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[Menalque]

I should mention that you’re probably my top pick for scum based on cheeky btw wooper, so I’m also expecting to see a lot of townposting in your ISO when I get to there

Let me know when you get there. I've got the feeling someone has agency captured me as I don't think tap/crush is the scumteam.

Why do you think crush is scummy in the first place? I think their predecessor was obvtown

[Menalque]

VOTE: wooper

[Menalque]

I think cheeky is intensely scummy as of page 6

[LuckyLuciano]

I mean you’re gonna have to be a little patient with me as I may be driving back to the Uk from France today but it’s my intention to obvtown myself quite soon

I should mention that you’re probably my top pick for scum based on cheeky btw wooper, so I’m also expecting to see a lot of townposting in your ISO when I get to there

been vomiting town at the thread as hard as i can

tbh i think cheeky here was about as obvtown as cheeky gets lmao

It's impossible to vomit town. You claiming that's what you're going for is really irking me but it's honest and probably shouldn't.

What is the difference between 'vomiting town' and 'obvtowning oneself'?

[LuckyLuciano]

I think cheeky is intensely scummy as of page 6

What in particular is scummy to you?

[Menalque]

I think cheeky is intensely scummy as of page 6

What in particular is scummy to you?

She feels very directionless and uncomfortable. There’s also the sense that she cares a lot about how she’s perceived here and is being a lot more measured. When I’ve seen her as town she’s been much more abrasive and demanding, and this is very clearly different to that. Neither is totally condemning on its own, but I think the two together are

bad

Whats your take on that slot?

[Menalque]

Also why do you think Titus is scummy?

[Menalque]

I also think cheeky is better than genuinely believing that QQ being a memelord is scum!indicative

[Menalque]

But I don’t think scum!cheeky is necessarily better than perceiving that as something that could be pushed — especially through the lens of a police lynch — and using that to look like she was doing something

[LuckyLuciano]

I think cheeky is intensely scummy as of page 6

What in particular is scummy to you?

She feels very directionless and uncomfortable. There’s also the sense that she cares a lot about how she’s perceived here and is being a lot more measured. When I’ve seen her as town she’s been much more abrasive and demanding, and this is very clearly different to that. Neither is totally condemning on its own, but I think the two together are

bad

What about early-game town play

isn't

directionless? Wouldn't mafia be more likely to act with clear direction early on as they actually have info to guide their play?

Whats your take on that slot?

About as obvtown as obvtown gets.

Also why do you think Titus is scummy?

I find her play opportunistic. I think her EOD gameplan for DP1 wasn't pro-town at all. I can't find a reason why town!scum would help build the wagon on Tapi, claim that they will intervene in SE voice once a wagon starts, and then disrupt the wagon without talking in SE voice immediately after. I don't like the Tapi/Titus interactions. I don't like how Titus has only taken action this game against players who scumread her. I don't like how the moment Karnage declared that he thought Tapi/Titus were a scumteam that they both immediately pounced on him and built the foundation for his eventual lynch.

[Menalque]

No, actually. Mafia I think struggle to have direction especially in the very early game because they have the pieces to the puzzle already and so are trying to create the illusion of looking for more information. Town ask questions that are designed to give them more information and to sort. Scum ask questions about irrelevant things or questions they think they should ask. I think cheeky’s questions aren’t on things she would necessarily care about as town and they’re asked in a way that makes me think she is trying to avoid undue attention/to play nice. Generally scum are much more motivated to do that

I’m only about 250 posts I but so far I don’t see what you’re talking about re:Titus, but could be because I’m not there yet. So you think karnage had the scumteam nailed and they combined pushed him to eliminate him? Why not NK him in that circumstance?

[Menalque]

OH I JUST FIGURED OUT WHO ONE OF KARNAGE’S ALTS IS

[Menalque]

Fucking finally that’s been bugging me for months

[Menalque]

Homura feels sort of scummy but I think I always think homura feels kind of scummy

[Menalque]

Politeness!bias

[LuckyLuciano]

No, actually. Mafia I think struggle to have direction especially in the very early game because they have the pieces to the puzzle already and so are trying to create the illusion of looking for more information. Town ask questions that are designed to give them more information and to sort. Scum ask questions about irrelevant things or questions they think they should ask. I think cheeky’s questions aren’t on things she would necessarily care about as town and they’re asked in a way that makes me think she is trying to avoid undue attention/to play nice. Generally scum are much more motivated to do that

I’m only about 250 posts I but so far I don’t see what you’re talking about re:Titus, but could be because I’m not there yet. So you think karnage had the scumteam nailed and they combined pushed him to eliminate him? Why not NK him in that circumstance?

Karnage was pretty clearly a mislynch target because of his style of play. It would be not only easier to push a mislynch on him than someone like Phoenix or myself, meaning the lynch on him and NK on Phoenix were both more optimal uses of mafia resources than vice versa, but I also think NKing Karnage NP1 after he called out the scumteam instantly would come under scrutiny in the late-game. In other words, it would have been difficult to NK him without causing people to ask, "Why him?"

[Menalque]

I think karnage was fairly obviously town but then I think Titus was too, although her pushing there does give me some pause

I don’t really know what scum!titus is capable of because I know there was some RL stuff going on both times I’ve gone against her but I wold certainly lean town there

@wooper when you get here can you tell me what you thought of what I’m presuming is going to be a shitfest between Titus and karnage?

[Menalque]

Re-read last night and digested a bit.

Think LL is hard-tunneling town. TSE is town. Cheeky is town. Titus is maybe town, but nebulous. QQ/Crush might be town, but I want to see content I can actually parse.

Earlier Phoenix townlean might be wrong. Lynchpool of {Karnage, Tapioca!slot, Phoenix}. Low confidence on most reads.

I think this is somewhat scummy but I don’t wanna rule out homura just having her reads entirely back to front

[Menalque]

I don’t mean that in a mean way @homura, sorry if it came across like that

Just there are some people where I would say them scumreading all town is strongly scum!indicative whereas for you I’m not sure it is or not

[Menalque]

Titus do you still TR LL?

[Plotinus]

Official Vote Count 2.05

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Lynching

With 7 votes in play, it takes 4 to lynch.

Titus

(2): Wooper, LuckyLuciano

Menalque

(1): Titus

Wooper

(1): Menalque

Not Voting

(3): Crush, Homura, ceejayvinoya

Deadline:

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[Menalque]

Insofar as you’re able to I’d like you to comment on what I’m producing here in real time LL

[Menalque]

@crush @ceejay interested in joining me on wooper?

[LuckyLuciano]

Insofar as you’re able to I’d like you to comment on what I’m producing here in real time LL

I can. I'm not sure what you currently want me to respond to, however.

[Menalque]

Okay, I quite like homura on pg12 even if I don’t really like her content