Simple - I was wrong yesterday, as I already acknowledged, and re-read the interaction at night partly because of what Blake had said yesterday as I'd begun to doubt my own interpretation.In post 2234, GuiltyLion wrote:so a few fundamental flaws with the initial case and why I'm not convinced by it, chunked into a few posts for readability:
This doesn't match with what you said yesterday:In post 1813, Battle Mage wrote:1. PT Behaviour on Day 1 and post-lynch:
I noted at outset of Day 2 his behaviour in PT is exactly what I would expect from him as scum (and only Momo's behaviour made me think he was clean).
He was initially not keen to throw suspicion on others in the hood, and just wanted everyone to follow him. He just 'assumed' Momo and I were town, and only suggested Pine was scum when Pine wouldn't toe the line. ABR was non-committal on my Momo scum-read, and didn't engage with it until after the flip. After the flip, he was excited and jubilant, and claimed credit for the lynch.Also note the last bit here ^ shading Blake on not pushing Dany hard enough? Good to remember if/when Dany flips red.In post 1701, Battle Mage wrote:I mean, ABR is in a hood with me (and formerly Momo-scum), I can tell you with absolute confidence that the way Momo acted towards ABR in that PT, is NOT the way scum acts towards a partner. Is it conceivably possible ABR is scum? Yes. Is it remotely likely? No. Should we be discussing it today? Obviously not.
You don't mention Dany at all, despite the fact that he has been a big focal point today. Instead, I assume he is your unnamed 2nd favourite lynch for today?
You also doubled down on this when pressed by Blake:[question above referring to why BM is sure momo/ABR are not buddies]In post 1714, Battle Mage wrote:There's no question here. Let me ask you something instead - how do you think I could have confidence in anything you say when you don't read my posts properly and with due respect? when you have not engaged with the trends and key issues in the game? and when you are trying to waste time and obfuscate affairs by throwing shade at people who we are clearly not lynching today?
This conversation is a waste of time. I know you are smarter than this, and so I have to believe there's a chance you are scum protecting Xtoxm, but I'll lynch him first to find out.
Boy, sure is a shame you didn't elaborate on why ABR/momo could not possibly be partners yesterday!
We've had a long discussion about this, and you'll have noted that this is not the final conclusion. The key point is that it is far more likely in flavour/mech terms that there are 2 scum in the survivor hood. You've straw-manned me here.In post 2234, GuiltyLion wrote:So the argument here (built off the setup spec), is basically that ABR's claim cannot be true because she was not a prominent feature of the film franchise, and that she doesn't belong in the survivor group here. It's already been covered by MT in 1986, I'm not convinced by this and I generally don't support flavor cases to begin with, the mod gives fakeclaims so by definition scum cannot/should not be caught by virtue of flavor claim alone.In post 1813, Battle Mage wrote:2. Flavour:
As noted in my setup theory, I think Amanda Young is highly likely in the game, as a survivor. ABR has instead claimed, in the PT, that he is Corbett Denlon - the child of 2 confirmed townies. She was not a prominent feature of the film franchise, so I'm not sure she would be a character in the game, especially given both her parents were. She was also never subject to Jigsaw's traps, so I wouldn't really call her a 'survivor' at all, and she'd be way way down on the list of likely survivor characters compared to Amanda Young. Gut says it MUST be a fakeclaim.
Any case should be honest and reflect what you know. As I'm probably as close to confirmed town as it gets, don't you think it's useful if I give a detailed account of what happened in the PT as I'm the only one left? You can't judge if it's "misreppy" without being there, so that's an odd argument to make.In post 2234, GuiltyLion wrote:Unfortunately none of us can verify this, so, not sure why you are using it in your case. It also feels misreppy throughout - "frantically" active, the shade about 'mailman' semantics (effectively, yes, XtoxmIn post 1813, Battle Mage wrote:3. PT Behaviour Night 1 onwards:
During Night 1, ABR suddenly became frantically active in the PT, having neglected it for a while before that (me and Pine were both stuck in traps at this point of course). He claimed his role and flavour, and also claimed that Xtoxm was a "mailman" (incidentally, not what he flipped), and then gave the story I repeated yesterday in order to make me suspect Xtoxm, which on reflection may not have been true. He was not keen on my suggestion of lynching those not in a PT, which suggests if ABR flips scum, there is some more credence to it. I made it clear that I didn't trust him (by not reciprocating his claim, or sharing info about what happened to me in my trap), and since then he has become very angry and aggressive in the PT.wasa mailman), 'very' angry/aggressive.
He's not mine.
