Newbie 1992 | Game Over

[skitter30]

This is an interaction of Skitter I didn’t like.

ok, why don't you like it?

[Malakittens]

There’s just a feeling that you came off that you could potentially felt like the claim was real, but you tried to deflect off it like you didn’t believe it

[Malakittens]

What *have* you read? Any reads/explanation for your vote?

Not much if you’re wondering. I didn’t really bother reading til Day 2 dawned because I didn’t want to get all of my posts together and waste my time to find i been killed during the night. Right now it’s more of a gut read than anything else.

[Datisi]

Thoughts on Marashu?

[skitter30]

There’s just a feeling that you came off that you could potentially felt like the claim was real, but you tried to deflect off it like you didn’t believe it

no, I thought it wasn't real, and thought that the fact that mara *was* ascribing significance to it was both scummy and anti-partner-y

[Malakittens]

Wow, ok, the day's just starting and I'm already L-2.

I have a reason for thinking that I was wrong about skitt and that she is town. Also, Mena pivoting from town to town as scum doesn't make sense to me either so Mala is probably town as well. So that means the scum has to be in {clidd, Dat, Mad, word}.

I don't like how Mad jumped onto my wagon right away today. On D1 she jumped from Wu to me back to Wu, but then Mena was talking about how she was super town because of that. I know we can't ask him, but can anyone else explain how that action is town?

clidd/Mad and clidd/word make sense to me. so does Dat/Mad but less so. clidd/Dat doesn't make too much sense to me (clidd clearing Dat was based on Wu being scum, and with that pairing both know that Wu would be town). The dynamic between Dat/Mad on D1 and again today doesn't feel like they would be a team. Dat/word and Mad/word are possible - I don't remember much interaction there of note so I think I'd need to review that.

This felt like a town post

[Malakittens]

I, however, didn’t like Mara putting her thoughts on who the second/living mason is.

I just don’t see scum!Mara doing that when scum has daytalk

[Maduisha]

Hello, Malakittens. I don't know if you have more reasons to vote Datisi other than the post you quoted, but I would like to understand what's scummy about it. You said it's because it feels like he's fishing for information, but note that it was RVS and interacting with the first posts is essential to get the game moving, and hers was the one standing out the most. She even posted the original game thread herself, so I feel like she wanted such connection, even.

As you can see, Marashu has 2 votes right after the start of the day, and Clidd has a mental vote on him too (to not put him at L-1, I presume). I don't know if you think he's more towny or scummy because you haven't read everything yet, but as of your two last posts, I feel like you're getting a towny vibe from him. I don't know if you'll end up catching up or deciding not to, but I would like for you to read his ISO at least (29 posts, it's not much). That way, even if you don't want to vote him, you'll be on the same page as us when he's lynched, because you'll see the scummy behavior in his posts.

Those would be:

- He took the mason claim seriously right away.

- He constantly addressed (seemingly) random people with generic questions, then disappeared. When he came back later, he repeated the process. This coupled with his scarce activity totally pings us like a scum player trying to stay relevant.

- He accused Skitter with a post full of reasons why he suspects her, but when she addressed all of his points one by one, he didn't address her post at all and only backed down from the accusation later, still not commenting her answer at all. It feels like he wanted to gain time (he made the post when he had a lot of people voting him) and distract the attention away from him. Once the attention dispersed and we started pushing GWu, he discarded the accusation.

- Information instead of analysis. His posts often contain this.

I'm not asking you to change your vote, but I would like for you to understand the situation at hand as best as possible.

[Maduisha]

Also, Mena pivoting from town to town as scum doesn't make sense to me either so Mala is probably town as well.

Also, I noticed before that he used his own alignment to base his read on Skitter, but I didn't notice he did the same thing with the Menalque/Malakittens slot. I'm not saying this is inherently scummy, but it seems that he's basing all his town reads on his own town status instead of having a formed opinion about the player's behavior. I don't know if anyone is in this with me, but I'm not liking it much.

[word321]

if both wagons were town and I'm scum why do I care about which of gw or marashu get lynched

If you have a partner that pushed gws wagon, u stay in a good position to push the second lynch on a second town. Even if u dont have, when men began the gw wagon, there was enough animosity against gw to believe he would be lynched, and even if he didnt, there would be no consequences in staying with mara, since that wouldnt be a lynchless day.

[word321]

I nulled mala, since she only rly talked about day 1, wich is plausible considering the length of the thread. That still makes the slot scummy. But I may as well ask, what makes u believe there is scum in the SE payers?

[word321]

And since the day its arriving at its (practical) end:
VOTE: mara
This is L-1

[word321]

its arriving

is*

[Datisi]

partly tempted to drop the lolhammer, but i really don't intend to let mala coast through the gameday with only page 1 discussion and vote.

so, uh... how's everyone?

[skitter30]

UNVOTE:

[clidd]

Im back.

[Marashu]

VOTE: word321

I don't like how you're trying to rush the day. There was a lull because people were waiting for mala to post more details about the case on Dat. I find the case lackluster and also feel like more scrutiny is required, and find it odd that you seem to have just accepted the little that mala shared and are ready to move to the next day. It feels like it doesn't matter what mala had posted because you are committed to ending the day. You wanted to hold off a fast lynch for discussion, but you seem resolved that discussion has reached its end.

Also, at the start of the day you didn't remember that I had already claimed on D1. Maybe you did forget, but if you were town I feel like you would be keeping track of people to make sure they stay consistent.

As for your votes for me, on D1 your case was that whether I was town or mafia, my flip would benefit town, and that you don't want someone with a low post count in lylo. You had the same wishy-washy approach to sr'ing Wu on D1, at one point indicating you would vote for him but wanted to wait for a while, and later coming back ready to hammer when others were also ready to hammer. Now today it sounds like your reasoning is:

As I see, mar is going to be the next lynch.

(That's a bit of a harsh strawman, so allow me to rephrase for your actual case. At the start of the day you thought that I might be town but assert that what I say should not change the lynch. Then you comment that the same thing that happened on D1 might be happening on D2, and in the same post ask for a list of other possible lynch candidates. This is another red flag to me - why do you want other people to come up with lynch candidates? You later go on to say that I will be lynched today or tomorrow, and that you just want to get it done today.)

You seem convinced to lynch me regardless of whether I am town or scum. I have to ask: Am I your top scum read? Or are you voting for me because you believe my lynch would benefit the town?

[Marashu]

Also, Mena pivoting from town to town as scum doesn't make sense to me either so Mala is probably town as well.

Also, I noticed before that he used his own alignment to base his read on Skitter, but I didn't notice he did the same thing with the Menalque/Malakittens slot. I'm not saying this is inherently scummy, but it seems that he's basing all his town reads on his own town status instead of having a formed opinion about the player's behavior. I don't know if anyone is in this with me, but I'm not liking it much.

I am making opinions based on a player's behaviour. My alignment is the only thing I actually know and so I judge the behaviour of others based on that context. To me, the Mena/Mala behaviour did not make sense if they are mafia.

[Marashu]

Unless you think I'm making LAMIST reads?

[clidd]

Posts

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, Malakittens.

Spoiler:

As for TRQ in the beginning of page 1 I thought it was a mere joke to have a mason claim right off the bat. I also snickered at the fact why would someone claim mason in a newbie game and realized that it changed to include mason’s. I also felt like some players had a townlean from it.

I have to agree that I think there’s scum between the experienced players {Datisi, clidd & Skitter}

There’s also a good chance I won’t be reading all 54 pages. So feel free to scum read me for that IDC. It’s more I don’t have time for it and prob won’t dig into detail unless we have a scum flip that way I can PoE.

I also didn’t have a good feeling about Clidd post to TRQ mason claim. It felt like fishing and then Datisi post I had the same feeling.

[119, 120, 121, 122, 123] ~

Sequence of posts that she's talking about

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This is an interaction of Skitter I didn’t like.

Any reason you are copying Saudade's intro from that game?

Felt like fishing trying to get more information out. Obv i read TQR post as a joke to get the ball rolling rather than a real claim

ok, why don't you like it?

There’s just a feeling that you came off that you could potentially felt like the claim was real, but you tried to deflect off it like you didn’t believe it

What *have* you read? Any reads/explanation for your vote?

Not much if you’re wondering. I didn’t really bother reading til Day 2 dawned because I didn’t want to get all of my posts together and waste my time to find i been killed during the night. Right now it’s more of a gut read than anything else.

[1264] ~

Marashu

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This felt like a town post

I, however, didn’t like Mara putting her thoughts on who the second/living mason is.

I just don’t see scum!Mara doing that when scum has daytalk

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As for TRQ in the beginning of page 1 I thought it was a mere joke to have a mason claim right off the bat. I also snickered at the fact why would someone claim mason in a newbie game and realized that it changed to include mason’s. I also felt like some players had a townlean from it.

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- Good mindset.

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I have to agree that I think there’s scum between the experienced players {Datisi, clidd & Skitter}

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- The previous premise that it would not be natural for a newbie to come to the conclusion that the claim was true appears to be in line with the reasoning behind this agreement.

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There’s also a good chance I won’t be reading all 54 pages. So feel free to scum read me for that IDC. It’s more I don’t have time for it and prob won’t dig into detail unless we have a scum flip that way I can PoE.

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- There is no obligation for you to read all pages. The correct sentence here would be

"I will not read all of the content, but I will try to focus on the main events, to have at least a partial notion of who I will vote for"

. The negative posture seemed to me to be a potential attempt to evade responsibility, and it may be due to a particular interpersonal characteristic of yours, or to a potentially scum retroactive involuntary reaction. Perhaps an unconscious response to our pressure to get a quick response from you, which caused annoyance in the face of excessive expectations about your testimony and intensified the feeling of frustration that occurred during the 5 minute time gap between posts 1338 and 1339, where after starting the chronological reading you noticed that the number of pages in the game would be greater than your content retention capacity, therefore, you chose not to be overloaded by not having a strong motivation to justify effort on your part and, bearing in mind that players were waiting for answers from your slot, it would be interesting to warn in advance that you would act from the present forward, with a greater emphasis on the information that emerges rather than focusing on details from the past.

- In any case, I will make a mental note of this post to develop later. In isolation, I cannot reach a definitive conclusion without entering the speculative field.

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I also didn’t have a good feeling about Clidd post to TRQ mason claim. It felt like fishing and then Datisi post I had the same feeling.

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- You are probably referring to my post 15, precisely the meaning of the question marks, correct ? if so, I would like you to describe your feeling objectively, so that I can understand your interpretation.

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This is an interaction of Skitter I didn’t like.

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There’s just a feeling that you came off that you could potentially felt like the claim was real, but you tried to deflect off it like you didn’t believe it

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- Hum. I sympathize with your observation.

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Not much if you’re wondering. I didn’t really bother reading til Day 2 dawned because I didn’t want to get all of my posts together and waste my time to find i been killed during the night. Right now it’s more of a gut read than anything else.

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- What leads you to think that you will be killed during the night instead of any other player who has been at the beginning of the game and has followed the events ? I would understand if you reaffirm the posture mentioned earlier, which suggests that you will not be overloaded by the game, but I do not understand the adherence to the premise of

''loss of time due to premature death''

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[1264] ~ ''

This felt like a town post

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- I partially agree, the inclusion of Maduisha in his PoE of lynchs seemed superficial, considering that naturally Town!Marashu would have a TR on her or at least consider that she is town due to the number of players who see her as a townread. Even so, still a valid demonstration of possible transparency in his opinion.

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I, however, didn’t like Mara putting her thoughts on who the second/living mason is.

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I just don’t see scum!Mara doing that when scum has daytalk

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- Unless instructed by his partner to do so, considering that he would be lynched yesterday or today. But yes, it is plausible with the scenario in which Town!Marashu tries to speculate who the second mason is to shape his particular PoE.

[clidd]

Also,

@Marashu

I would like you to clarify which activities consume your time on a daily basis. I feel that your workload is slightly higher than I imagined, since you have an average of only 2 posts a day at most, and you only made 32 posts in a game that is going to post 1370. There is some additional detail that you are omitting, and I believe I need this information otherwise I will not be able to take your slot seriously.

[clidd]

And since the day its arriving at its (practical) end:
VOTE: mara
This is L-1

We actually have a few days to use. I don't believe that the practical end has come yet.

[Marashu]

Tonight's a night I do have some time. This is out of game stuff so read into it as you will, but I'm a software developer for a company that makes software for food banks. I'm usually working during the day and on the odd evening (like last night) I may need to do some extra hours to try getting some features rolled out in time considering the state of thing, but as a general rule I make a point of ending by 4:30. When I signed on I figured I would have a few hours to play per evening and probably an hour in the morning before work, but I've been sleeping through my alarm lately and not having time to post in the morning. As for the evenings, when I signed up I failed to factor in that my wife would also have a lot of extra time (she's normally a busy person and is usually not home in the evenings), and has been expecting my attention. To be specific:
Post 450 was interrupted
Post 1179 was distracted (and I was told that if I can't split my attention then I shouldn't be posting in the first place)

I try to at least read posts during work breaks so I can at least stay caught up on what's happening, but I try to do more analysis when I revisit it later. I'm making efforts to at least manage my time and my posts better as I adapt, which I hope are coming through D2.

[Malakittens]

Hello, Malakittens. I don't know if you have more reasons to vote Datisi other than the post you quoted, but I would like to understand what's scummy about it. You said it's because it feels like he's fishing for information, but note that it was RVS and interacting with the first posts is essential to get the game moving, and hers was the one standing out the most. She even posted the original game thread herself, so I feel like she wanted such connection, even.

As you can see, Marashu has 2 votes right after the start of the day, and Clidd has a mental vote on him too (to not put him at L-1, I presume). I don't know if you think he's more towny or scummy because you haven't read everything yet, but as of your two last posts, I feel like you're getting a towny vibe from him. I don't know if you'll end up catching up or deciding not to, but I would like for you to read his ISO at least (29 posts, it's not much). That way, even if you don't want to vote him, you'll be on the same page as us when he's lynched, because you'll see the scummy behavior in his posts.

Those would be:

- He took the mason claim seriously right away.

- He constantly addressed (seemingly) random people with generic questions, then disappeared. When he came back later, he repeated the process. This coupled with his scarce activity totally pings us like a scum player trying to stay relevant.

- He accused Skitter with a post full of reasons why he suspects her, but when she addressed all of his points one by one, he didn't address her post at all and only backed down from the accusation later, still not commenting her answer at all. It feels like he wanted to gain time (he made the post when he had a lot of people voting him) and distract the attention away from him. Once the attention dispersed and we started pushing GWu, he discarded the accusation.

- Information instead of analysis. His posts often contain this.

I'm not asking you to change your vote, but I would like for you to understand the situation at hand as best as possible.

Right now I’m less inclined to vote Mara over Datisi. I’m prob not going to move my vote as of yet unless something more appealing happens. It’s just the motives for the fishing. It just didn’t feel ~natural~.

I’ll take a look at the ISO.

I nulled mala, since she only rly talked about day 1, wich is plausible considering the length of the thread. That still makes the slot scummy. But I may as well ask, what makes u believe there is scum in the SE payers?

I think either scum in the SE players to be able to spot that TQR was actually truthfully claiming in his beginning post or that scum at least is in players that have some familiarity with TQR. Yes I’m looking at you Datisi.

And since the day its arriving at its (practical) end:
VOTE: mara
This is L-1

We have four days, we are not ending this day just yet.

partly tempted to drop the lolhammer, but i really don't intend to let mala coast through the gameday with only page 1 discussion and vote.

so, uh... how's everyone?

Let’s not and say we did about the lolhammers. I actually detest them with all of fiery passion and will say I have gotten people lynched in other games for that exact reason.

[Malakittens]

On an unrelated note: I know how overwhelming feels during this Covidbullshit. I am a prehospital healthcare worker (during my free time) + a grocery worker ($$$) + a paramedic student. I have so many ~feels~