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Post Post #2300 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:40 am

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Churros, 2-shot BP, 1-shot Gunsmith, 1-shot Vigilante is not balanced for town if there's 3 scum. Unless one is a traitor.
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Post Post #2301 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:40 am

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we don't have much choice because Taly only has 2 scumreads, and at least 1 of them is town, and has declared he/she will join a wagon on either of them. So if Taly is town we lose anyway. So we have to hope Taly is scum, otherwise we're just getting it over with early.
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Post Post #2302 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:41 am

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In post 2299, Churros wrote:
In post 2292, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 2287, Churros wrote:
In post 2282, Battle Mage wrote:That's even more reason to lynch Taly today then.
I skimmed a bunch of posts and didn't nearly read everything yet, but weren't you saying that you wanted to lynch me?

Your reason for wanting to lynch me already didn't make any sense since it was roughly an association/info lynch when we're in
LyLo
, but you're spinning it around now that I hinted at being a PR?

Anyway, I need to count but isn't BM/me confirmed to have scum from any 3rd party PoV and we always lynch here? He voted me for some time, I think everyone aside from me/Alo posted and there was no hammer. Why I feel like people are so mechanically slow nowadays...? Like, no offense but?
And no, I was online for the maybe 20 minutes the vote was left on
. It was pretty obviously bait, and nobody went for it (sadly!). NAI for you, or anyone around at the time.
Ah, I feel a bit stupid now.

I still don't like how you treated my slot though
Don't be over-sensitive about it. If Taly is scum, you were like the only person who nailed it, and nailed it early. So big thumbs up to you!
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Post Post #2303 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:43 am

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In post 2300, Paragon wrote:Churros, 2-shot BP, 1-shot Gunsmith, 1-shot Vigilante is not balanced for town if there's 3 scum. Unless one is a traitor.
I would say "how it's not?" but I actually just remembered that it's a RC's setup.

Yeah, it's probably not balanced for 3 scum in his philosophy. As much unfitting I think neapolitan is in the whole thing, one more town PR seems more likely than not since RC is behind this.
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Post Post #2304 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:46 am

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In post 2302, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 2299, Churros wrote:
In post 2292, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 2287, Churros wrote:
In post 2282, Battle Mage wrote:That's even more reason to lynch Taly today then.
I skimmed a bunch of posts and didn't nearly read everything yet, but weren't you saying that you wanted to lynch me?

Your reason for wanting to lynch me already didn't make any sense since it was roughly an association/info lynch when we're in
LyLo
, but you're spinning it around now that I hinted at being a PR?

Anyway, I need to count but isn't BM/me confirmed to have scum from any 3rd party PoV and we always lynch here? He voted me for some time, I think everyone aside from me/Alo posted and there was no hammer. Why I feel like people are so mechanically slow nowadays...? Like, no offense but?
And no, I was online for the maybe 20 minutes the vote was left on
. It was pretty obviously bait, and nobody went for it (sadly!). NAI for you, or anyone around at the time.
Ah, I feel a bit stupid now.

I still don't like how you treated my slot though
Don't be over-sensitive about it. If Taly is scum, you were like the only person who nailed it, and nailed it early. So big thumbs up to you!
Your flattery is very very charming but I'm going to be a tsundere and say that it'll get you nowhere.

But if you're town/that's genuine compliment, thanks.
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Post Post #2305 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:47 am

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I keep telling myself that if Taly is town, Churros must also be town. And if Churros is town, SS is now town.

Which would only leave Aloratom, Paragon and Eyestott as possible scum anyway. But I did say that Paragon and Eyestott were unlikely to be scum together.
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Post Post #2306 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:49 am

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Yep we're going to go with this for today. Finger's crossed!
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Post Post #2307 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:51 am

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I've a clear on SS.

My unique midly solid TR now is Paragon, which although shakier than before, I'm still happy about it.

If Neapolitan must be town for balance, it exactly means Taly + Battle Mage + Aloratom for a team, and BM pivot'ing on Taly now as a buddy in what should be super critical moment + final mislynch doesn't...makes me good about this exactly

I'm starting to think this game makes more sense if there's a traitor and scum doesn't know one of their partners.
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Post Post #2308 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:00 pm

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In post 2305, Battle Mage wrote:I keep telling myself that if Taly is town, Churros must also be town. And if Churros is town, SS is now town.

Which would only leave Aloratom, Paragon and Eyestott as possible scum anyway. But I did say that Paragon and Eyestott were unlikely to be scum together.
This rationale is on the basis that if Churros was scum, I think he would have thrown an obligatory scum-read on one of his buddies, and Taly is the only person he suspected who wasn't confirmed town. So if Taly is town, Churros can't be scum, and SS then can't be scum.

Sadly, the team of
Aloratom, Paragon and Eyestott
is perfectly possible, but it's just 1 combination we can't beat today, so hopefully the odds are with us! And to be honest, the odds of us ever beating them, given 2 of them are Taly's top 2 townreads, is nil anyway.

Confirm Vote: Taly


That's it from me today.
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Post Post #2309 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:17 pm

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I'll very likely be joining, but I'll hold off until after a good night of sleep. Also, I need to take a few showers.

I'm relieved you still townread me, Churros. I was kinda paranoid you'd be suspicious of my view on your slot currently.
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Post Post #2310 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:32 pm

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So, the moment people actually try and acknowledge my viewpoints this game - the thread concludes that regardless of my alignment, I'm always a problem to town's win here. Everything that's been posted about me today have been misrepresentations.

I hate how this playerlist has interacted with me. If I'm the game's final mislynch then put me out of my fucking misery.

People didn't listen to me D1 and people aren't listening to me now.

S_S, Eye, Alo;
I'm sorry. You guys deserved better from me and a better playerlist.
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Post Post #2311 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:35 pm

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Hold the phone. You think Churros is scum?
Shame on a martyr claiming friends
From either perspective of &
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Post Post #2312 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:35 pm

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In post 2310, Taly wrote:Everything that's been posted about me today have been misrepresentations.
Including what I said? You think you would be playing this way if you were scum?
Shame on a martyr claiming friends
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Post Post #2313 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:36 pm

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No, at least not groupscum.

Churros
has just never entertained the reality of me being anything other than scum.

He has not said a thing to anything I've posted today.

Nothing I can say to him matters.
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Post Post #2314 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:36 pm

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In post 2312, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 2310, Taly wrote:Everything that's been posted about me today have been misrepresentations.
Including what I said? You think you would be playing this way if you were scum?
No, you've been the only accurate person reading me this game.

Other than
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when she wasn't doubting her read.
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Post Post #2315 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:42 pm

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In post 2310, Taly wrote:So, the moment people actually try and acknowledge my viewpoints this game - the thread concludes that regardless of my alignment, I'm always a problem to town's win here. Everything that's been posted about me today have been misrepresentations.

I hate how this playerlist has interacted with me. If I'm the game's final mislynch then put me out of my fucking misery.

People didn't listen to me D1 and people aren't listening to me now.

S_S, Eye, Alo;
I'm sorry. You guys deserved better from me and a better playerlist.
Taly, we have listened to you, and that's the problem. Or if you're scum, it's the solution, because you've given the town no option but to lynch you to have any chance of winning. :lol:
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Post Post #2316 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:43 pm

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In post 2310, Taly wrote:So, the moment people actually try and acknowledge my viewpoints this game - the thread concludes that regardless of my alignment, I'm always a problem to town's win here. Everything that's been posted about me today have been misrepresentations.

I hate how this playerlist has interacted with me. If I'm the game's final mislynch then put me out of my fucking misery.

People didn't listen to me D1 and people aren't listening to me now.

S_S, Eye, Alo;
I'm sorry. You guys deserved better from me and a better playerlist.
This is actually really scummy. If you believe Something_Smart, eyestott, and Alorarom are all town with you like you're suggesting in the last line, you have absolutely nothing to fear about Churros/Battle Mage/I talking about voting you. You should be trying to convince the people you think are town to vote Battle Mage; not talking about how you're going to be the game's final mislynch because who you think is the scumteam all look like they're going to vote you.

Perspective slip!
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Post Post #2317 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:44 pm

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I've said what I needed to say. I'm not overwhelming the thread trying to hardlynch people.

And, reviewing the history of this game, what I say won't matter.
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Post Post #2318 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:45 pm

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In post 2316, Paragon wrote:You should be trying to convince the people you think are town to vote Battle Mage
Why vote
BM
and not you?
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Post Post #2319 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:46 pm

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In post 2315, Battle Mage wrote:Taly, we have listened to you, and that's the problem. Or if you're scum, it's the solution, because you've given the town no option but to lynch you to have any chance of winning.
This post - like your entire ISO - will age so horribly post-game, and that's almost satisfactory enough for me.
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Post Post #2320 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:46 pm

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Taly, let's suppose you're town. I need to believe that it's Paragon + BM + Alo right now.

It doesn't look impossible to be fair, but with how Paragon acted D1 it's not likely at all for me.

I was interacting with you in good-faith and I've not even voted you yet, but you're being pretty dramatic right now?

I've not directly called you scum either as of now I think. Maybe hinted at it but not outright called.

It feels a bit of an overreaction. If you're town you could take my good-faith approach today and talk to me.

Without walls though. Succint talk.

Who you think it's scum with my claim now? Because 50% of the PL needs to be from your PoV/anyone.

Even if you maintain Paragon/BM as scum reads, I would need a third name from you.
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Post Post #2321 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:47 pm

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Battle Mage because he's currently voting you, Taly.
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Post Post #2322 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:47 pm

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In post 2316, Paragon wrote:
In post 2310, Taly wrote:So, the moment people actually try and acknowledge my viewpoints this game - the thread concludes that regardless of my alignment, I'm always a problem to town's win here. Everything that's been posted about me today have been misrepresentations.

I hate how this playerlist has interacted with me. If I'm the game's final mislynch then put me out of my fucking misery.

People didn't listen to me D1 and people aren't listening to me now.

S_S, Eye, Alo;
I'm sorry. You guys deserved better from me and a better playerlist.
This is actually really scummy. If you believe Something_Smart, eyestott, and Alorarom are all town with you like you're suggesting in the last line, you have absolutely nothing to fear about Churros/Battle Mage/I talking about voting you. You should be trying to convince the people you think are town to vote Battle Mage; not talking about how you're going to be the game's final mislynch because who you think is the scumteam all look like they're going to vote you.
Perspective slip!
Maybe you're right here. But Taly would have more options beyond just voting for me. He/she could vote for you for instance, although it doesn't really change anything. Really, if Taly was town, the main advice would be to get a grip and realise it's likely that
at least
1 of the people he/she is buddying, are scum.

But the ship has sailed. If Taly is town, I'm going to be immensely frustrated, but it would have been a tough day even without this.
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Post Post #2323 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:48 pm

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In post 2319, Taly wrote:
In post 2315, Battle Mage wrote:Taly, we have listened to you, and that's the problem. Or if you're scum, it's the solution, because you've given the town no option but to lynch you to have any chance of winning.
This post - like your entire ISO - will age so horribly post-game, and that's almost satisfactory enough for me.
Again... you're assuming Battle Mage is town here for this to "age horribly".
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Post Post #2324 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:50 pm

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Don't tell me this is an overreaction.

It would have to be
Alo
as the third, but I have no reason to believe it's a 3p team, and
Alo
has been a consistent townread of mine so he's not the first person I'd want to lynch out of that group, so claiming he's scum too feels more defensive than gamesolve-oriented.

Alo
was
Para's
top townread going into this game and he shifted.

Eye/You
are investigative claims that I'm not going to refute, I believe you.

S_S
is cleared. Everything aligns with my reads.
Paragon wrote:
In post 2319, Taly wrote:
In post 2315, Battle Mage wrote:Taly, we have listened to you, and that's the problem. Or if you're scum, it's the solution, because you've given the town no option but to lynch you to have any chance of winning.
This post - like your entire ISO - will age so horribly post-game, and that's almost satisfactory enough for me.
Again... you're assuming Battle Mage is town here for this to "age horribly".
No, I'm assuming
BM
is scum when he says this because he can't possibly believe half of what he's talking about in the thread.

And I didn't realize you had this huge-ass manual on how to read his mind.
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