Open 773: Masons and Mafia: RVS Awards (GAME OVER)

Auro · Post Post #1175 (ISO) » Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:23 am

In post 1173, Miss Lane wrote:I'd like to point out that the only argument made against me or Sujimi (as far as I can tell) has been an argument of BoP

No. Suji's reasoning has been bad, her pushes have been bad, her actions have been scummy. This is not a BoP argument.

Miss Lane · Post Post #1176 (ISO) » Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:24 am

In post 1174, Auro wrote:
In post 1165, Sujimichi wrote:Why are you ignoring the actual argument for looking on the lynch?
There is no argument. As I said, one scum being on wagon doesn't imply you look on the lynch.

Miss Lynch, you misunderstand. Sure, scum can be on the wagon. The idea that you hence look "on the wagon" is problematic.

We townbloc and lynch the highest equity scum (this also insures against an incorrect townbloc).

I think you just approach the game differently from Suji. I haven't seen any reason why their approach is "problematic" other than your opinion. I don't see a solid reason why you'd oppose approaching the game the way they are proposing we approach it. There are 9 days before deadline. Arguing about approach seems a bit ridiculous, especially when you can seem to find even a somewhat decent reason to oppose it.

TrueSoulEnergy · Post Post #1177 (ISO) » Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:24 am

In post 1171, Miss Lane wrote:
In post 1162, Auro wrote:Sure, it's likely there's one scum on the wagon (and I think it's Pops), but there's equal likelihood of scum outside the wagon as well; so "vote within the wagon" is incorrect.
Wrong. If you are town and not on the Egix wagon, there is a 100% likelihood that scum is on that wagon. The other two players off the wagon could be town, so there is a <100% chance of scum being on the wagon, therefore the likelihood of finding scum on the wagon > the likelihood of finding scum off the wagon numerically speaking.

This applies to the Egix wagon because it doesn't seem like a scum generated push; it was an entirely reasonable wagon. And that's strengthened by the fact that flipped Masons scumread him too.
This argument has no relation to whether or not there is scum on the wagon numerically speaking.

1) this is why I Bolded it sweetheart.
Learn to use you brain not your toes.
Auro was saying that there is probably 1 scum in the wagon but there is more outside of it.
Like we have a better chance of lynching scum outside of the wagon.

IDK how in the actual FUCK you thought he said there was no mafia at all on the Egix wagon.

2) maybe it has no relation. But the wagon was the right town push. Don’t you fuckin dare say it wasn’t.
In fact, Auro’s reasoning there was Townie enough for you to at least actually point that out.

Miss Lane · Post Post #1178 (ISO) » Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:25 am

In post 1175, Auro wrote:
In post 1173, Miss Lane wrote:I'd like to point out that the only argument made against me or Sujimi (as far as I can tell) has been an argument of BoP
No. Suji's reasoning has been bad, her pushes have been bad, her actions have been scummy. This is not a BoP argument.

Her most recent reasoning seems in line with a relatively logical approach to the game. I'll have to look closer at her pushes and her actions, but I don't know that I've seen anything I dislike from her more than I dislike from Klick.

Miss Lane · Post Post #1179 (ISO) » Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:25 am

TSE stop calling me sweetheart.

TrueSoulEnergy · Post Post #1180 (ISO) » Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:26 am

In post 1173, Miss Lane wrote:I'd like to point out that the only argument made against me or Sujimi (as far as I can tell) has been an argument of BoP, and no one in this player list has played a significant amount of games with me, and from what I've seen, no one has played a significant amount of games w/ Sujimi, this seems a bit ridiculous FMPOV.

WRONG.
I’ve played a game
With Suji with them being Town and 1 with them Mafia.

This is 100% in their scum range.

Miss Lane · Post Post #1181 (ISO) » Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:26 am

I guarantee I will bring up harassment claims against you if you do it again.

TrueSoulEnergy · Post Post #1182 (ISO) » Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:26 am

In post 1179, Miss Lane wrote:TSE stop calling me sweetheart.

Ok sweetheart.

TrueSoulEnergy · Post Post #1183 (ISO) » Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:27 am

In post 1175, Auro wrote:
In post 1173, Miss Lane wrote:I'd like to point out that the only argument made against me or Sujimi (as far as I can tell) has been an argument of BoP
No. Suji's reasoning has been bad, her pushes have been bad, her actions have been scummy. This is not a BoP argument.

I agree with this 100%.

Auro · Post Post #1184 (ISO) » Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:28 am

In post 1176, Miss Lane wrote:I think you just approach the game differently from Suji

Indeed, but I'm not suspecting her based on her playstyle.

Miss Lane · Post Post #1185 (ISO) » Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:28 am

In post 1184, Auro wrote:
In post 1176, Miss Lane wrote:I think you just approach the game differently from Suji
Indeed, but I'm not suspecting her based on her playstyle.

Sure, but you're opposing her reasoning based on her playstyle.

Auro · Post Post #1186 (ISO) » Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:30 am

What does that even mean? I'm calling out bad reasoning based on the bad reasons, not on playstyle, you're making little sense.

TrueSoulEnergy · Post Post #1187 (ISO) » Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:30 am

In post 1178, Miss Lane wrote:
In post 1175, Auro wrote:
In post 1173, Miss Lane wrote:I'd like to point out that the only argument made against me or Sujimi (as far as I can tell) has been an argument of BoP
No. Suji's reasoning has been bad, her pushes have been bad, her actions have been scummy. This is not a BoP argument.
Her most recent reasoning seems in line with a relatively logical approach to the game. I'll have to look closer at her pushes and her actions, but I don't know that I've seen anything I dislike from her more than I dislike from Klick.

Klick’s Town.
You won’t manipulate us.

We are the SUPERSQUAD

TrueSoulEnergy - Mister Galactic Mastermind
Klick - Electrical Current
Auro - Swift Deity
CSF - The Alpha Cat

Together we are the SUPERSQUAD

We all acknowledge each other as town.
And we won’t be manipulated by scum.
We will take down scum and take this win!

TrueSoulEnergy · Post Post #1188 (ISO) » Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:31 am

In post 1186, Auro wrote:What does that even mean? I'm calling out bad reasoning based on the bad reasons, not on playstyle, you're making little sense.

Yet you still believe their town.

Miss Lane · Post Post #1189 (ISO) » Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:33 am

In post 1186, Auro wrote:What does that even mean? I'm calling out bad reasoning based on the bad reasons, not on playstyle, you're making little sense.

It's not bad reasoning though. O_O

TrueSoulEnergy · Post Post #1190 (ISO) » Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:33 am

We have a NEW TEAM OF MASONS ON THE BLOCK!!!!

It’s Me, Auro, CSF and Klick.

And we’re a lot stronger then the original.
We are the SUPERSQUAD!

TrueSoulEnergy · Post Post #1191 (ISO) » Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:34 am

In post 1189, Miss Lane wrote:
In post 1186, Auro wrote:What does that even mean? I'm calling out bad reasoning based on the bad reasons, not on playstyle, you're making little sense.
It's not bad reasoning though. O_O

Why do you think that?

Spoiler:

Auro · Post Post #1192 (ISO) » Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:36 am

@TSE: there have been towntells from the slot; and from the way she posts I don't feel like her reasoning is outside townrange. In your experience, have they been reasonable/sensible as town such that this current gameplay is suggestive of scum?

Cat Scratch Fever · Post Post #1193 (ISO) » Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:36 am

In post 1110, Sujimichi wrote:
In post 1100, Auro wrote:
In post 1095, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:Pops Defence on Suji.
ML’s vote on a Mason with Suji
I think town!Suji is pretty sensible as a player, her attack on Aldehyde was bad. Read the case about "leading questions". Read my response explaining how context explains those questions and his unvoting a few posts later weakens the case. Then read her response saying "agree to disagree" or something like that.
It was early in the game for me, and I was trying to establish my reads. I did not read you as Town at the time of your comment, so I took in what you said but I did not wish to debate it. You were correct in that trying to form associations was not the best for this type of game as I took associations as Mafia when they ended up being Masons. This is why I said I was mistaken in my process and I needed to re-evaluate (which I still do). This game has moved extremely quickly for me, and I am busy on weekends. Please allow me time to catch up either tomorrow or Monday.

Why did you think Auro was scum as opposed to town who disagreed with your read?

TrueSoulEnergy · Post Post #1194 (ISO) » Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:37 am

In post 1192, Auro wrote:@TSE: there have been towntells from the slot; and from the way she posts I don't feel like her reasoning is outside townrange. In your experience, have they been reasonable/sensible as town such that this current gameplay is suggestive of scum?

More like they acted like this in their last scum game.

TrueSoulEnergy · Post Post #1195 (ISO) » Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:37 am

In post 1193, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
In post 1110, Sujimichi wrote:
In post 1100, Auro wrote:
In post 1095, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:Pops Defence on Suji.
ML’s vote on a Mason with Suji
I think town!Suji is pretty sensible as a player, her attack on Aldehyde was bad. Read the case about "leading questions". Read my response explaining how context explains those questions and his unvoting a few posts later weakens the case. Then read her response saying "agree to disagree" or something like that.
It was early in the game for me, and I was trying to establish my reads. I did not read you as Town at the time of your comment, so I took in what you said but I did not wish to debate it. You were correct in that trying to form associations was not the best for this type of game as I took associations as Mafia when they ended up being Masons. This is why I said I was mistaken in my process and I needed to re-evaluate (which I still do). This game has moved extremely quickly for me, and I am busy on weekends. Please allow me time to catch up either tomorrow or Monday.
Why did you think Auro was scum as opposed to town who disagreed with your read?

Welcome Alpha Cat.

To the SUPER table.

Auro · Post Post #1196 (ISO) » Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:39 am

In post 1194, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:More like they acted like this in their last scum game.

When you say "like this" can you go into specifics if possible?
Do you have a towngame of theirs to compare?

TrueSoulEnergy · Post Post #1197 (ISO) » Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:39 am

Electrical Current (Klick) and Swift Deity (Auro)
Are part of our SUPER SQUAD
So Alpha Cat, now that all 4 of us are now the new Masons.

Who is most likely scum out of Suji, Blood Wiplash, Pops and Chemist?

TrueSoulEnergy · Post Post #1198 (ISO) » Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:40 am

Soon in time the rest of the Villians will get their names.
Chemist, Pops and Suji.
What should their Villian names be I wonder.

TrueSoulEnergy · Post Post #1199 (ISO) » Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:41 am

In post 1196, Auro wrote:
In post 1194, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:More like they acted like this in their last scum game.
When you say "like this" can you go into specifics if possible?
Do you have a towngame of theirs to compare?

No.
That’s why I’m more confident on Suji flipping Mafia now compared to Blood Wiplasher.
Because I can compare Suji but not Blood Wiplasher.

The only game I was in with Blood Wiplasher they were third party scum.