Newbie 1992 | Game Over

[skitter30]

clidd is very firmly town

[Datisi]

i very much agree

where are you with the rest of the game skit?

[skitter30]

i am possibly wondering if i am tunneled on mara

[Datisi]

s p i c y

tell me more

[skitter30]

i'm wondering, as clidd and mala pointed out, if scum repeatedly point out the mason thing

[skitter30]

yeah that's kinda it , which is problematic
but the gamestate is also p complacent with a mara lynch, which worries me

[Datisi]

i think you earlier said something about the lynch not going through yesterday which made you more sure in pushing it today

what's the difference with the fact that the lynch seems to not be happening -again-?

[skitter30]

well it's mostly not happening because i unvoted ...
it was at l-1 until that point

everyone is just super complacent with it; he's either town or being bussed i think
which is difficult to reconcile with mara/mena, which is also giving me pause

[Datisi]

right, i was thinking more mala and clidd resisting it as well but ye you're right

which is difficult to reconcile with mara/mena, which is also giving me pause

i don't know what reconcile means, and i'm not sure if i got the right meaning of this, do you mean that it's making you doubt it's a possible mena/mara team?

[skitter30]

Yeah
Basically the gamrstate feels like scum are fine with mara getting lynched
So he's town or getting bussed
But mala is decidedly defending him
So if scum are bussing him that doesnt really match with my mara/mala team
Which is why i'm kinda ok with exploring mala rn

[Datisi]

i could make an argument that mala doesn't exactly have a lot of ~thread presence~ and am unsure how much could she be influencing the game state for that? if that point even makes sense i hope it does

i might be tunnelling on mara/mala

if mala!town then who tf is scum?

[skitter30]

Ya that's true
If town!mara it would have to be 2 of {datisi, word, mala}
Since clidd and maduisha are town

I dont feel super good about town!mara tbh, it was more a gamestate read than anything else

[Datisi]

I sincerely hope mara is scum because i think there is one scum in mara/skit (unless there's scum in clidd/madu but that thought also scares me)

And i am not liking Town's chances in that lylo

[Datisi]

Unless unless exactly mala/word but 1) i have some weird ass town gutping on word and 2) i remember thinking there's no way it's mala/word and even tho i don't remember the exact posts rn i maybe will dig them up when it's not 4:30am

Anyway ye

[skitter30]

sincerely hope mara is scum because i think there is one scum in mara/skit

?

[Datisi]

So if mara is scum he's scum right ok.

If town!mara it would have to be 2 of {datisi, word, mala}

I think this is an okay PoE, since I also have a townread on clidd and madu

However 1) I'm not scum and 2) i don't think mala/word Actually Works
So that list can have 1 scum fmpov
So
Who is left?

[Malakittens]

Sorry I had an extremely long day and tmrw is gonna be worse. I will however make my presence tmrw through it all.

My reads however in no order, but the first and last.
{Scum —-> Town}

{Datsisi, word, skitter, Mara, Marda, clidd}

[Maduisha]

Clidd, I have two problems with your Marashu read. The first one would be what Skitter already pointed out: nothing impedes a scum player from being busy irl and post on a fixed schedule. The fact that he didn't give up on the game when he was accused isn't AI, in my opinion.

The second would be that you seem to be taking for granted that the mafia knew TRQ was a mason and building your reasoning to profile the culprit based on that. However, it could very well not be the case. Let's not forget that TRQ had people town read her for the crumbing theory being too weird to come from scum, that could be very well the reason why she's dead.

While exploring other options is fine with me, I don't want to let go of Marashu if these possibilities are still plausible. Especially not because the volume of his post history is definitely not the only reason why he's scummy.

[Datisi]

My reads however in no order, but the first and last.
{Scum —-> Town}

{Datsisi, word, skitter, Mara, Marda, clidd}

So... I'm still scum because of page 1 RoLeFisHiNg, there's a townread on clidd now, the ones in the middle are not in order... Where did the Mara townread go?

[clidd]

I came back, now rested. The week has been pretty sporadic lately.

Reading soon.

[Karnage]

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[Marashu]

I also didn’t have a good feeling about Clidd post to TRQ mason claim. It felt like fishing and then Datisi post I had the same feeling.

My reads however in no order, but the first and last.
{Scum —-> Town}

{Datsisi, word, skitter, Mara, Marda, clidd}

I know you said today will be worse than yesterday, but can you please explain what exactly changed to make clidd your top town pick? And what do you mean that the rest are in no order? When will you have time to post?

Deadline is going to be mid-Sunday my time, a bit under 3 days from now. Do we want to ask for a 1-day extension so that Mala will have time during the weekend to post/catch up?

i mean ... he literally said if you're mislynched it's lylo
how is that a scumslip?

The way he was factoring in the numbers for remaining players/mafia. To me it was coming off like he know how I would flip and is trying to reason things based on that rather than trying to figure out whether I am scum or not.

@Mad what are your thoughts on word right now? He only has about 20 or so more posts than me right now, and a bunch of those are EBWOP, so it shouldn't take too long to review.

[clidd]

Post

1419

, Datisi.

Spoiler:

if i remember Day 1 correctly, I think Mala flipping scum would make word town. I think I saw some non-partnery posts between Mena and word.

Possible, but it is a damaging hypothesis to my vision in your slot, because with Word being Town you automatically become a suspect in my PoE.

Posts

1421

,

1422

,

1423

,

1429

~ Skitter.

Spoiler:

1372 can be true as either alignment
the fact that he's busy irl doesn't condemn him, nor does it absolve him

the problem is that when he *is* here his posting quality is quite bad

Yes, post

1372

, in theory, could have been done by both alignments. However, the fact that he is revealing a true fact of his personal life, that is, he's being honest with us, weighs more towards the green alignment, considering that lies, deceptive postures and omission of information are characteristic of scums instances. In other words, the chance that he is telling the truth in the

Town!Marashu

scenario seems greater, in my view, than in the

Scum!Marashu

scenario.

Evidently, that was an emotional read that could be wrong, because circumstances that cannot be measured correctly are being assessed, so I understand the low receptivity to this type of argument. Logically speaking, it is not as valid as a main justification, but it serves as an additional motivation to the points I suggested later in my post.

this is like the easiest thing for scum to lie about
heck, they don't even need to lie about it, it can quite easily be truth

again, i believe it's the truth. it doesn't change, once again, that his posts are bad when he *is* here

I believe that a common scum, with some recent experience in the role, yes.

A new or rusty scum in function ?

no.

That's what I'm considering.

I also believe that it is the truth. It doesn't change but influences why his posts are bad. And that reason is potentially linked to a

Town!Marashu

scenario, as I explained earlier.

it's literally nai. this is no reason to absolve him.
again, *all of this can be true* and he can be too busy to play as town and explaining why, and having a posting history that matches
or, *all of this can be true* and he can be too busy to play as scum, and explaining why, and having a posting history that matches
or he can be scum and using his personal life as an excuse to avoid posting

like any of these are possibilities, and none of this is ai ^^^

and this is why the main points i raised against him way back when were largely *not* activity based

do you have reasons to townread him that are not irl based that could just as well apply if he's scum?

I assume that at this point you have not yet arrived at arguments outside the emotional sphere.

i'm wondering, as clidd and mala pointed out, if scum repeatedly point out the mason thing

Precisely. If we observe the development of Marashu in the game, many actions and reads of him are too strange to come from a scum perspective. Unless instructed by another player, something that I don't see happening because the game is small, with only 2 scums, and the connection I felt between the interpretation of the claim of TRQ and the existence of a

Scum!SE

, which make a suicidal strategy using

Scum!Marashu

to fish PRs unlikely.

Post

1442

, Maduisha.

Spoiler:

Clidd, I have two problems with your Marashu read. The first one would be what Skitter already pointed out: nothing impedes a scum player from being busy irl and post on a fixed schedule. The fact that he didn't give up on the game when he was accused isn't AI, in my opinion.

The second would be that you seem to be taking for granted that the mafia knew TRQ was a mason and building your reasoning to profile the culprit based on that. However, it could very well not be the case. Let's not forget that TRQ had people town read her for the crumbing theory being too weird to come from scum, that could be very well the reason why she's dead.

While exploring other options is fine with me, I don't want to let go of Marashu if these possibilities are still plausible. Especially not because the volume of his post history is definitely not the only reason why he's scummy.

1.

I believe that eventualities outside the game are common and they have an important impact on our performance in other activities, especially leisure activities. When I mentioned Marashu's life situation, I also implied that the fact that he has a tight schedule, with little free time and apparently a lot of responsibilities to deal with, suggested a scenario of stress and little capacity to concentrate individually on the game. The fact that he remained here, appearing occasionally, even with a game state that indicated his lynch, showed that there was still some interest in the direction of the game. The question would be: why

Scum!Marashu

wouldn't give up the pressure of playing scum ? wouldn't it be more natural for him to gradually lose interest until he was lynched without defense ? why when he got L-1 he didn't try to self-hammer to avoid associations with his partner, keeping in mind that most players had his slot as the main option of the day ? wouldn't it be easier to be lynched, finish his participation in the game and try to focus on other leisure activities that take less time and are easier to manage ? why insist on something that is slightly hindering his sleep hours? well, these are the types of questions that lead me to build this emotional read and consider a potential

AI

factor in this interpretation of the facts.

2.

I will be more objective in the answer: let's consider that I am wrong, and my theory of a

Scum!SE

is not correct. This would imply suspicion about non-SE players, like you and Word. Now trying to do a PoE on this, considering you town and Marashu scum, the combination would be

Scum!Marashu

+

Scum!Word

. Does this pair make sense to you ? Word voted for Marashu on day 1 (1233) and put him on L-1 today (1361), while Marashu voted for him too (1366).

Would

Scum!Newbies

be able to correctly interpret the claim of TRQ and make such a hardbuss ?

no, probably not. So theres a

Scum!SE

among mafia.

But sure, let's see others options.

[clidd]

I believe that we need more clarification about Malakittens at the moment. I feel a different energy from her slot.

I would like to understand the full reason for her suspicions on Datisi. I feel like something is being omitted (and I hate when someone is hiding information from me).

[Maduisha]

@Mad what are your thoughts on word right now? He only has about 20 or so more posts than me right now, and a bunch of those are EBWOP, so it shouldn't take too long to review.

That remark of "he only has 20 posts more than me" feels like you're trying to paint it like the accusations on you are entirely because of post volume, which is clearly not the case.

Anyway, I already said before that I feel a bit of a towny vibe from his posts. I don't have a strong read on his slot, but I don't feel like his posts have a scummy mindset. He tries to bring to the table everything that is in his mind, which is good (I find it easier to understand people who post in a way you can understand their thought process).

My most disliked post of his would be this one:

Now, mason has become a VT with a different name. That means the only possible use for that role is to claim and counterclaim effectively, since mafia knows who every town is. I suggest, instead of going straight to a lynch on mar, to make a list of possible suspects due to the recent events. If there is a mason in those suspects, we can immediatly rule him out of the list with his claim. If mar claims though, we lynch him, for possible fishing for a counterclaim, wich would inutilize the strategy.
I believe we dont rly want to lynch mar today. We may always lynch him tomorrow. Instead, lets search for possible suspects outside that, weighting the possibility of him being town; we can always lynch him tomorrow.

Because he forgot you had already claimed VT, but that's not a bid deal, I think. The part about "looking for suspects and if there's a mason we rule them out" could look like role-fishy...? But he posted right after to say "let's not look for masons today", so I guess that's not his intention. So I'm confused by what he meant about that in 1276. Anyway, the part of that fragment that bothers me is this:

I believe we dont rly want to lynch mar today. We may always lynch him tomorrow. Instead, lets search for possible suspects outside that, weighting the possibility of him being town; we can always lynch him tomorrow.

Like, I'm not against looking for partners and other possible scummy vibes in different people, but why is "let's not lynch the main SR today, we can always do it tomorrow" a logical conclusion? Unless I'm mistaking what "today" means, because I understood it as D2, but he might also meant "today" as in the current day. He later voted for you, so I'm not sure what's going on here.

That's all, otherwisely I feel like his posts are either NAI or somewhat towny. I wish he didn't post in walls of text without spaces, though. It makes it harder to follow.