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[Plotinus]

Official Vote Count 1.08

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Lynching

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

TrueSoulEnergy

(2): LuckyLuciano, CheekyTeeky

CheekyTeeky

(2): Tapiocaphobe, TrueSoulEnergy

Ph0enix

(1): QuantumQuasar

QuantumQuasar

(1): Ph0enix

Karnage

(1): Titus

LuckyLuciano

(1): Homura

Tapiocaphobe

(1): Karnage

Not Voting

(0):

None.

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-03-07 22:45:00).

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[Plotinus]

Tapiocaphobe² has been prodded and has (expired on 2020-03-05 03:19:05) to post before I start looking for a replacement.

[Ph0enix]

Phoenix is the second scum btw.

Great, you went from a null read on me in 221 to outright calling me scum in 228. What made you change your opinion so suddenly? There's literally an hour and a half between the two posts. I doubt my 224 is the thing that swayed you. If you are straight up calling someone scum, you might as well explain why. I'm not buying the whole "I don't wanna split the wagon" thing. The desire to quickly lynch someone and move on to D2 also doesn't make much sense. Considering that 1 or even 2 people are about to be replaced, wouldn't it be a better idea to wait for them first? I mean, you either want active players and will wait for the replacements or you just want to get this day over with, you cannot have it both ways.

VOTE: LL

[Ph0enix]

Tap, LL, Phoenix
Homura, Lunar, QQ
Titus, TSE

Oh I forgot Karnage will skim his ISO in a bit.

Pedit: what? Why is Phoenix scum?

MK.

MK?

[Ph0enix]

@Cheeky: Could you elaborate a bit more on your readslist in 223?

Same goes for TSE's townreads.

And LL's "scumbucket".

[Ph0enix]

Sheepyish.

That does not explain it that well for me. What do you mean by that?

[Karnage]

Not in those words. Yet you treated me as if your lean was much stronger when you looked at someone's posting and assumed they were buddying me.

You're really stretching the facts to fit your narrative. The good(?) news is I no longer have a town lean on you.

[Karnage]

Would the players who willingly signed up for this game, just perhaps, like to play the game?

Would the player who willingly replaced into this game, just perhaps, like to respond to the post below?

Scum is probably between TSE, Phoenix, Karnage, and Phi (Homura)

elaborate

[Karnage]

UNVOTE:

there's a lot of new stuff I need to process...

[Plotinus]

QuantumQuasar is being replaced for inactivity. If they post before I find someone, they can stay

[Titus]

@Titus, who would you like to lynch this DP?

CheekyTeeky and Karnage.

I know you feel Cheeky is town because of the aggression but scum can very well be aggressive too. Attacking people and avoiding saying who is town is pretty excellent place for scum to be. They aren't pinned to a position.

Town don't have to be rigid thinkers but accountability is what I mean by pinned to a position. I like to see clear thought patterns with premises that can be challenged or accepted.

I feel Phoenix is seeping on you at the moment because you both are controlling personalities here. You two are my biggest TRs.

VOTE: Cheeky

By moving my vote to Cheeky, this will get wagons going. You may not like the Cheeky wagon and I'm not a strong fan of the TSE one. Regardless, the wagons facing off will give us data to check our premises at least partially.

[Plotinus]

Crush replaces QuantumQuasar! Please welcome him!

[Karnage]

VOTE: Titus

TSE, I guess you're on translation duty.

Phoenix, I'll try to explain my theory tonight. It makes sense in my head as an aha type moment but I'm not the clearest.

I just feel Karnage and Cheeky are doing good cop bad cop here. (Not cop roles but it's an interrogation tactic).

is this the extent of you theory?

Right now, yes.

If there's a real explanation of your theory coming, I'd like to see it. If you've fully explained it already, I'd like to know the purpose of 121

[Crush]

Hey all, I'll read the thread in a few hours!

[Titus]

@Karnage, The post you're looking for is 163 which is right about where your tone on me changed.

@LL, Looks like I already got the response I was looking for. Karnage backed off Cheeky to vote for me instead. Regardless of who has the right theory, this doesn't look good for Karnage. If you're right, he's putting two towns against each other. If I am right, he's bailing on bussing when the wagon on Cheeky becomes a threat.

Care to join me?

VOTE: Karnage

[Homura]

What do you think of the TSE-Titus exchange in posts 164-168?

Fluff with potential. In other words, TSE gets to be active without meaningfully contributing to the DP, and if Titus doesn't give a good defense, then TSE can go for the easy mislynch target of QQ and still not have to combat Titus later on as he's tied his scum!Titus read to scum!QQ, allowing him to stay light on his feet when QQ flips town.

Have you read TSE's past games, especially his scumgames? Your narrative doesn't align with something scum!TSE is capable of, and TSE townreads both QQ and Titus.

Think you're reaching.

[Karnage]

I saw that post. I’m looking for the theory that you couldn’t initially express and needed time to flesh out.

Karnage good cop/cheeky bad cop could have been explained then and there. Why did you need the extra time to before sharing your theory?

Pedit: this is for Titus

[Titus]

Unless you need a primer on what good cop bad cop is, I feel like I explained it well enough.

People can have tip of their tongue thoughts that we can't articulate.

@Homura, I am not so sure I agree this is outside TSE's scumgames.

[Homura]

@Homura, I am not so sure I agree this is outside TSE's scumgames.

He's been heavily complacent to questions and scumreads on his slot, like to your 164 and to Luciano in 240, whereas in 1982 he immediately regressed into AtE when pressured. Granted, this is only one of his scumgames and I haven't read any others that might have deviated from my impression of his scum meta. But I'm townreading him independently of metareads either way.

Your 168 seemed to imply that you considered TSE town from your exchange. Can you elaborate on why you think TSE isn't outside of his scum meta?

[Karnage]

Unless you need a primer on what good cop bad cop is, I feel like I explained it well enough.

People can have tip of their tongue thoughts that we can't articulate.

@Homura, I am not so sure I agree this is outside TSE's scumgames.

i understand good cop/bad cop perfectly fine and yes you explained well enough so thats why this...
"Phoenix, I'll try to explain my theory tonight. It makes sense in my head as an aha type moment but I'm not the clearest."
... doesn't make sense to me. Why were you unable to lay out good cop/bad cop to phoenix then? what about that wouldn't be clear?

[Homura]

Re-read last night and digested a bit.

Think LL is hard-tunneling town. TSE is town. Cheeky is town. Titus is maybe town, but nebulous. QQ/Crush might be town, but I want to see content I can actually parse.

Earlier Phoenix townlean might be wrong. Lynchpool of {Karnage, Tapioca!slot, Phoenix}. Low confidence on most reads.

[Homura]

I feel Phoenix is seeping on you at the moment because you both are controlling personalities here. You two are my biggest TRs.

Can you explain why Phoenix is town?

[Titus]

@Homura, Sure I can. Be forewarned that I consider meta to be the weakest of arguments and I feel TSE is town, so feel free to disagree here especially. Others rely on meta. Each person has their own play.

However, I feel TSE is lacking a certain engagement and drive that he has as town. That's why I feel he's not a top town read. I still think he's town but not as town as LL or Phoenix.

I feel Phoenix is town because of the unabashedness he approaches the thread with but he doesn't have the predetermined reads like Cheeky does IMO.

Can you explain why Cheeky is town? Can you get on Karnage with me instead of LL?

[Karnage]

However, I feel TSE is lacking a certain engagement and drive that he has as town. That's why I feel he's not a top town read. I still think he's town but not as town as LL or Phoenix.

Where does the town read come from then?

[Titus]

However, I feel TSE is lacking a certain engagement and drive that he has as town. That's why I feel he's not a top town read. I still think he's town but not as town as LL or Phoenix.

Where does the town read come from then?

I like the things he says. I just feel like he's missing the conviction as to who scum are that I am used to from TSE.