Open 773: Masons and Mafia: RVS Awards (GAME OVER)

[Miss Lane]

Like your read of me and CSF and even certain other players seem anchored in things that are not things we did but in the way you feel about how auro or someone else feels about us.

That makes your entire list seem fake. I have a hard time believing you still refuse to go back and figure out what I've done up until now and you're still not interested in going back and figuring out what other players have done. The only time this game I haven't felt like the way you've been playing has been particularly scummy was after you made the excuse that you are somewhat disinterested in me personally, and as we move farther and farther from that point I have more and more difficulty believing 1. You believe you are town, and 2. you believe in your reads or have even read enough of the game to support them.

[Miss Lane]

You're taking this angle that something is even less likely to be true than if TSE didn't have an opinion on it at all. That's pretty clearly wrong.

I've found TSE obnoxious in some contexts but it's weird the way you're somehow linking him to an argument that TSE has Insane Cop cleared you in the thread

What? How am I doing this?

Because you are bringing him up and shading him when he's not even a party to the argument as though it discredit's Klick's read?

Yes he is.

TSE keeps suggesting a vote on you, but Auro is just sort of ignoring that/pushing it aside without actually quashing it. You'd think as town that reads you town, he'd be concerned about the possibility of TSE voting you without him tomorrow.

[Miss Lane]

Eh.

I feel pretty good about this.

VOTE: Klick

[Miss Lane]

I remembered you posting a solve of CSF/Suji/me somewhere, though I can't find it right this second.
I also remember you shading her in a recent post.
Apologies for not remembering the time you mentioned her as town - is that one your real read?

If you knew where that post was you'd probably understand why certain fundamentals of your push on me and on CSF seem pretty blatantly faked as well as why your accusation of me only having less than or equal to one read.

[Klick]

It would help if every time I went back to read you I didn't have to go through 250 posts, a large chunk of which are you just arguing with TSE.

I am reading, though. I feel like I've brought up valid points! In fact, I think I've tracked your CSF read better than you have.
PEdit: What makes you think I'm unwilling to go back and read? You're pushing that narrative rather hard but I can't see where I've 'not been interested in going back and figuring out what players have done'.
I'm the one who feels super misrepped throughout this conversation
PEdit2: I have no idea what that sentence means. I'm trying to figure out if it's a real sentence.

[Klick]

Here they were:

CSF I'm gonna be honest most of your post seems remarkably nitpicky. This part in particular stands out as wrong:

Her reads here are very simplistic. All of her scumreads townread Aldus, and her townreads scumread Aldus, which doesn't make sense because if you're going to make associative reads like that, you should also consider that scum aren't all going to townread each other.

First, assuming that this was the basis behind her reads with no reason to assume it at all is weird. But in addition to that, pops was townreading Aldus at this point, Klick has been townreading him the entire game, and Egix had no read on him at all. Your statement is so factually incorrect, that you could say the reverse is true and it would still be just as wrong.

Suji CSF Klick

[Klick]

I've also just found where you call CSF town, but it comes with a fair share of qualifiers

VOTE: Cat Scratch Fever

This is disgusting timing.

Combined with the Cheeky vote that immediately follows it, I can go w/ Chemist scum right now, and I'd be willing to

at least temporarly

town block w/ CSF and TSE.

@TSE and Auro:

Convince me on CSF? They've given very little content that I've cared about so far. Is it all related to daykill stuff?
I'm willing to accept TSE town. I'm going to have to sit and think for a bit tonight about Auro. If Auro is Town I have a lot of trouble seeing Enter as town.

What major game did we play together?

I agree TSE is town, but blocking with him means we have to reach an agreement, which means we have to be able to communicate and I don't think that's happened successfully once this game?

CSF is likely town because of Cheeky and Chemist jumping on their wagon so quickly.

This is based off the assumption that Chemist is scum, however.

[Miss Lane]

UNVOTE:

I'll come back to this when I have the energy to sort this out.

It looks to me like you won't go back because you're pushing a lot of narratives that have already been covered.

[Klick]

Like your read of me and CSF and even certain other players seem anchored in things that are not things we did but in the way you feel about how auro or someone else feels about us.

There was a pretty explicit section of that post that had to do with interactions between the three of you.
You asked for reads on all three of you.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

TSE is sometimes wrong, but that doesn't mean he's never right. He had a perfect solve in Assassins. Come on now, if you're town you don't need to stoop to that ML.

Yeah man.
Pops/Chemist/Suji
Prob the team.
You don’t need to be like that’s Ml.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

He's calling the whole thing about me v auro as SvT because when you said it it was scummy as fuck and it is also consistently contradictory with your views on the game.

By “he” you better not be referring to me.
Never said such a thing.
I just think via PoE your likely scum.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

You're taking this angle that something is even less likely to be true than if TSE didn't have an opinion on it at all. That's pretty clearly wrong.

I've found TSE obnoxious in some contexts but it's weird the way you're somehow linking him to an argument that TSE has Insane Cop cleared you in the thread

I maybe bad at communicating.
But I’m great at solving.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Auro is always Town here.
Always locking that slot no matter what.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Ok I got something.

Pops Scum = 1 of Klick - Suji Scum (Not Both)
ML Scum = CSF always scum


It appears I’m probably wrong on my SUPERSQUAD.
Sad Times.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

actually wait I’m wrong.

CSF = Scum ML
Not Vice Versa.

VOTE: CSF

Town CSF could still be Scum ML.
Scum ML could still mean Town CSF

[TrueSoulEnergy]

UNVOTE: CSF

But then there’s still Suji.

[Auro]

Chemist/Pops are far superior votes.

For the record, I'm not really *scumreading* Klick and his posting is okay; it's just that I've lost my townread of him. However, this is much lesser confidence than Pops/Chemist. My rationale for Suji!town is also gamestate related and weak.

[Auro]

Also, as you seem to have put together the solve that looks most likely to me right now is you/CSF/Auro. You/Auro in particular have interactions today that have pinged me as SvS. Auro's switch over to scum!Klick seemed to happen when I started presenting rationale for Chemist!town and pops!town, but it also coincided with when the first semblance of pressure started up on you. TSE keeps suggesting a vote on you, but Auro is just sort of ignoring that/pushing it aside without actually quashing it. You'd think as town that reads you town, he'd be concerned about the possibility of TSE voting you without him tomorrow

This is bad. Klick doesn't offer any reasoning for me and ML being SvS over TvT.

Also, I have told TSE multiple times that ML is town, I can literally quote TSE saying "I think ML is scum but I trust Auro's read" - so why must I be super concerned, really? I'm focused on lynching scum, and I'd rather debate the slots I suspect a lot over ML.

"Without me"? The only way I die is if I get lynched... So, why does this hold any weight at all?

[Auro]

A big motivating factor for wanting to lynch CSF is that I haven't seen a reason to townread her that I gel with thus far, yet she's getting widely townread for relatively little content

By whom, apart from me?

TSE thinks she's town, but you agree he's town, so that shouldn't matter.

Who else?

[Auro]

But he takes the 'minimizing interactions' point and shoves it in a box to mean 'avoiding questions' instead. CSF asks questions and doesn't avoid them, but that's not what 'minimizing interactions' means and he should know that.

Do go ahead and enlighten me about what "minimizing interactions" means, and show me how it applies to CSF.

[Chemist1422]

ok this worldbuilding stuff is actually pretty daunting

so, AMA while I'm rereading today

[Chemist1422]

for reference: page 40 is when D6 starts

hoo boy

[Auro]

For what it's worth I have zero expectation that CSF will get the 5 votes needed to get lynched today, especially if my solve is right. But I'm still going to try, and I think it's been productive and will continue to be productive

I'll flip your TSE argument on you now - if CSF/ML/Auro is the scumteam, you need to convince TSE to vote CSF for 5 votes. I don't see you doing this?

[Chemist1422]

Spoiler: all possible worlds

TSE/Suji/pops

TSE/Suji/ML
TSE/Suji/CSF
TSE/Suji/Klick
TSE/Suji/Auro

TSE/pops/ML
TSE/pops/CSF
TSE/pops/Klick
TSE/pops/Auro

TSE/ML/CSF
TSE/ML/Klick

TSE/ML/Auro

TSE/CSF/Klick
TSE/CSF/Auro
TSE/Klick/Auro
Suji/pops/ML
Suji/pops/CSF
Suji/pops/Klick
Suji/pops/Auro
Suji/ML/CSF
Suji/ML/Klick

Suji/ML/Auro

Suji/CSF/Klick
Suji/CSF/Auro
Suji/Klick/Auro
pops/ML/CSF
pops/ML/Klick

pops/ML/Auro

pops/CSF/Klick
pops/CSF/Auro
pops/Klick/Auro
ML/CSF/Klick

ML/CSF/Auro
ML/Klick/Auro

CSF/Klick/Auro

So, let's talk worldbuilding

I'm starting by striking out all the TSE/pops worlds because I don't think pops's post about TSE being an obvious mason comes from them if they're partnered, and TSE's hardpush on pops today backs that up

1002 is actually a potential townslip, this isn't relevant for worldbuilding, I just wanna bring this up

I think Auro/ML's interactions near daystart aren't s/s because like

it's harder to lock with no daytalk but I don't think scum!Auro townreads scum!ML in that situation

I've literally read 3 pages and TSE's posts already make me want to stop ugh

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Spoiler: all possible worlds

TSE/Suji/pops

TSE/Suji/ML
TSE/Suji/CSF
TSE/Suji/Klick
TSE/Suji/Auro

TSE/pops/ML
TSE/pops/CSF
TSE/pops/Klick
TSE/pops/Auro

TSE/ML/CSF
TSE/ML/Klick

TSE/ML/Auro

TSE/CSF/Klick
TSE/CSF/Auro
TSE/Klick/Auro
Suji/pops/ML
Suji/pops/CSF
Suji/pops/Klick
Suji/pops/Auro
Suji/ML/CSF
Suji/ML/Klick

Suji/ML/Auro

Suji/CSF/Klick
Suji/CSF/Auro
Suji/Klick/Auro
pops/ML/CSF
pops/ML/Klick

pops/ML/Auro

pops/CSF/Klick
pops/CSF/Auro
pops/Klick/Auro
ML/CSF/Klick

ML/CSF/Auro
ML/Klick/Auro

CSF/Klick/Auro

So, let's talk worldbuilding

I'm starting by striking out all the TSE/pops worlds because I don't think pops's post about TSE being an obvious mason comes from them if they're partnered, and TSE's hardpush on pops today backs that up

1002 is actually a potential townslip, this isn't relevant for worldbuilding, I just wanna bring this up

I think Auro/ML's interactions near daystart aren't s/s because like

it's harder to lock with no daytalk but I don't think scum!Auro townreads scum!ML in that situation

I've literally read 3 pages and

TSE's posts already make me want to stop ugh

Instead of saying the Bolded. (Because your complaint here is irrelevant)
Tell me what you don’t like about my posts and why you view them as scummy.