet,
VOTE: Egix
Time to consolidate.

With 5.5 days left?

[Auro]

At the time I posted that, Hectic hadn't updated his post about the dayvig yet, it was some gibberish symbols.

[Auro]

I don't have enough familiarity with his towngame to know whether or not certain things I've seen him do as scum, he would do as town as well.

This seems to imply that you find certain patterns in my play which you've seen in my scumgames, but are unsure whether they're actually AI, and thus don't scumread me. Can you list out these things?

[Auro]

At the time I posted that, Hectic hadn't updated his post about the dayvig yet, it was some gibberish symbols.

Oh. 5.5 previous day - yeah, not compromise, consolidate.

[Klick]

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~selfmeta~

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Okay pops can be town

[Klick]

{Pops, Suji, Egix, Woodchuck} 4/4

Talk to me about Suji?
I actually like his content

[Klick]

Ahhh ML is Enter, that explains a lot.

[Klick]

VOTE: Egix
Choo choo!

[Egix96]

I don't have enough familiarity with his towngame to know whether or not certain things I've seen him do as scum, he would do as town as well.

This seems to imply that you find certain patterns in my play which you've seen in my scumgames, but are unsure whether they're actually AI, and thus don't scumread me. Can you list out these things?

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Auro smells a bit off. Too much off-topic stuff or jokes.

This pop-in is so bad.

Actually scrolling back through your iso I think this is the only recent post of yours I have an issue with. Hmmmm

[Auro]

You disagree that the pop in is bad?

[Auro]

Talk to me about Suji

I will, in a bit

[Egix96]

You disagree that the pop in is bad?

No??
What I mean is, when you're town and someone says something bad about you, is your immediate thought to just go "Nope! What you're doing is bad."? It feels like you're trying to shut down dissent.

[Egix96]

What gives me pause though is that you'd probably say the same thing even if Chuck was talking about someone else.

[Auro]

Dissent isn't bad, but the particular accusation thrown was bad. It was the only thing he said, and it's pretty obvious to anyone who read the thread that I have a lot more serious content than "jokes".

[woodchuck321]

Woodchuck seems intent on making himself seem like a favorable lynch.

Nah, just busy IRL so it's hard to catch up sometimes.

Hot topic of discussion is scumtell statistics
How many instances of a certain behaviour should you observe in scum vs town games in someone's meta for it to be definitive evidence?
Pops and Woodchuck say 30, I think that's incorrect intuitively, in that that thumb rule doesn't apply in this case

Mathematically it's 30 to do a valid statistical analysis. You can make educated guesses based on any number, but there's no guarantee they'll be accurate. Also it's hard to solidly apply statistical rules to wishy-washy areas like scumreading.

Auro smells a bit off. Too much off-topic stuff or jokes.

This pop-in is so bad.

Actually scrolling back through your iso I think this is the only recent post of yours I have an issue with. Hmmmm[/quote]

I did a quick read back through your posts Auro and at the time about 30% of them were some manner of joke or off-topic conversation

Also, I'm fine with

VOTE: Egix

[woodchuck321]

erm, i fudged up the quote there, but i think you get the point

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Woodchuck seems intent on making himself seem like a favorable lynch.

Nah, just busy IRL so it's hard to catch up sometimes.

Hot topic of discussion is scumtell statistics
How many instances of a certain behaviour should you observe in scum vs town games in someone's meta for it to be definitive evidence?
Pops and Woodchuck say 30, I think that's incorrect intuitively, in that that thumb rule doesn't apply in this case

Mathematically it's 30 to do a valid statistical analysis. You can make educated guesses based on any number, but there's no guarantee they'll be accurate. Also it's hard to solidly apply statistical rules to wishy-washy areas like scumreading.

Auro smells a bit off. Too much off-topic stuff or jokes.

This pop-in is so bad.

Actually scrolling back through your iso I think this is the only recent post of yours I have an issue with. Hmmmm

I did a quick read back through your posts Auro and at the time about 30% of them were some manner of joke or off-topic conversation

Also, I'm fine with

VOTE: Egix[/quote]

I think we should lynch one of Pops/ML tomorrow.
VOTE: Egix

[popsofctown]

I was a little relieved I could answer Sujimichi's question from earlier with Almsbringer dead but it maybe touches on other mason equities.

Auro taking an unusual comment I made and asking "do you only make that comment as scum" when it is totally and equally likely I only make the comment as town is the scummiest thing that has happened in this game, because it is mimicry of scumhunting but functions specifically on which alignment he needs for me to be.

Copying my vote would be way better life choices than this Egix thing, which will disrupt the dog cat balance of the thread until such a time as we kill CSF, and her underpayment catch up was pretty towny to me.

Woodchuck's factual incorrectness about Auro's actual level of humor is maybe besides the point of the spirit of the idea that he's been engaging in the thread a lot a lot a lot without doing a large proportion that warrants a strong townread and I've come down to believing he's an experienced player running a strong circus rather than town who is giving us a lot naturally.

[popsofctown]

in the sense that Auro is at minimum decently good at town I don't want to kill him early but in the sense that I suspect scumgame's lynch resilience is a boss with 3 health bars that is likely my loss condition I want to gladiate him

[popsofctown]

I would like to be allowed to continue to believe Miss Lynch is Cephrir

[Auro]

Suji, is your current read on me still the same as before?

[Auro]

because it is mimicry of scumhunting but functions specifically on which alignment he needs for me to be.

I don't quite grok the latter part, Pops. Can you explain it?

I can't call you town based on this, because your saying it as town makes it NAI; and if I want to present it as a scumtell I'll have to present evidence, which can easily be seen through if it's misleading; especially if I'm scum who knows you're town making it highly unlikely I can find any evidence at all. In short, this provides no potential weight whatsoever to an alignment read on you from a scum!Auro perspective.

As town, just the fact that it's an "unusual comment" is enough for me to spend a trivial amount of time checking it across your games; even though it's *likely* you say it as town, it is still *plausible* that it's statistically a phrasing you commonly pick up as scum, no? So is spending that effort there, given I already suspect you're scum, worthless? Asking you about it just gives you the chance to instantly stop that line of exploration, this saving time for me. "function of which alignment he needs me to be" doesn't make sense.

What makes for a "strong townread"? If you think my scungame's lynch resilience is that high, it suggests you believe that as scum I know what to do to get town read enough to make my lynch harder. Am I being generically towny but it's something I can emulate as scum thus not warranting "strong townreads" , or do you believe my content itself isn't towny on an objective level?

[Auro]

Copying my vote would be way better life choices than this Egix thing, which will disrupt the dog cat balance of the thread until such a time as we kill CSF, and her underpayment catch up was pretty towny to me.

Do you have a read on Egix? Can you explain it?

[popsofctown]

I think you slightly misapprehend my point in that the malicious motive I'm mainly interested in is "Auro's desire to look town and not die", not "Auro's desire to successfully get pops mislynched." The ways it will be ineffectual would be really relevant if I was focused on the second one, but my concern is about the first one.


Lynch resilience isn't only about being townread. There are other factors. One of them is capability to mislynch your detractors which is what I think you're going to pull off on me unless I can spell this out for people well enough.

I am not sure how many people are townreading you right now.

pedit: I don't have a heavy read on Egix, since he doesn't have lots of content. I gave him a relook since there's so little of him, and he has a believable reason for sharing my TSE townread so I like that.

[popsofctown]

To clarify I don't really think it is likely I get lynched today
I will probably have done something funky by day 2 or 3 or so though
such is the style of the Gria