Micro 927: Hectic's Ultimate Conspiracy (FIN)

[Datisi]

Okay, I'll stop. I'm going to bed soon anyway.



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[Ame]

I appreciate your game plan, Datisi. It's very intuitive and I also thought you were town.

What was his game plan?

[Ame]

After I made the "dsj, am I getting pocketed?" question and he had a poor reaction you immediately jumped in saying it's a fact we were the town hood.

Clidd I'm confused by your answer, did or did this not happen?

[Ame]

My interest in dsj himself is very much 0 too, don't get me wrong. I just find it very peculiar how he wasn't even trying when it was looking like the votes will swing onto Clidd. As if he doesn't care if Clidd gets voted as the "townie". Wonder why.

If he did, he would be automatically linked to you. Scum! Dsj is not as good at simulating superficial behavior as you are.

How would he be linked to Datisi by trying to prevent you from being voted? The goal for each of you should be to prevent the other two from being voted. The fact that dsj was allowing you to be voted suggests that he has no incentive to keep you from being the pick, i.e. that you two are partners.

[clidd]

I appreciate your game plan, Datisi. It's very intuitive and I also thought you were town.

What was his game plan?

It isn't obvious ? he was aware of the impression I had about scum!Datisi and reversed the behavioral polarities in the hood and in the general chat. The Datisi who put little on the hood and showed himself with a questioning instance, became an individual of quick agreement and objective simplicity. His plan was to agree with me (as he noticed that I am inclined to trust players who collaborate with me), use Dsj to disperse attention, distort events to damage my image, and mimic the behavior of one of the past games, typing in a more fluidly way to captivate players' doubts, just like he did with you.

[clidd]

After I made the "dsj, am I getting pocketed?" question and he had a poor reaction you immediately jumped in saying it's a fact we were the town hood.

Clidd I'm confused by your answer, did or did this not happen?

The event he mentioned is distorted. That comment occurred, but it was directed at the impression I had about Kanna and you being scums.

[clidd]

My interest in dsj himself is very much 0 too, don't get me wrong. I just find it very peculiar how he wasn't even trying when it was looking like the votes will swing onto Clidd. As if he doesn't care if Clidd gets voted as the "townie". Wonder why.

If he did, he would be automatically linked to you. Scum! Dsj is not as good at simulating superficial behavior as you are.

How would he be linked to Datisi by trying to prevent you from being voted? The goal for each of you should be to prevent the other two from being voted. The fact that dsj was allowing you to be voted suggests that he has no incentive to keep you from being the pick, i.e. that you two are partners.

Frame/WIFOM, Ame. You are not new to this game.

[clidd]

Okay, I'll stop. I'm going to bed soon anyway.



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[Ame]

I appreciate your game plan, Datisi. It's very intuitive and I also thought you were town.

What was his game plan?

It isn't obvious ? he was aware of the impression I had about scum!Datisi and reversed the behavioral polarities in the hood and in the general chat. The Datisi who put little on the hood and showed himself with a questioning instance, became an individual of quick agreement and objective simplicity. His plan was to agree with me (as he noticed that I am inclined to trust players who collaborate with me), use Dsj to disperse attention, distort events to damage my image, and mimic the behavior of one of the past games, typing in a more fluidly way to captivate players' doubts, just like he did with you.

Alternative theory, you and dsj are scum. You meta read Datisi as town just as you read me as town in the previous game to get on his good side and to give you an excuse to declare your hood as town. Datisi jumped the gun and agreed with you, but you were prepared for the fallout and began immediately town casing yourself afterward. And because how close you two were associated, we would likely choose dsj, your partner as the townie.

My interest in dsj himself is very much 0 too, don't get me wrong. I just find it very peculiar how he wasn't even trying when it was looking like the votes will swing onto Clidd. As if he doesn't care if Clidd gets voted as the "townie". Wonder why.

If he did, he would be automatically linked to you. Scum! Dsj is not as good at simulating superficial behavior as you are.

How would he be linked to Datisi by trying to prevent you from being voted? The goal for each of you should be to prevent the other two from being voted. The fact that dsj was allowing you to be voted suggests that he has no incentive to keep you from being the pick, i.e. that you two are partners.

Frame/WIFOM, Ame. You are not new to this game.

Right, which is why I know that players are usually playing yomi on layer 1. You keep making the assumption that they are layer 2:

-Datisi is being suspicious, so he must be scum (L1) :: but that's too obvious so he must be town (L2)!
-dsj isn't fighting the Clidd wagon, so he must be fine with it (L1) :: or that's what he wants us to think (L2)!

I'm sure you've heard of a thing called Occam's Razor, Clidd. You keep bypassing the simplest and most reasonable explanations because the more convoluted answer suits your needs.

[clidd]

Alternative theory, you and dsj are scum. You meta read Datisi as town just as you read me as town in the previous game to get on his good side and to give you an excuse to declare your hood as town. Datisi jumped the gun and agreed with you, but you were prepared for the fallout and began immediately town casing yourself afterward. And because how close you two were associated, we would likely choose dsj, your partner as the townie.



Right, which is why I know that players are usually playing yomi on layer 1. You keep making the assumption that they are layer 2:

-Datisi is being suspicious, so he must be scum (L1) :: but that's too obvious so he must be town (L2)!
-dsj isn't fighting the Clidd wagon, so he must be fine with it (L1) :: or that's what he wants us to think (L2)!

I'm sure you've heard of a thing called Occam's Razor, Clidd. You keep bypassing the simplest and most reasonable explanations because the more convoluted answer suits your needs.

Alternative theory, Kanna acted scummy, Ame too. Clidd noticed and started to talking with Datisi and Dsj about it, and they both agreed. With the manipulation of meta, Datisi remained off Clidd's radar, while Dsj tried to sow small superficial paranoia seeds on the hood, although he agreed with every word of Clidd. As instructed by Datisi, Dsj took advantage of the few appearances in the general chat to act apathetically, making it difficult to identify his partnership with Datisi. After Kanna's self-vote, there was an intense distance from Dsj, while Datisi planned what he would respond. Clidd was bombarded with questions in the meantime, giving enough space for the scum duo to emerge later, with a

''mother fucker''

comment from Datisi as a preparatory reaction so that later, he could react to the accusations directed at him appropriately, mimicking the elements perceived by Ame, Chemist and Kanna, who unconsciously classified as towny, precisely because of the simplicity and calm of such act. As a result, Clidd, who had everyone against him, endeavored to elucidate the logical sequence of events and open the eyes of the jurors, but was eventually overshadowed by Ame's wrong line of reasoning, who after voting correctly earlier, pursued the wrong leads and departed from the truth that would lead to victory. Noting, later, that Clidd had already solved the game alone, but failed to carry three players on his back.

L1 and L2 for me are joystick components. Occam's Razor seems familiar.

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You keep bypassing the simplest and most reasonable explanations because the more convoluted answer suits your needs.

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- You are doing exactly what you mentioned. You see what's going on, but you don't observe it. Usually, I expect smart instances from you, but I noticed a large cognitive fall of your progression from the beginning of the round until now. I'm not intending to prolong this discussion, so if you want to decide now, it will be better. Just knowing that I'm right is enough to me.

[clidd]

Plus:

effort is my strongest town meta. The last round is the only complete game as scum that I have on my profile. If I were scum in this round, which is totally different from the last round in terms of effort and reasoning, all my method and texts would be used against me as scum meta in future games, making it difficult for anyone to have a TR in me. I wouldn't shoot myself in the foot like that.

[clidd]

You know that as well as I do, Ame.

People automatically read me as town because of this meta, so it would be illogical for me to throw everything in the trash because of a short game with 6 players.

[clidd]

Everyone please answer each question and be as thorough as possible on questions where reasoning can be provided. If we want to win, the town among you must out town the other two. Help us come to understand your towniness.

Clidd

1. Please explain how "posting differently from scum play is town indicative" and "posting differently from scum play is suspicious" is not contradictory. I want to understand your thought process here.
2. If I had gotten to 1, would you have reset me or were you so sure on Kanna that you were willing to let it end then?
3. In post 191 why did you link my 183 instead of just responding to it? (you had it quoted)
4. What did you mean by 176? I understand the emotional read part, but what do you mean by wanting to check if it were correct? How would you do so?

1. I will not explain it again. It seems ''contradictory'' to you because you are unable to follow my line of reasoning correctly.

2. As I explained, Kanna's entry into this game was very scummy, as her reaction after the suspicion was announced. I did not see a significant attempt to try to explain herself, just as I found the call to quote an isolated game strange, as if that proved something. Last round I assimilated with an event that happened in a past game, involving Hectic and you, so it would be completely plausible for her to use such information as scum. So YES, i was sure to some extent. But the lack of opposition to this theory prevented me from recognizing that this hypothesis was incorrect, because for me, my logic was perfect.

3. I was answering the important part of your post. For me the game would end there, so much so, that I speculated about Datisi just to try to instigate myself if I was correct (and concluded that I was).

4. At the time, I was discussing on the hood the possibility of Kanna, in fact, being scum. Then I theorized that you would be the partner, trying to simulate a town attitude with the same tool that you used in the last round. Initially, I wanted to confirm if I was right, or chasing the wrong track, but I didn't find any arguments against that when commenting with both on the hood. The fact that I opened this dialogue in the private chat with them was because I considered my hood to be the town, so it would be useless to discuss it in depth in the public chat with scums to disturb my thoughts.

The way they conducted the private chat was good, as Datisi interacted with me directly while Dsj served as support, making some sporadic comments and agreeing with everything that was said.

Sequence of important events:

1 ° -> Datisi posts very fast and says he is happy to be town, asking if I am too.
2 ° -> I say that I have suspicions on Kanna
3 ° -> Dsj makes a pointless comment, imitating my "huum", as if he wanted to convey the feeling that he was suspicious of that.
4 ° -> Exactly ten minutes of discussion later, Datisi "appears" from the ''beyond'' and says that he agrees with me.
5 ° -> After I mentioned the possible Ame's bluff and suggested the possible connection between Kanna + Ame, Datisi asks if I want to reset her counter or if I should expose her bluff (he didn't disagree with me at any moment, nor questioned the motivation. It just seemed like I said, "Guys, I think Kanna and Ame are partners" "Datisi:" Okay, I agree "" Dsj: "" Okay, I agree too ". they basically abstain from responsibility because they knew I was wrong, so they could use that fact against me later.
6 ° -> I mention that I find it strange that you are insisting on the same approach as the last round, since it did not work.
7 ° -> Datisi immediately 2 minutes after my posts says he considers the duo Kanna + Ame lock-scum ???
8 ° -> Randomly, Datisi tells Dsj to post more (trying to pretend they don't have a chat in common).
9 ° -> Dsj starts to be more active and bring generic ideas that scums usually post a lot on the hood (trying, again, to deliver the feeling that he was suspicious of something, even agreeing with EVERYTHING I was saying)
10 ° -> I make transparent some actions that I will do in the public chat, awaiting opinions.
11 ° -> Datisi stops posting, as if he wants to wait and see what I'm going to do.
12 ° -> As soon as I say I'm not going to reset Ame's counter again, 1 MINUTE EXACTLY, Datisi says that if Ame doesn't selfvote, she will be confirmed along with Kanna, reaffirming the hypothesis I had previously mentioned .

It was always like that, I posted something, explained, Datisi agreed, Dsj posted something about paranoia, but even so he believed on every single of my words, and then there was a period when the posts stopped, from both, as if they were doing something else to not reply. Obviously, I don't need to deduce that they were using scum chat during that time.

What do you think would happen if people saw that I can do that as scum ?

[clidd]

The partner could further strengthen the push on me by pressing a self-vote more quickly.

Which means:

Ame + Chemist> unlikely, as Chemist was online and did not interfere.
Ame + Dsj> unlikely, as his first post would not make sense to question his own partner (75)

Make the comparison my actual analysis with last round. You will see that I am right.

[Ame]

Kanna made on post. You made an incorrect assumption off that one post and an incorrect assumption on one trait of Ame despite her logical explanation. Then when it's made known to you through mechanics who the scum team is, you apparantly consider yourself to have "solved" the game. #slowclap

I'm not buying the false bravado.

You should play as scum to the best of your ability. Not doing so is against the spirit of the game and the site.

[clidd]

Speaking of references.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=82235
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=81841

[Ame]

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[clidd]

Kanna made on post. You made an incorrect assumption off that one post and an incorrect assumption on one trait of Ame despite her logical explanation. Then when it's made known to you through mechanics who the scum team is, you apparantly consider yourself to have "solved" the game. #slowclap

I'm not buying the false bravado.

You should play as scum to the best of your ability. Not doing so is against the spirit of the game and the site.

It's ok, just vote on Datisi or Dsj if you want then. It won't make a difference.

[Ame]

VOTE: Clidd

[Ame]

Argument 0

Evidence 0

Datisi (190) and Clidd (191-193) doubled down on their push after I expressed a possible Cliddatisi agenda.

Implication

Because continuing to push in this manner would affirm a Cliddatisi agenda, and because Caliddatisi would want to avoid the fallout during the voting phase, it is unlikely there was a Cliddatisi agenda; therefore, Clidd and Datisi are unlikely scum together. [

Strength:

Modest

]

Evidence 1.0

Clidd (191-193) went into depth with regard to why Datisi wasn't scum.

Evidence 1.1

In the previous round, Clidd had shown to be distant/scarce/hedgy with regard to reading his scum mate [1][2].

Implication: Because Clidd went into depth about why Datisi wasn't scum and in such a strong, direct manner, they are unlikely scum together. [

Strength:

Strong

]

Conclusions

0: Clidd and Datisi are not scum together.

[

Strength:

Strong

]

1: Therefore, dsj is scum.

[

Strength:

Strong

]

[clidd]

Reasoning 0

--> Ame.

[clidd]

I had to quote meta for you to hear me. Honestly..

[clidd]

Because continuing to push in this manner would affirm a Cliddatisi agenda, and because Caliddatisi would want to avoid the fallout during the voting phase, it is unlikely there was a Cliddatisi agenda; therefore, Clidd and Datisi are unlikely scum together. [Strength:

Modest

]

[Ame]

Your bravado/obnoxiousness is out of character given our recent buddying. I'm still considering whether it's scumClidd overattempting to mimic his town confidence or if the Sherlock GIFs are simply stimulating a subconscious emulation.

[Ame]

It won't make a difference.

"The fun in this game is winning for me. If I fail to do that, I fail to do what I set out to play the game for" -Clidd 2020 (paraphrased from memory)