Open 773: Masons and Mafia: RVS Awards (GAME OVER)

[Auro]

TSE, another towntell for Miss Lynch - I think as scum she'd focus more on pushing slots and spreading paranoia over purely defending Suji. She's not making -strong- attacks anywhere else. At maximum, she said Klick had less content and was more likely scum than Suji.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Aw.
The word Alpha Cat is sorta cut out.

And Mastermind.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

TSE, another towntell for Miss Lynch - I think as scum she'd focus more on pushing slots and spreading paranoia over purely defending Suji. She's not making -strong- attacks anywhere else. At maximum, she said Klick had less content and was more likely scum than Suji.

She also accused you.

[Auro]

And backed down from that attack pretty quick, no? With the level of conviction she presents in the game she could absolutely have continued to tunnel.

[Auro]

Pops, I'm curious - what do you think of my abilities as a town player? I'd like a honest answer. I won't be offended

[popsofctown]

Wow
That was all four shots right?

Wait you were under the impression that scum get only four shots?!

I was, to me that's how it seemed the rules were written.

@Miss Lynch do you think cheeky is scum?

This brightened my day and it hasn't been a great one thanks for this.

Miss Lynch ignores the fact that the timing of Cheeky's woodchuck slot (it was 99% her, or even otherwise, the shot itself no matter who took it) had no relation to the gamestate at the time. Cheeky simply took shots when she thought someone was Mason.

The woodchuck shot had even

less

clear relation to the chuckstate of how clear he was mason, much earlier posts would seem far more relevant for determining he is scum.
I think it makes way more sense to humbly say there was something about the gamestate, but it's not clear without knowing the scumteam.

Yeah this slot needs to die.

VOTE: ML

It’s probably this, Pops and Suji.

Your reads are so good. Did you push Egix to lynch, too?

Didn't you just name Klick and Egix as great candidates for scum just a page ago?

Like no one's to blame for Egix's lynch. Egix being unreadable because of his poor effort at playing the game when he actually can is totally on him.

This is such a scummy way to frame D1. Egix was very much playing.

Without regard to the validity of your point, why do you think I would "know this is a bad idea?" Further, why do you "think town!Suji is pretty sensible as a player?" As far as I recollect, we have not played a game together.

I can infer from your posts, I occasionally check out parts of other games, I've seen you being nommed for Rising Star, etc.

Bad, I stated in this thread that Sujimichi is a goddess amongst the mortals and that data point is more valuable than all these other data points combined because I am a beacon of insights.
smh

Miss Lynch, if you lynch me and I flip town, will you follow my desired lynch(es) in the following days?

Are you willing to sheep my lynch today and then lynch me tomorrow if it flips town?

Why did you say this when we potentially do not have a next phase?

We

mostly

do? If I understand the setup correctly, on a mislynch today, players could race to the thread and yolo-vote one player immediately, possibly achieving a lynch before any scum log on or forcing a scum who isn't the victim to perform a shot (which is doubly dangerous, on a miss both the original wagon target and the scum who missed would die and it becomes a 1 scum game.

I'd like to point out that the only argument made against me or Sujimi (as far as I can tell) has been an argument of BoP, and no one in this player list has played a significant amount of games with me, and from what I've seen, no one has played a significant amount of games w/ Sujimi, this seems a bit ridiculous FMPOV.

I've played with her thrice.

Let me preface this by saying that single game meta is a bad sole reason to town or scum read anyone in a mafia game outside of early day 1, and especially in potential Mylo. That said, I skimmed Suji's recent scum game and recent town game and found too few similarities between either to support a scum read on them except in the most dire circumstances. The scum game bring used lasted only 9 days and seems to be a mechanically run game - a game where posting a mere 30 times in 13 pages isn't really a whole lot to write home about, and a game where a player who seems to not be making much of an impression at all will likely fly mostly under the radar. In addition, Suji's posting in that game seem to be largely concerned with her scum buddy, with mastina coming up in roughly 70% of her posts. I don't see a correlation here with her and cheeky. In fact, she mentions Cheeky almost not at all. Combine this with the fact that her most recent town game she also posted largely like this - the only notable lacking factor from my skin is that she's less aggressive and controlling in this game - could be explained by a plethora of reasons. Fearmongering over Suji's play in this instance does not seem like a good move to make, especially when there are 9 days left to allow a more reasonable approach to make an impact.

If you didn't examine this game closely it is potentially really relevant that that game had a special mechanic where mastina got to be a scum dayvig (which is extremely town indicative in a micro) but was guaranteed to die n2 and flip scum (with no explanation) so I would think that strongly incentivizes you to interact with the scumpartner.

What's an absol?

Absol is a pokemon. It is cosmetically very appealing. Its abilities, at least when it was first released, are underwhelming and don't tie together into the clearest purposes ever which is why I found the question really funny.

@Pops/Chemist: would you vote Suji? If not, why not?

If not why, why not: because you are supporting the lynch
Would you vote for Suji: maaaaaaybe. I don't feel like she's townspewed since early day 1 and I agree that asking for us to look on wagon without even beginning to steer the onwagon crosshairs seems off.
Unlike Egix I don't think this could be bussing-Auro so the more necessary element is for me to possibly be willing to vote Suji is changing my mind about Auro or being assured that he'd be vengelynched for mislynching Sujimichi. Neither seems really likely. Actually the more I think about it it's possible my win condition for this game is posting bizarre things designed to somehow cause Auro to shoot a VT.

Pops, I'm curious - what do you think of my abilities as a town player? I'd like a honest answer. I won't be offended

I think you're like, slightly above average maybe. I think you're not as good at generating a protown gamestate but have good solving.

Auro scumcases Sujimichi

A lot of this is really reasonable and plausible. I feel like I can buy a lot of what is being sold here anytime you're town. Anytime you're scum it's just a good concoction.

Can you tell me, why have you scumread me more than Sujimichi all game when this seems much more coherent than your stances on me?
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I am feeling way worse about ML's slot today. Auro's defense of her doesn't seem to have as much foundation as it needs. I think maybe there is just an Auro/Miss Lynch/(CSF>Klick) scumteam. Lynching Sujimichi into Chemist, as one of the plausible-looking outcomes right now, would be a loss for that.

[Auro]

If not why, why not: because you are supporting the lynch

Haha

[Auro]

Can you tell me, why have you scumread me more than Sujimichi all game when this seems much more coherent than your stances on me?

You'll get a wall-case, after we lynch Suji!

[Auro]

Klick, TSE, CSF town
Miss Lynch I don't know.
Pops, Suji, Chemist is my current guess for the scumteam

Auro to what extent are you good at mafia where I should BoP you on a really bad solve
Not a leading question treat it goodfaithy please

You also admit Suji hasn't been towntelling... Which means there was no real reason to townread her even at that point, and you wouldn't vote her only because I'm pushing her. I'm sure you'll say the same about Chemist, too.

Given that, 869 seems to make little sense from you. I don't see why you felt it was such a "really bad solve" that I might have to be BoP'd.

[popsofctown]

Klick, TSE, CSF town
Miss Lynch I don't know.
Pops, Suji, Chemist is my current guess for the scumteam

Auro to what extent are you good at mafia where I should BoP you on a really bad solve
Not a leading question treat it goodfaithy please

You also admit Suji hasn't been towntelling... Which means there was no real reason to townread her even at that point, and you wouldn't vote her only because I'm pushing her. I'm sure you'll say the same about Chemist, too.

Given that, 869 seems to make little sense from you. I don't see why you felt it was such a "really bad solve" that I might have to be BoP'd.

869 predates Sujimichi's day 2 posts?!?!? pls no time travel BoP

I think you are being much more presumptuous with my purposes with 869 than you should be, I thought it'd be interesting to see how you responded to the question. FMPOV at the time, "my town role PM" + "one of very few people in thread to townread my town role PM" + "very easy lynch" looked lol to me and even though the last one could definitely be scum and the second one could maybe be it sparked the idea to ask that question.

[Auro]

869 predates Sujimichi's day 2 posts?!?!? pls no time travel BoP

I know it did. I inferred that you didn't have any real reason to townread her then too, and then made my argument.

[popsofctown]

869 predates Sujimichi's day 2 posts?!?!? pls no time travel BoP

I know it did. I inferred that you didn't have any real reason to townread her then too, and then made my argument.

It was never a strong townread, but I did have some minor reasons to townread her. You can't just say things and make them so.

[Chemist1422]

VoteCount 1.6

RVS Award for

Huh, Fair Enough

goes to...

Ayy, i dont believe in Rv so i am going to vote mafia, since its towny to vote mafia

VOTE: CloudKicker

CheekyTeeky [4]

- Cat Scratch Fever, Auro, Yshtola Rhul, woodchuck321

TrueSoulEnergy [2]

- Alduskkel, Chemist1422

Auro [1]

- Egix96

woodchuck [1]

- CheekyTeeky

Klick [1]

- TrueSoulEnergy

Alduskkel [1]

- Miss Lynch

Not Voting [3]

- popsofctown, Homura, Klick

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day will end when the timer hits zero:

(expired on 2020-03-04 17:42:53)

VoteCount 1.9

RVS Award for

Fair Randomness

goes to...

Vote: Usernamenotincluded

Um, i that's the forum code i learned from another forum, i hope that bolds alright. Points for trying?
Yeah, i don't have a random number generator, so i just punched random buttons in the calculator you can get off the start menu and used the last digit. Since there's 9 people, capricious was both 9 and 0....

Vote: popsofctown

for his biased, shameful, indignant voting system

crap... i realized right after i posted it... Capricious is gonna vote me. But you other 8 got the good end of the stick so you won't vote for me right?
Heh, i'm happy i got my voting right.

CheekyTeeky [3]

- Cat Scratch Fever, Yshtola Rhul, woodchuck321

Homura [2]

- Klick, Auro

TrueSoulEnergy [1]

- Chemist1422

Auro [1]

- Egix96

woodchuck [1]

- CheekyTeeky

Klick [1]

- TrueSoulEnergy

Alduskkel [1]

- Miss Lynch

Egix [1]

- Alduskkel

Not Voting [2]

- popsofctown, Homura

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day will end when the timer hits zero:

(expired on 2020-03-04 17:42:53)

VoteCount 1.10

RVS Award for

Best Randomness

goes to...

The Dart Board gives me a

vote of MeMe

Hey, everyone!

Random Vote: Lemming

.

Hey, everyone!

Random Vote: Lemming

.

fix your randomizer it is broken

The Dart Board gives me a

vote of MeMe

Fix your dart board. It is broken.

Sujimichi [3]

- Klick, Auro, Yshtola Rhul

CheekyTeeky [2]

- Cat Scratch Fever, woodchuck321

Alduskkel [2]

- Miss Lynch, popsofctown

TrueSoulEnergy [1]

- Chemist1422

Auro [1]

- Egix96

woodchuck [1]

- CheekyTeeky

Klick [1]

- TrueSoulEnergy

Egix [1]

- Alduskkel

Not Voting [1]

- Sujimichi

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day will end when the timer hits zero:

(expired on 2020-03-04 17:42:53)

let's talk about these votecounts

[Klick]

Let's see...
The only particularly interesting interaction between the first two that I can see is that Auro switched off the meme Cheeky wagon onto Homura. I doubt scum!Auro spends early game solely bussing? So that would imply Auro/Suji isn't SvS (but that seems obvious by play anyway).
The three wagons with more than one vote on them in 1.10 are Suji, Cheeky (scum) and Aldus (Mason). Both Cheeky votes are remnants of the meme wagon. Me/Auro/Yshtola wagoned Homura and then Homura immediately replaced out. ML/pops... It's decently likely at least one scum decided to go for Aldus?

I guess the main question there is 'what was scum doing early game', and the votes seem to imply the answer 'not a lot' unless Miss Lynch- and pops-scum tried to get something going on Aldus or something.

What were you thinking?

[Chemist1422]

see that's a level of thinking I'm incapable of at 7:30 AM

I was just thinking "suji was the counterwagon to cheeky so suji is town and klick/auro has a scum"

[Klick]

Ah, fair enough
I find it difficult to treat the Cheeky wagon like a normal wagon considering Cheeky hadn't really posted and it was a bunch of people going 'lol let's vote Cheeky'
It felt to me like the two serious wagons at the time were Homura and Aldus.

[Klick]

But then you get into the nitty gritty of what a wagon is and Aldus only had two votes on him lol.

[Auro]

You wanted a Suji case and I gave one - thoughts?

[Klick]

It's too much to parse on the train home give me half an hour to get in and settled and I'll have a look.
I've had my parents over for the week since this game started and they've just left. I should be able to be more active now that I'm not around them 24/7

[Auro]

let's talk about these votecounts

Yes, perhaps we can have a look at your position in those VCs.

[Miss Lane]

I need to hear some pretty solid reasoning as to why you feel worse about my slot today pops.

[Miss Lane]

It could be as simple as suji pops klick, I think.

[Miss Lane]

I am becoming more and more sold on Auro town as the game goes on and as I continue to ISO people.

[Miss Lane]

I'm on with town locking Auro and TSE at this point. I'm having a really difficult time seeing Auro as scum. I think CSF is effectively also in this group.

[Miss Lane]

I am ok with lynching pops today. I need to look a lot harder at Klick and I need to examine Auro's Suji case more closely before I can PoE the last one out.