Newbie 1992 | Game Over

[Karnage]

Vote Count 1.3

Datisi (2) ~

skitter30, Menalque,

skitter30 (1) ~

clidd,

Marashu (1) ~

Datisi,

Not voting (5) ~

Marashu, UnhealthyKids, team rocket queen, GeneralWu, Maduisha,

With 9 alive it's 5 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2020-03-27 19:08:54)

V/LA:

• skitter30 - Fridays and Saturdays

[Menalque]

overall his town seems towny.

yes

[Menalque]

okay dats so who should we Lynch today if not u?

[Maduisha]

kinda don't think generalwu makes sense as scum other than with skitter

I really can't make any association as to what pairs would make sense right now. Mind explaining how you reached that conclusion? That's something I've seen others do in different games, and it always stood out for me, because I feel like the earlier the game is, the hardest associations are to see, so I would like to understand.

there are some things in generalwu that I think are slightly scummy but don't wanna go into for ~*reasons*~ that I'll explain later if needed

skitt having a TR on them could therefore be covering for a buddy who's scum telling because people are generally harder to push when they have someone hard vouching for them, and skitt is more likely to protect a buddy in a newbie than she is to hard bus them imo

so long as skitt is town, I'm willing to trust her read there on top of the townie elements that I see in GW. but just skitt specifically could be protecting him as scum and that makes sense to me as a backup explanation of her not seeing the scummy things

I see, so you're seeing the connection from Skitt's TR on him as a base for speculation about a possible pair working together. If I understand this correctly, this is because of her personality fitting the play, and not because she townread him quickly, right? I think I'm understanding a bit better. Thank you.

Here he is analyzing GW's messages to get an idea of the authenticity of thought of his response. I think Clidd is trying to slowly build a town group of people he trusts after he tests us in different ways. I would say I have a town lean on him, but I also imagine this is a valid strategy for mafia to try and build the town group themselves, so I'm unsure.

clidd doing that seems more towny than scummy, at least to me.

I think it's a towny thing too, but I'm also scared of that exact thought being the thing that makes me lower my guard if he's scum.

yes it's good to not completely rule out the possibility of someone being scum (unless that person is confirmed town)
but it's also not a good idea to tunnel someone by turning his towny posts into scummy ones because "there's always the possibility of him being mafia"

Hey, I'm not "turning his towny post into scummy ones." I pointed out something I found towny about him, but I'm still unsure. Skitt asked me my impressions about Clidd and I thought that comment was the most potentially alignment indicative one, if there's any. The rest of his posts that I didn't mention are talking about our previous game, which is fine.

[Datisi]

My vote's already there.

Yes, it sounds sketch as all shit that I'm saying that when my vote was at the time largely RVS and after both you and skitt have expressed willingness to vote there recently
but fuck

[GeneralWu]

Hey, I'm not "turning his towny post into scummy ones." I pointed out something I found towny about him, but I'm still unsure. Skitt asked me my impressions about Clidd and I thought that comment was the most potentially alignment indicative one, if there's any. The rest of his posts that I didn't mention are talking about our previous game, which is fine.

it seemed to me like you were possibly tunneling
it just seemed to me like you were saying "his post is towny, but I could also use the same post to scumread him later on".

[Menalque]

this is because of her personality fitting the play, and not because she townread him quickly, right?

a little bit of both tbh

but again, this is unlikely. it's more like in the world where we are very wrong on where scum is, then that's a team that makes sense to look at, but if one flips town then it may make the other less likely

[Menalque]

My vote's already there.

Yes, it sounds sketch as all shit that I'm saying that when my vote was at the time largely RVS and after both you and skitt have expressed willingness to vote there recently
but fuck

can you explain why Maru is your top pick for scum?

[team rocket queen]

one thing i was interested in hearing about *didn't* get mentioned but the whole thing gets kinda ruined if i explicitly prod about it so

what's the benefit of saying this? to make us think, "hm, i wonder what it is, let me reread the thread looking for exactly this. oh i think i found something, but i better not draw attention to it." because that does not seem very towny to me.

[clidd]

I need some hours.

Some thoughts came to my mind, but I need to organize them.

[Datisi]

can you explain why Maru is your top pick for scum?

most of it has already been said
the way they kept talking about the mason claim while kind of not really offering anything conclusive about it
also the fact that they've kinda ~disappeared~ but the game is still early i guess

also my "RVS" vote was aimed at them and it was pretty obviously hypocritical
and they didn't really mention it at all later on
and i kinda felt like town is more likely to mention it as opposed to scum being more likely to ignore it

one thing i was interested in hearing about *didn't* get mentioned but the whole thing gets kinda ruined if i explicitly prod about it so

what's the benefit of saying this? to make us think, "hm, i wonder what it is, let me reread the thread looking for exactly this. oh i think i found something, but i better not draw attention to it." because that does not seem very towny to me.

(it was the RVS vote thing explained above)
and i really don't think i have a concrete reply to this
i mentioned it because it was on my mind and i was also curious to other's reactions to my comment as well
do you think mentioning that makes me outright scummy or?

[Maduisha]

Hey, I'm not "turning his towny post into scummy ones." I pointed out something I found towny about him, but I'm still unsure. Skitt asked me my impressions about Clidd and I thought that comment was the most potentially alignment indicative one, if there's any. The rest of his posts that I didn't mention are talking about our previous game, which is fine.

it seemed to me like you were possibly tunneling
it just seemed to me like you were saying "his post is towny, but I could also use the same post to scumread him later on".

I was just thinking that while that's a way to form a town gang, it could also be something used by mafia to get themselves validated. And Clidd usually tries to find a mathematical solution after estabilishing his townreads, I think the ones that have played with him already know he does that. So, we wouldn't bat an eye if he tries to lead the town once more, and precisely not batting an eye at that would be dangerous if he's scum.

I'm saying that he's his usual self and that he's hard to read, that's all.

[team rocket queen]

i mentioned it because it was on my mind and i was also curious to other's reactions to my comment as well
do you think mentioning that makes me outright scummy or?

maybe not outright scummy but i do not understand the benefit, still. upon reviewing the thread looking for something that didn't get mentioned, it did not feel like i was on a quest given to me by a townsperson. thus, my reaction.

[Datisi]

i mentioned it because it was on my mind and i was also curious to other's reactions to my comment as well
do you think mentioning that makes me outright scummy or?

maybe not outright scummy but i do not understand the benefit, still. upon reviewing the thread looking for something that didn't get mentioned, it did not feel like i was on a quest given to me by a townsperson. thus, my reaction.

that's because you weren't. I didn't give a quest out by saying that. it was for the one person that i was looking a reaction from (which is now moot since i outed what the thing was anyway)

[skitter30]

i should really start @ing people my bad

re: skitt
yeah
that does make sense

yeah so i guess the problem that i'm having is that you seem to be kinda like acknowledging that this is a thing but not doing much about it

skitt

, maduisha
trq, generalwu, clidd
datisi, maru

this is mildly worrying

@skitt I think trq is lowkey towny

y tho

[skitter30]

wait most people here are in Europe right
so I'm like the only one in the odd time zone

i'm in the us, est

[skitter30]

and skitt is more likely to protect a buddy in a newbie than she is to hard bus them imo

this is true

[skitter30]

a lot of our reads seem similar to me, but my conversation with generalwu was largely non-productive so i get why it was scummy.

ya this is fair

[skitter30]

so from reading some of menalque's posts I feel like he's towny
since he's actually giving reads and overall his town seems towny.
also he has an attitude to solve the game.

i'm a little nervous about townbinning him just yet

[Datisi]

i should really start @ing people my bad

re: skitt
yeah
that does make sense

yeah so i guess the problem that i'm having is that you seem to be kinda like acknowledging that this is a thing but not doing much about it

i'm acknoledging it because i actually agree with it
like i can feel that I'm not as ~towny~ as i usually am

i'm not doing much about it because as of right now i am not able to do much about it
because if i *force* stuff like reads it's going to sound fake and just dig me deeper
my hope is to hopefully townspew as soon as i'm able to

[Menalque]

skitt

, maduisha
trq, generalwu, clidd
datisi, maru

this is mildly worrying

@skitt I think trq is lowkey towny

y tho

(1) just because I top TR you doesn't mean that you're not one of my least confident reads

(2) they just seem very out there so far -- like regardless of the truth of the claim, it's a way to bring a load of attention onto your slot and I don't see newb!scum being keen to do that. basically the only case I see that as likely is in a possible coaching scenario, and I don't see you or dats as the style of player to encourage a play like that from the beginning of the game

[skitter30]

i should really start @ing people my bad

re: skitt
yeah
that does make sense

yeah so i guess the problem that i'm having is that you seem to be kinda like acknowledging that this is a thing but not doing much about it

i'm acknoledging it because i actually agree with it
like i can feel that I'm not as ~towny~ as i usually am

i'm not doing much about it because as of right now i am not able to do much about it
because if i *force* stuff like reads it's going to sound fake and just dig me deeper
my hope is to hopefully townspew as soon as i'm able to

ok
do u think pressure will help, or that you more need space to do your thing?

[skitter30]

(1) just because I top TR you doesn't mean that you're not one of my least confident reads

(2) they just seem very out there so far -- like regardless of the truth of the claim, it's a way to bring a load of attention onto your slot and I don't see newb!scum being keen to do that. basically the only case I see that as likely is in a possible coaching scenario, and I don't see you or dats as the style of player to encourage a play like that from the beginning of the game

2) it was obviously a meme claim and i think people are way overthinking it

[Datisi]

i think i'm going to ignore pressure as best as i can
the only time i forced myself to get reads out bc of pressure it resulted in a 80-something page shitfight and ultimately my mislynch
but i don't want to tell you to remove your vote if you believe it's in the right place

[skitter30]

i think it's in the right place but it's early enough that i can back off a bit to give you space if you think that will help u towntell