Jigsaw's Revenge - Game Over

[Almost50]

Are you factoring in that Pine was in two hoods?

Yes, I currently have the following on the 7 person hood:

Vaultdweller
Danyboy
Farside
GeorgeBailey
Drixx
Hectic

and 1 more from:

Davesaz and Gamma Emerald

I think Gamma is in that hood and dave isn't. dave suggested looking at his previous posts when I asked, and it appears he had some questions he should not have had if he was in a PT.

[Almost50]

Both dave and GM. There is 8 in there.

I spoke too fast.

[Battle Mage]

I think maybe we should be hunting Jigsaw today to reduce the damage from traps - what do you think?

The idea is fine, but you're missing his acolytes would carry on his work long after he's dead.

True, but I don't know if maybe Jigsaw has extra trapping powers? seems like cutting the head off the snake is the best plan.

[Gamma Emerald]

Rats! I think SirCakez is Scum. He knew all along momo was Scum and didn't say a word until he was hammered. He also gave him that fake claimm and in his Role PM no less. I mean SC already knows the characters he used for the game so he aparently gave momo one that didn't exist to avoid a CC.

But SIRIOUSLY, "You have many allies. [REDACTED]" certainly does hint there IS a bloody Traitor. Read THE WHOLE of that Role PM. It already have momo the Scum PT for starters, so what does "You have many allies" mean if [REDACTED] wasn't something like "You know you have a Traitor but are not informed of their identity"?

So, EJ was correct (but I still maintain it was scummy to mention it that way. SORRY EJ)

So, what are these games? Do Scum pick who plays in them or does the mod? What "decisions" were made that resulted in these deaths? Obviously only Farside and BM can answer this last one.

Ngl this looks forced bro

[Battle Mage]

Is it worth anything to wait for like Drixx/Blake to check in?

Yeah, both are in my POE and it's critical to get their thoughts and get them to report night actions/results.

BM approved. Although Drixx is surely town. Also keen to hear from Vecna again before we end the day, as he was hinting he wanted to share info earlier.

[Almost50]

I can't see A50 doing that as jigsaw. Jigsaw is a mastermind, someone clever, strategic. You were quick out of the blocks here - could YOU be Jigsaw?

wait why would Jigsaw's character in the flavor/movies be at all related to A50's play in this game? I don't remember anything about my character and I'm not exactly trying to role-play as them.

I think if A50 knows that a traitor exists he might spend day 1 trying to frame/set up a town slot as the traitor and use that as an easy narrative to push them, that's all. He's seemed more focus on traitor-spec in general compared to most players, no? Regardless it's why I'd look into him first of that group of 7, not a case of why he's definitively scum here.

I'm not gonna meta myself for you here. What I will say is I claimed my role towards the end of D1, so lynching me isn't the way for town to go. If Scum want to learn about another TPR they need to put me in a trap and get me killed, so excuse me if I decline the invitation to accept the rope route.

[Battle Mage]

Yea the traitor stuff went over my head. The momo flip PM didn't show me anything that suggests traitor. Why do you think Jiggy doesn't have a neighbourhood? Apologies if you already said it though

It first says he can talk to his scum partners in a PT [1st REDACTED]. The 2nd is apparently the choices for the traps? The 3rd is the FBI PT. 5th is his fake claim. Now, what exactly is the 4th REDACTED?? The one that says "You have many allies."?

It's the list of his scumbuddies obviously!

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw me and Dave are both in the EIGHT person hood

FYI I had initially townread Danny for his initial thought process feeling towny but I couldn’t vocalize that without outing both of us but now that no one cares about keeping it a secret I’ll come out and say that

As for why I voted him now his first post was about not being in a game but forgetting to post in the hood and I think that’s a scum post because scum have less motive to use the hood to solve and it reads very self conscious to me

So while I am sheeping there I also have my own reasoning

[Battle Mage]

I can't see A50 doing that as jigsaw. Jigsaw is a mastermind, someone clever, strategic. You were quick out of the blocks here - could YOU be Jigsaw?

wait why would Jigsaw's character in the flavor/movies be at all related to A50's play in this game? I don't remember anything about my character and I'm not exactly trying to role-play as them.

I think if A50 knows that a traitor exists he might spend day 1 trying to frame/set up a town slot as the traitor and use that as an easy narrative to push them, that's all. He's seemed more focus on traitor-spec in general compared to most players, no? Regardless it's why I'd look into him first of that group of 7, not a case of why he's definitively scum here.

I'm not gonna meta myself for you here. What I will say is I claimed my role towards the end of D1, so lynching me isn't the way for town to go. If Scum want to learn about another TPR they need to put me in a trap and get me killed, so excuse me if I decline the invitation to accept the rope route.

I concur with this. This not A50-scum behaviour. Although he might be just be playing a stellar game, 2 steps ahead.

[Gamma Emerald]

Forgot one thing!

This message came over the loudspeaker in the middle of the night:

Welcome to ChannelSawNews

Today's topstory,Logan"momo"Nelson has been hung by the Survivors.He is survived by his partnersincrime,REDACTED, REDACTED,REDACTED,andJigsaw

BBmolla,identityhidden,was lauded as hero

"Well I told everyone I'd hammer in 10 minutes but I did in 5.Cause justice waits for noone."

Does this mean BBM is confirmed a townie?

Also, the 3 REDACTED+Jigsaw = NO SURVIVOR! Aaargh. So what the hell does that line in momo's PM mean??

The “Jigsaw Survivor” thing means they lived through one of the movies I assume

AND I DON'T HIDE BEHIND ALTS

Alts are nor always to hide identities, my friend. Some are just to play differently.

Still could be considered “hiding behind it” if your normal play is easy to sort

[Battle Mage]

Btw me and Dave are both in the EIGHT person hood

FYI I had initially townread Danny for his initial thought process feeling towny but I couldn’t vocalize that without outing both of us but now that no one cares about keeping it a secret I’ll come out and say that

As for why I voted him now his first post was about not being in a game but forgetting to post in the hood and I think that’s a scum post because scum have less motive to use the hood to solve and it reads very self conscious to me

So while I am sheeping there I also have my own reasoning

This is insightful on it's own merit.

But separately I'm curious at the number of people referring to the traps as "games". It's an odd terminology thing, when they are referred to as "traps" in all the references I've seen.

[Almost50]

Rats! I think SirCakez is Scum. He knew all along momo was Scum and didn't say a word until he was hammered. He also gave him that fake claimm and in his Role PM no less. I mean SC already knows the characters he used for the game so he aparently gave momo one that didn't exist to avoid a CC.

But SIRIOUSLY, "You have many allies. [REDACTED]" certainly does hint there IS a bloody Traitor. Read THE WHOLE of that Role PM. It already have momo the Scum PT for starters, so what does "You have many allies" mean if [REDACTED] wasn't something like "You know you have a Traitor but are not informed of their identity"?

So, EJ was correct (but I still maintain it was scummy to mention it that way. SORRY EJ)

So, what are these games? Do Scum pick who plays in them or does the mod? What "decisions" were made that resulted in these deaths? Obviously only Farside and BM can answer this last one.

Ngl this looks forced bro

Yes. I was trying to frame SC nut nobody followed.

[Battle Mage]

I do think Danyboy is the tippy top contender for lynching tomorrow.

[Gamma Emerald]

I can't see A50 doing that as jigsaw. Jigsaw is a mastermind, someone clever, strategic. You were quick out of the blocks here - could YOU be Jigsaw?

wait why would Jigsaw's character in the flavor/movies be at all related to A50's play in this game? I don't remember anything about my character and I'm not exactly trying to role-play as them.

I think if A50 knows that a traitor exists he might spend day 1 trying to frame/set up a town slot as the traitor and use that as an easy narrative to push them, that's all. He's seemed more focus on traitor-spec in general compared to most players, no? Regardless it's why I'd look into him first of that group of 7, not a case of why he's definitively scum here.

I'm not gonna meta myself for you here. What I will say is I claimed my role towards the end of D1, so lynching me isn't the way for town to go. If Scum want to learn about another TPR they need to put me in a trap and get me killed, so excuse me if I decline the invitation to accept the rope route.

I concur with this. This not A50-scum behaviour. Although he might be just be playing a stellar game, 2 steps ahead.

What has A50 been doing that’s odd? I consider myself a bit of an authority on his meta.

Perfect, you're just in time.

What is his meta?

Huh.

Also I think everyone calls the traps games because Jigsaw says “I want to play a game” so it makes sense in the flavor context

[Battle Mage]

ah I have a meta on him since then, don't sweat it.

[Battle Mage]

anyone not voting Xtoxm right now needs to take a long hard look at themselves....

[Gamma Emerald]

Should I try to read the game or should I just be a sheep?

Reading is for humans.

(but seriously, why aren't you either solving or even having fun??)

Because the tone yesterday felt very serious and alienating. Today feels different, more casual.

[Almost50]

Yea the traitor stuff went over my head. The momo flip PM didn't show me anything that suggests traitor. Why do you think Jiggy doesn't have a neighbourhood? Apologies if you already said it though

It first says he can talk to his scum partners in a PT [1st REDACTED]. The 2nd is apparently the choices for the traps? The 3rd is the FBI PT. 5th is his fake claim. Now, what exactly is the 4th REDACTED?? The one that says "You have many allies."?

It's the list of his scumbuddies obviously!

Why not mention them when he mentioned the scum PT? The way it usually goes is "You are scum with X, Y & Z and you can talk to them here.."

But anyway, you want Xtoxm?

VOTE: Xtoxm

L-1

by my count.

I thought his D1 ending was indeed scummy, but I have a personal bias against lynching him for "reasons" that do not relate to this game. If I choose to set said reasons aside, I could see him flipping red.

[Morning Tweet]

Yea the traitor stuff went over my head. The momo flip PM didn't show me anything that suggests traitor. Why do you think Jiggy doesn't have a neighbourhood? Apologies if you already said it though

It first says he can talk to his scum partners in a PT [1st REDACTED]. The 2nd is apparently the choices for the traps? The 3rd is the FBI PT. 5th is his fake claim. Now, what exactly is the 4th REDACTED?? The one that says "You have many allies."?

It's the Survivor PT, not the FBI. You bring up an interesting point about the 4th part though

PART ONE - As one of Jigsaw's Acolytes, you may discuss with other Acolytes here at all times: [REDACTED]

PART FOUR - You have many allies. [REDACTED]

perhaps someone more experienced than me would know what is typically put after something like "You have many allies", besides a mafia PT

[Blake Belladonna]

Do not end the day, please.

I'm catching up.

[GuiltyLion]

@Almost - how are you getting L-1 (8 votes)? I count 6 lol

also that 1657 is the first post that gave me town vibes from Gamma

[Gamma Emerald]

glad i defended elsa at least
sadly i think she was vigged :c

Almost TMI, my man. Like, ALMOST.

Almost - what is the value of your traitor speculation?

So far, not much. But down the road it benefits us to hunt for one-way associatives (The Traitor knowing the scum team and them not knowing him/her). Also a variant of Traitor loses already if the main scum team is wiped out, so there's that.

Can’t exactly call that a variant when it’s what Normals do

[Battle Mage]

Yea the traitor stuff went over my head. The momo flip PM didn't show me anything that suggests traitor. Why do you think Jiggy doesn't have a neighbourhood? Apologies if you already said it though

It first says he can talk to his scum partners in a PT [1st REDACTED]. The 2nd is apparently the choices for the traps? The 3rd is the FBI PT. 5th is his fake claim. Now, what exactly is the 4th REDACTED?? The one that says "You have many allies."?

It's the list of his scumbuddies obviously!

Why not mention them when he mentioned the scum PT? The way it usually goes is "You are scum with X, Y & Z and you can talk to them here.."

But anyway, you want Xtoxm?

VOTE: Xtoxm

L-1

by my count.

I thought his D1 ending was indeed scummy, but I have a personal bias against lynching him for "reasons" that do not relate to this game. If I choose to set said reasons aside, I could see him flipping red.

Don't know, but that's just how it reads to me!

And yeah nice work. I make it L-2, so just enough time left for Vecna to get in and share anything he wants.

No need to wait for a claim from Xtoxm, we already have it.

[Almost50]

Still could be considered “hiding behind it” if your normal play is easy to sort

That's a BIG IF. I mean, I would consider reading me under AP easier than either A50 or JJD.

[Battle Mage]

Yea the traitor stuff went over my head. The momo flip PM didn't show me anything that suggests traitor. Why do you think Jiggy doesn't have a neighbourhood? Apologies if you already said it though

It first says he can talk to his scum partners in a PT [1st REDACTED]. The 2nd is apparently the choices for the traps? The 3rd is the FBI PT. 5th is his fake claim. Now, what exactly is the 4th REDACTED?? The one that says "You have many allies."?

It's the Survivor PT, not the FBI. You bring up an interesting point about the 4th part though

PART ONE - As one of Jigsaw's Acolytes, you may discuss with other Acolytes here at all times: [REDACTED]

PART FOUR - You have many allies. [REDACTED]

perhaps someone more experienced than me would know what is typically put after something like "You have many allies", besides a mafia PT

I've answered this already somewhere.