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[Datisi]

if the entirety of your towncase is the fact that he asked "how many games have you been in" and supported getting out of RVS asap - which I

strongly

disagree with btw, my first thought when i'm scum is to get away from RVS as fast as humanly possible - then actually idk what to tell you

pedit: oh cool he asked questions. did he ever *do* anything with those questions. like those questions are literally nothing other than empty air.

[GeneralWu]

I did however look at marashu's other posts and it seems like he hasn't followed up on those questions.
it could be a time thing though
since he's responsible and not posting during work hours (even though I highly recommend posting anyways to show your boss that you can't be oppressed)

[GeneralWu]

if the entirety of your towncase is the fact that he asked "how many games have you been in" and supported getting out of RVS asap - which I

strongly

disagree with btw, my first thought when i'm scum is to get away from RVS as fast as humanly possible - then actually idk what to tell you

pedit: oh cool he asked questions. did he ever *do* anything with those questions. like those questions are literally nothing other than empty air.

in the post where I talked about his questions, I also said that the first paragraph of the post I quoted was pretty towny.

[Datisi]

please elaborate because i really don't see what was towny about it

and like he later on has this post:

i think i'm going to ignore pressure as best as i can

Dat's explosion aside, I find skitt's interaction around this post interesting. Skitt asks whether or not to apply pressure, then asks if Dat needs a chance to towntell, then puts on pressure while Dat is exploding, then unvotes to remove pressure.

@clidd: last I saw you had a townlean on Wu. Why are you suddenly cautious about him specifically?

@trq: why is your entire case on dat is based on joke votes and other games? Especially after you pushed to move away from joke votes. Has anything else from this game stood out?

which is again nothing but more questions, i'm p sure i asked somewhere why did he ask the questions he did, no response, the first paragraph is lit nothing, and once skitt questioned him about it he also doesn't respond

so

why are you all of a sudden towncasing him?

[word321]

I do agree Marashu IS suspicious; he has 10 posts in total. #10, #30, #110, #257, #301, #302 are basically conversation/informationless posts (as in equally doable by town or mafia).
That leaves #24, #108, #251, #450. 4 measly posts of something.
Now, we may say that some behavior steems from those posts in a more meaningful way, like what Wu said, in a transition from RVS or what nots, but personally, i cant find that as anything more than at most a bland indicative of townie. It is still perfectly reasonable for him to be scum despite those indicatives. And considering the low amount of posts, even though he posted on 17 night, 18 morning, 18 night, 19 morning AND 19 night (considering work, just night), He has had plenty of oportunities to talk more. Now, of course, he may be town, and has work, and yada yada. But a low amount of conversation is a bad sign by itself.
But it is still just that, a low amount of conversation, and need to be taken as such.

[word321]

and of course, as yall pointed out, those 4 posts are full of questions, more than answers.

[word321]

btw, morning and night may difer in europe. havent thought of that.

[Datisi]

Word, do you have other people you find suspicious? (other than Marashu and clidd i guess) anyone you think is town?

[Maduisha]

Hello, Word! Welcome to the game. I hope the amount of posts didn't overwhelm you.

I would like to understand more about your suspicion about Clidd, since you mentioned the words "emotional manipulation" in post 550. As I understand it, you want to convey the fact that you think he might be trying to bias me towards him by using praise. Is this correct? I would not call it emotional manipulation, personally. But, I just want to have a clear idea of what you meant there. Do you think the fact that he inspected my ISO in detail and nobody else's is suspicious? Or just the fact that he approached in a "teacher" kind of tone by saying I've learned, etc?

not really bc I dont have too much time rn

Also, hi, GW. I know you said you'd probably wouldn't have much time until Saturday, but we have been talking about you recently. I was wondering if you'd address Datisi's concern about your last few messages (before your recent appearance).

[clidd]

Im back, reading soon.

[word321]

Word, do you have other people you find suspicious? (other than Marashu and clidd i guess) anyone you think is town?

scumhunting - looking for people who aren't trying to townhunt or scumhunt, looking for people who are taking oppurtunistic stances, looking for people who may be playing a 'political' game in that they're making reads that are likely to go down in well in the current gamestate or are positioning themselves to score mislycnhes, looking for people who's thoughts don't seem to be coming from a cohesive approach to the game

from the above, i townread skitter as town; it seems she thinks town shouldt position themselves in oportunistic positions to lynch ppl, but she joines Menalque in applying pressure to u. if u r scum, u try not to be scum, but this may as well be a wifom. Now, im not saying this is compromising in any way; it is by no means a true indicative. But ur situation was precarious, so it may be seen as planting the seeds of doubt, since it is true u pushed for answers without truly compromising. In that sense, i would think she is town (for not acting acording to her percieved town).

Now, this is all gut feeling again, and may be all wrong, of course.

Hello, Word! Welcome to the game. I hope the amount of posts didn't overwhelm you.

I would like to understand more about your suspicion about Clidd, since you mentioned the words "emotional manipulation" in post 550. As I understand it, you want to convey the fact that you think he might be trying to bias me towards him by using praise. Is this correct? I would not call it emotional manipulation, personally. But, I just want to have a clear idea of what you meant there. Do you think the fact that he inspected my ISO in detail and nobody else's is suspicious? Or just the fact that he approached in a "teacher" kind of tone by saying I've learned, etc?

not really bc I dont have too much time rn

Also, hi, GW. I know you said you'd probably wouldn't have much time until Saturday, but we have been talking about you recently. I was wondering if you'd address Datisi's concern about your last few messages (before your recent appearance).

its as you say; as i have said earlier, he can bea a town asset or a rly good scum. the teacher kind of tone, when trying to reveal to the whole town certain behaviours or perceptions of a person, is unnecesary; clidd is a calculating guy as far as i saw, and that is good (when town). but he is also a nice person, and that may be bad for town. being nice makes talking with someone easier in general; so being overly nice is bad for town, cause it boosts an individual and not the colective. this is some sort of emotional manipulation, but again emotional manipulation is a broad concept; its good most of the times, for the individual and everyone else, but i dnt think so in this game.
So its that, lack of impartiality. and as far as i know, that may be deliberate. his calculating attitude supports that.
Finally, no one rly considered it, so im putting it on the table, and that is all there is in it.
TLDR: he acted overly nice, overly nice is good for the individual more than the colective, hence bad for town.

[word321]

Greetings clidd
I may sound biased against you, but i swear i have no bad intentions. Im actually against an early lynch cause i feel u can be an asset for the town. But ill keep an eye, thats for sure.

[clidd]

Don't worry, in 5 minutes of reading I identified that your tone is town.

We just need to align some disagreements to be able to interact positively.

[Datisi]

if u r scum, u try not to be scum, but this may as well be a wifom.

what do you mean by this?

[clidd]

Word

also reminds me of my own tone in one of my first games on the forum:

( https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=81841 )

[word321]

if u r scum, u try not to be scum, but this may as well be a wifom.

what do you mean by this?

the fact that when u r scum, odds are u r actively trying not to be scum; so if u do something that is scum under ur conception of scum, u r failing to actively not be scum.
Now, maybe skitter didnt even think was she was doing was somethin more scumlike; so i may be overreading things by a mile. but its day 1 and all.
wifom is wine in front of me, a famous scene from the princess bride, known to most variant of mafia (if u know what it is, ignore this). she may have said she acts like that to doubleguess someone analyzing it. but this is overeading, probably.

[word321]

Word

also reminds me of my own tone in one of my first games on the forum:

( https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=81841 )

will read.

[word321]

so clidd, any reason to talk like u did in post 253? anything is fine, personal convictions or whatnots. But some enlightment on ur way of thinking would be nice.

[Datisi]

i know what wifom is, i was kinda confused by your sentence because i thought it was talking about me, not skitter. i don't think i exactly agree with your reasoning, but i do think it's genuine? so

i think i might be slightly spooked at you constantly repeating that "what you're saying might be wrong" (like that applies to any town in the game) but ehh i'm not sure whether that's actually scum!indicative or not

pedit: btw, you can link posts (example: 253) by writing this:

Code: Select all

[post]253[/post]

makes it easier to navigate your posts.

[word321]

thanks thanks

[clidd]

so clidd, any reason to talk like u did in post 253? anything is fine, personal convictions or whatnots. But some enlightment on ur way of thinking would be nice.

In our past game, Maduisha was in a difficult situation:

Spoiler:

I'm very bored and I actually don't care anymore if he turns up scum or townie, or whatever I might look after this, so I'm actually hammering him.

VOTE: Phi Kappa Phi

Reason: I'm jealous of his Phi profile picture.

Vote Count 1.7

Phi Kappa Phi (5) ~

OldMapleNostalgia, JacksonVirgo, ObviousScum, clidd, Maduisha,

~LYNCH

clidd (1) ~

Phi Kappa Phi,

GeneralWu (1) ~

72offsuit,

Not voting (2) ~

GeneralWu, ceejayvinoya,

With 9 alive it's 5 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2020-03-01 19:00:00)

V/LA: none

Night 1

Phi Kappa Phi was lynched day 1. They were a

Vanilla Townie

It is now Night 1. Deadline for night actions is (expired on 2020-02-26 07:40:18). If an affirmative response is received from all players, via PM or PT, we will have a "Fast Night".

I'm a bit pissed that I only suspected 2 people and they both turned out green, I suck at this game more than I remembered. Anyway, we now have more info about our role layout... which is not good...

But isn't it exciting?!

Hum. You could have heard Kappa's defense before deciding the premature hammer. Your action significantly damaged my read about you.

I'm a bit pissed that I only suspected 2 people and they both turned out green, I suck at this game more than I remembered. Anyway, we now have more info about our role layout... which is not good...

But isn't it exciting?!

Hum. You could have heard Kappa's defense before deciding the premature hammer. Your action significantly damaged my read about you.

I know that, but I was bored. Next time don't put people on L-1 before they come back to post if you're really that concerned.

I'm very bored and I actually don't care anymore if he turns up scum or townie, or whatever I might look after this, so I'm actually hammering him.

VOTE: Phi Kappa Phi

Reason: I'm jealous of his Phi profile picture.

This sounds like some lazy excuse for scum to quickly hammer a townie after seeing that the townie was at L-1。

As I said before, I believe lurkers aren't inherently scummy during the first day. And in your case, I thought it was a matter of real life constraints, since the game master was speaking about grabbing a substitute for you. Hence wanting to wait to see if you appeared, instead of trying to lynch someone that hadn't posted yet, for no other reasons. Inactivity is a good indicator of how scummy someone is, if you're trying not to get noticed by others, but in this case nobody thought of that because of it being the first day and what I already said. If later on, someone were to try to post small messages with no real substance and try to disappear for as long as they could, I'd agree with wanting to pressure them or vote them, but I was talking about the game state as of right now.

This quote from earlier is pretty much a direct contradiction to that hammer post.

VOTE: Maduisha

It would have been better if you let Kappa claim first

So just some quick thoughts from me, while I have the time in between midterms. Sorry, I won't be able to format well because this is off my phone.

Maduisha:
Phi was giving off scum vibes to me, mainly because he ignored people calling him out for his overall strange behavior to the game. With that said, Madu hammered WAY too early on Phi, AND her reasoning as to hammering him is just complete garbage. Being bored with the game does not justify hammering someone that hasn't had a chance to respond at L-1. She took the opportunity to move on to the next day and ran with it. Bad hammers are a thing, but this was an ABSOLUTE SCUM PLAY in my eyes. VOTE: Maduisha

Look at yourselves, you got the vanilla townie lynched. I suggest we lynch the hammerer next.

Putting people on L-1 is dangerous!

Okay
VOTE: Maduisha

Basically, she hammered a town and all the players pushed her. However, based on a logical and behavioral analysis involving the emotional interpretation of her actions, I was able to come to the conclusion that the act had not come from a scum, but from genuine misconduct as a town. So I developed this theory with the other players and managed to direct everyone's vote to another slot, saving Maduisha from being a misslynch.

Full discussion

--> ( https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=82235 )

So the fact that I congratulated her refers to that event, as I am happy to be able to read her correctly as town again. It's almost like a relief, as I took a lot of risks with this read in that game, because if I was wrong, we would probably lose the game there (because she went to lylo and managed to hammer correctly later). In other words, my conduct in post 253 was just a conclusion of the experiences that Maduisha witnessed with the evolution that she presented in the game we are in.

[clidd]

I'll take a look at TRQ individually now.

[word321]

So the fact that I congratulated her refers to that event, as I am happy to be able to read her correctly as town again. It's almost like a relief, as I took a lot of risks with this read in that game, because if I was wrong, we would probably lose the game there (because she went to lylo and managed to hammer correctly later). In other words, my conduct in post 253 was just a conclusion of the experiences that Maduisha witnessed with the evolution that she presented in the game we are in.

i see. that seems reasonable. of course, i still think its a dangerous move, but i guess it was well intended regardless of possible alignments.

[Karnage]

I've been sitting here waiting to grab the page top...

[Karnage]

...but I've grown impatient