Newbie 1988 | Octopus | Over

[Homura]

players are encouraging pointless spam wall fights and ignoring the townies who say it needs to stop. Just saying.

Cheeky and Karnage are good votes.

Gathering you don’t think much of my theory. I’m not too confident on it myself, since I feel I could just be jumping on town who didn’t want to play. Can you case Cheeky for me?

[Titus]

players are encouraging pointless spam wall fights and ignoring the townies who say it needs to stop. Just saying.

Cheeky and Karnage are good votes.

Gathering you don’t think much of my theory. I’m not too confident on it myself, since I feel I could just be jumping on town who didn’t want to play. Can you case Cheeky for me?

Tbf I didn't read your theory. I'm not sure a lot of people will engage comments in walls of texts. That's my point here. You jumping back and forth would make sense if you were just flat out tired of the yelling. Instead, your vote encourages them to keep fighting ignoring the game as a whole.

Whatever your theory is, if you can't figure out why I am scumreading Cheeky and Karnage, then there ain't much helping you since it's like 75% of my ISO.

Since Non just unvoted Cheeky, my vote is the tiebreaker so back to Karnage.

VOTE: Karnage

[LuckyLuciano]

Spoiler:

VOTE: Tapiocaphobe

Because how am I supposed to shorten that. Tapio?

I mean I don't really have any reactions other than 'it's weird titus started my wagon then immediately left it' but i'm getting a nullread from that

I don't like you answering a question for Titus. I don't like how it's weird but its a null read.

yeah, there were better ways for her to leave the wagon if she wanted to avoid suspicion on me

Why should Titus be concerned with avoiding suspicion on YOU?

the way TSE approached my post screamed townie to me + I was already disliking that mafioso post when they pushed it
lunar's mafioso post and how they approached the idea of s/s; i think after their last two posts they're pretty solidly null for me though, maybe a little itsy bitsy townie
these are very early reads so they'll probably change but this is where my head is at

You disliked the "mafioso" post but not enough to move your RVS vote.

what were people saying that's the same besides 'it's null'?
only cheeky mentioned the gut ping thing
I would like phi to come and speak, which is why I'm still voting for them, but I think most people would rather focus on the actual content that's been generated
like, I see wym with that phi post, but it's one rvs post, it's not exactly a lot to look

at

I think you are leaving your vote on Phi as a backdoor to voting with Titus

this is a weird basis to vote titus on

Buddying up to Titus

liking this post

More buddying up to Titus

VOTE: tap

I mean I don't really have any reactions other than 'it's weird titus started my wagon then immediately left it' but i'm getting a nullread from that

I don't like you answering a question for Titus. I don't like how it's weird but its a null read.

this is a weird basis to vote titus on

Buddying up to Titus

liking this post

More buddying up to Titus

VOTE: tap

With the first quote I can see how this can be seen as buddying, it does look like Tapio defending her in a way.

As for the next two, however, I don't think not liking a vote against someone or liking someone's post equals buddying (necessarily).

Spoiler:

QQ is likely some type of troll and I'm questioning whether ph0enix's reaction to them is genuine

QQ is likely some type of troll and I'm questioning whether ph0enix's reaction to them is genuine

Interpret my reaction however you want, I don't want to leave his nonsense unaddressed, troll or not.

I'm leaning town on Titus and TSE atm

tapioca and phoenix would be my guess for scum

everybody else is ???

Spoiler:

Can the people who have provided reads/theories for scumteams and haven't explained the reasoning behind them do so :/

I'm leaning town on Titus and TSE atm

I think that's all. Also, I don't like how Karnage called out TSE in 98 for not providing reasoning behind his theory, but later he posts his townleans without us knowing why he feels this way about the particular people he's leaning town on.

I really like these two posts from Titus. They show a strong town mindset imo. Granted they could be faked which is why I only lean town for now.

The discussion around ne and my vote change is awkward and stilted. A few slots say the same thing and get nowhere but NAI, essentially repeoting what came before.

What's abcent is more telling. Everyone wants to know why my gut was strong enough, yet no one looked at Phi's behavior. It's net enough to make a strong case out of, but it's still interesting. Phil comes across artificial and fake in the opeming sequence.

Mod: I voted Phi not Phoenix.

Fixed, thank you --P

No. It's farfetched to lock him as scum based off of that. To feel the ignorance of the wagon and discussion of food is an artificial distraction is not. Scum love to distract. It's a good place to start none the less. Plus, the sooner we escape RVS the better.

Re: 98 - that was "calling out" Titus, not TSE. I dont think saying I called them out is a fair description though. It was meant to be kinda snarky to just point out that without reasoning I don't think the vote should be taken too seriously. Also, I think there's a difference between voting somebody without saying why and having a town lean on somebody without saying why.

Re: 98 - that was "calling out" Titus, not TSE. I dont think saying I called them out is a fair description though. It was meant to be kinda snarky to just point out that without reasoning I don't think the vote should be taken too seriously. Also, I think there's a difference between voting somebody without saying why and having a town lean on somebody without saying why.

Oh yes, my bad. There is a difference, yes, but given that we are currently still early in the game and are working with very limited information, I still believe that providing reasoning behind a townlean could be helpful. Perhaps there's something we've overlooked about this particular player that you have now shed light on, which itself may help us determine his/her alignment.

That’s fair

At this point I'm only townreading Phoneix and Tap. We need more wagons or something.

I went back and looked at ph0enix's ISO and I probably judged him too harshly for his reaction to QQ.

What are you seeing from tap that makes him a town read?

I'm just dropping this here for later use. The one thing I do want to point out as striking me as suspicious - among other things - is the following in conjunction:

Karnage says Phoenix is scum without giving a reason,

I'm leaning town on Titus and TSE atm

tapioca and phoenix would be my guess for scum

everybody else is ???

Phoenix has been called scum three times. His reactions to QQ and I were OMGUS and votes. He never addressed Karnage calling him scum. His case against me should apply to Karnage as well. A few posts later, Phoenix literally QUOTES the above post and ignores being read as a scum team while asking other players to explain their buddy reads,

Can the people who have provided reads/theories for scumteams and haven't explained the reasoning behind them do so :/

That would be:

Theory, Karnage Cheeky scumteam

I don’t think Cheeky is but I do think Karnage could be.

I'm leaning town on Titus and TSE atm

I think that's all. Also, I don't like how Karnage called out TSE in 98 for not providing reasoning behind his theory, but later he posts his townleans without us knowing why he feels this way about the particular people he's leaning town on.

The hypocrisy of trying to lynch two players for thinking he's scum and at the same time erasing somebody calling you scum as part of a buddy read

in a post that you made for the purpose of questioning the buddy reads that have been made so far

is truly impressive.

Finally, Karnage just randomly rereads Phoenix's iso and decides he's not scum after all, again without reasoning, immediately after Cheeky townreads Phoenix,

At this point I'm only townreading Phoneix and Tap. We need more wagons or something.

I went back and looked at ph0enix's ISO and I probably judged him too harshly for his reaction to QQ.

What are you seeing from tap that makes him a town read?

What is everyone's thoughts on Karnage + Phoenix as SvS?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Ok.
Now normally I’d Go Karnage but LL and Phoenix both share the same Playstyle.
(Main reason for my Phoenix read)
I’ve decided that I’d rather not both of them be here for Day 2.
It could cause unnecessary chaos regardless if TvT.
Take one of my newbies games for example.
Despite me being scum that was lynched Day 1. If I was Town and Luca and Koba were still town the game wouldn’t be favouring town.
Koba and Luca have similar play style.
So when they engaged and started to both scum read each other it created a bad environment that favours mafia.

Thus I don’t want a repeat of this as I got Town this game.

VOTE: Phe0nix

I’d like a Day 2 Karnage lynch though.

[Titus]

TSE, are you scum? We literally kicked ass in a game where we didn't indulge this.

[LuckyLuciano]

@Titus, what do you think about Karnage + Phoenix as scum?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

TSE, are you scum? We literally kicked ass in a game where we didn't indulge this.

Which one? You V.S. Alisae?

[Titus]

TSE, are you scum? We literally kicked ass in a game where we didn't indulge this.

Which one? You V.S. Alisae?

Yes

[Non lmh]

VOTE: karnage
gut.

[Titus]

@Titus, what do you think about Karnage + Phoenix as scum?

If I didn't feel Phoenix was obvious town, I would totally think that was a possibility.

I just feel this is nothing more than a shut people up lynch which rewards LL for making the game less readable.

[LuckyLuciano]

How am I rewarded for making the game less readable?

[Titus]

How am I rewarded for making the game less readable?

Getting the mislynch you want

[TrueSoulEnergy]

How am I rewarded for making the game less readable?

Getting the mislynch you want

Do you scum read LL Titus?

[Titus]

How am I rewarded for making the game less readable?

Getting the mislynch you want

Do you scum read LL Titus?

No. I townread both him and Phoenix. I am not rewarding bad town play unless given no other option.

[Crush]

I don't mafia lean your slot because of meta arguments, I just don't like meta arguments. Especially not in a newbie game because I, and probably more people, have never played with players in said meta read. I can't evaluate meta based arguments because I have no indication of their meta, so for me meta arguments contribute null to the game. The main reason I lean mafia on your slot are the posts made by LunarRest regarding the Titus vote switch after RVS, it seemed like she was reaching for the sky. I dislike the entire theatre around that vote switch.

Run that through me again. I wasn't present during LunarRest interactions. Have you mistaken me for their slot?

Yep that´s my bad, sorry. Messed up my notes somehow you´re off the list.

Also about the first part of #291 , I don't think most of my reads are null since I do lean (if only slightly) on most players. If you would interpret that as me null reading everyone that's fine, but don't expect me to develop all in reads D1 like LL does. I would also like to remind you that my vote on Cheeky made that wagon the leading one, I could also have voted for the equally big TSE and LL wagons.

Spoiler:

Karnage is still kinda whatever to me

TSE feels meh to me

To me the Phoenix slot isn't that noteworthy right now

Saw these as nullreads. You did elaborate on some of them, but I find it strange that you scumlean me over them from your explanations. Especially considering it amounted to "I don't like meta arguments" and something I wasn't even present for.

WRT the leading wagons — pressure was on Cheeky from Titus when you repped in, so I saw that as a sheep. My vote had also been a dead vote, so the Luciano wagon isn't applicable. Can you elaborate which direction your leans are on for the reads I quoted?

At the time: Karnage null, TSE mafia, phoenix null.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

There’s Def scum within (Karnage, Titus and Phe0nix)

[Crush]

@Phoenix can you explain again why you prefer to abstain from EOD wagons again? I didn´t really get that part.

Also are Karnage and Cheeky replacing out? Dont remember them posting very much if at all for the last days.

@Non Imh, can you be a bit more elaborate about what you noticed this game so far?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

@Phoenix can you explain again why you prefer to abstain from EOD wagons again? I didn´t really get that part.

Also are Karnage and Cheeky replacing out? Dont remember them posting very much if at all for the last days.

@Non Imh, can you be a bit more elaborate about what you noticed this game so far?

Non doesn’t post that much content.
It’s his meta.

[Crush]

@Phoenix can you explain again why you prefer to abstain from EOD wagons again? I didn´t really get that part.

Also are Karnage and Cheeky replacing out? Dont remember them posting very much if at all for the last days.

@Non Imh, can you be a bit more elaborate about what you noticed this game so far?

Non doesn’t post that much content.
It’s his meta.

I hope his mean meta is more than a 1 word analysis of a 17 page game, otherwise its going to be fun evaluating him.

[Plotinus]

Official Vote Count 1.13

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Lynching

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

Ph0enix

(3): LuckyLuciano, Homura, TrueSoulEnergy

CheekyTeeky

(1): Crush

TrueSoulEnergy

(1): CheekyTeeky

Titus

(1): Karnage

Karnage

(1): Titus, Non lmh

LuckyLuciano

(1): Ph0enix

Not Voting

(0):

None.

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-03-08 12:00:00).

Mod notes:

CheekyTeeky¹ has been prodded and has (expired on 2020-03-09 04:00:00) to post before I start looking for a replacement.[/area]

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Official Vote Count 1.13

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Lynching

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

CheekyTeeky

(3): Non Imh, Crush, Titus

LuckyLuciano

(2): Homura, Ph0enix

Ph0enix

(1): LuckyLuciano

Titus

(1): Karnage

Karnage

(1): TrueSoulEnergy

TrueSoulEnergy

(1): CheekyTeeky

Not Voting

(0):

None.

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-03-08 12:00:00).

Mod notes:

CheekyTeeky¹ has been prodded and has (expired on 2020-03-09 04:00:00) to post before I start looking for a replacement.[/area]

Did
My
Ph0enix
Vote
Not
Go
Through?

Fixed. I think I forgot to update all the votes from the previous votecount. --P

[LuckyLuciano]

@Titus, in 216 you asked me to expand upon my townread on Cheeky. In 221 I took the time to ISO every post Cheeky had made up to that point. You never talked about this post. What are your thoughts?

[Ph0enix]

"Smh, the general hostile attitude Cheeky has taken towards me feels fake."

But isn't that... Cheeky's attitude in general, kinda? (no offense, Cheeky)

@LL: Let's not pretend your SR of me and that of Karnage are the same thing. You outright said I'm scum, providing reasoning 100 posts later. Karnage was SRing me because he didn't know if my reaction to QQ was genuine. First, he was nowhere near as confident in his SR as you are. Second, he didn't vote me. Third, he had way less information in general to make that assumption than you did. Also, why bring that up only now in the first place?

@TSE: Are you voting me because there are more votes on me and there's a higher chance of me getting lynched today, or because you TR LL more than you do me?

"can you explain again why you prefer to abstain from EOD wagons again? I didn´t really get that part."

Quote the post you are referring to, please.

"I hope his mean meta is more than a 1 word analysis of a 17 page game, otherwise its going to be fun evaluating him."

Boy do I have some bad news for you

"It's in the quote."

I don't see the problem there.

"Opportunistic would be if Luciano jumped on you for little cause just to scumread you"

That's what he did, lmao.

"Because throughout your interaction with Luciano, you haven't once attempted a push back. You've only defended yourself the entire time. You obviously scumread him, so why aren't you pushing him? Why did you back off when he did even though you're scumreading him?"

We have different definitions of a push.

[Titus]

VOTE: Cheeky

[Titus]

@Titus, in 216 you asked me to expand upon my townread on Cheeky. In 221 I took the time to ISO every post Cheeky had made up to that point. You never talked about this post. What are your thoughts?

My thoughts are you spent too many words to say Cheeky was aggressive early so he's town.