In post 1141, Despair Night wrote:Spiffybringer -
Alright. I have already touched on some of the stuff that bothered me, but I'll do a complete ISO scan.
Interactions with Imperium slot
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p#163 is horrible enough to warrant this explanation. I always look at posts like these and immediately get gut pinged "scum", mainly because I take it as someone looking to replicate previous interactions / rekindle previous memories that would make someone just feel well with regards to their alignment (Spiffy's). Not to say this couldn't be said by a town but I just think it's a weird thing to focus on,
especially when they haven't even posted.
I feel as though a more town way of reacting to slots that you have some history with is to just let them post, and joke with them, rather than just leaving a comment there. I may be biased, but saying it before a slot has even posted feels a lot more like a scum pussy move. You don't say it as a joke while interacting with them, because you don't know how they'd react. Also, it's much more likely when they're doing that catchup, they'll see the post and think "heh, this is town spiffy".
If you skim through Spiff's ISO, you can see that there is almost NO ATTEMPT WHATSOEVER to sort Imperium, but he dedicates a lot of his time denying reads on Imperium, while having no idea what Imperium is. I've always looked at that behaviour as more scum. If you don't think they're town, then why aren't you pushing to confirm your theory? You're sitting on an unexplained read, denying any and all town reads on that slot, without even trying to see whether the reasoning that is given is justified. By denying the reads, you're essentially saying "I can see why he's being town read, but I actively choose to deny town reads on them anyway". Why? If you think they're such weak scum that you can - in your own words - find them on Day 2, wouldn't you be more likely to believe they're just town here? I don't see the connections in your head, it feels a lot more like you don't want Nacho and Tammy to be town read because they can push scum and are powerful town. If you were town, wouldn't you want to harness that strength out of them and work with them? Instead you're doing your best to turn down reads on them.
THAT IS NOT A NATURAL TvT interaction between two slots that have previously played together. There is no town motivation behind denying reads on a player that YOU HAVE NO STANDING ON. You're more worried about the power and credit they're getting, even though I don't really see why it would be such a problem? They literally claimed, you have no reaction based on that post.
P#460 is another example, you have no standing on the slot, you DEMAND a town read on yourself, instead of ASKING WHAT THEIR READ IS ON YOU SO YOU CAN SORT THEM.
P#833 another interaction with Imperium, you joke with them.
P#835 dismissing the slot, looking to distance from them. Why???
Spiffy has done nothing but discrediting and shading the Imperium slot so they wouldn't gain the power of leading lynches. He does nothing to sort them still, every time he gets the chance to engage one of them, he chooses to joke with them instead. This is not town behaviour. If you are town and truly afraid of Imperium gaining power, you wouldn't shut it down without having a read on them, you'd first sort them and then argue.
VOTE: Spiffybringer
This stays for the rest of the day. I won't argue with spiffy. He can defend himself, but I don't think I'm changing my mind. Decide for yourselves whether this is a scum slot or not.
