Open 778: Nightless Vanilla [Game Over!]

[Deimos27]

If a player is Incredibly Serious From Page 1 in their first phases of being a mafia, they might swing too much in the other direction of Never Serious Until Day 2 in phase two.

oh hey my life story

Will you make any read whatsoever if I ask really nicely?
Or shall we policy lynch you instead? ^^

shallow townleans on hem and isis

having played a fair bit with deimos offsite i'd go and say this lines up with his town meta

firebringer is
firebringer

im not fond of norwee but im not sure if i have any merit behind it that i can articulate or if im just biased against people who are against me

kinda waiting for looker to just do more

crayons is the only person i'd call firmly town atm

(1) If this is me as town, how would I be playing as scum?
(2) Your crayons read is your strongest, so surely you are capable of stating some reasons for it?

Cycle Men is an alt. I know his main, but will not be divulging it unless he does first. I will say that doing nothing early-game is exactly his meta, though it's a playstyle I can't say I'm remotely fond of.

[Cycle Men]

If a player is Incredibly Serious From Page 1 in their first phases of being a mafia, they might swing too much in the other direction of Never Serious Until Day 2 in phase two.

oh hey my life story

Will you make any read whatsoever if I ask really nicely?
Or shall we policy lynch you instead? ^^

shallow townleans on hem and isis

having played a fair bit with deimos offsite i'd go and say this lines up with his town meta

firebringer is
firebringer

im not fond of norwee but im not sure if i have any merit behind it that i can articulate or if im just biased against people who are against me

kinda waiting for looker to just do more

crayons is the only person i'd call firmly town atm

(1) If this is me as town, how would I be playing as scum?
(2) Your crayons read is your strongest, so surely you are capable of stating some reasons for it?

Cycle Men is an alt. I know his main, but will not be divulging it unless he does first. I will say that doing nothing early-game is exactly his meta, though it's a playstyle I can't say I'm remotely fond of.

as town, you do this right here where you pop in once you're ready and bish bash bosh through everything while assuming a confident lead position, whereas on scum, you've been a bit clumsier or more reluctant
of course im going off old old games and your scum game has probably improved overtime, but i feel confident enough going off of that rn

crayon guy has this aura over the game that i could never really see coming from scum, where he can confidently observe and comment on the game as it happens and solemnly push people in a way that wouldnt be necessary while playing as scum to maintain innocence

[Deimos27]

can you blame me for being frustrated when i make my first post and half an hour later someone is getting self-righteous about my activity

A very uncharitable way to phrase a scumlean not all that different from all the previous opposition.

it makes me frustrated the same way people who think policy lynching is an actual viable pro-town concept do

I wasn't actually going to advocate for a policy lynch you. Probably. I did want you to think I

might

.

I am caught up but I skimmed that part because it was boring


Let me do a quick reread but I have people already sorted

Here's mine

Town:
Alisae
Isis
Elements

No reads yet:
Green Crayons
Firebringer
Looker
Deimos27

Scum:
Cycle Men
votato
NorwegianboyEE

NorwegianboyEE scum
Firebringer scum
votato scum

Isis town
human town
elements town
Alisae town

everyone else null

We both made 3 scum sorting. human did before me. I did because I assumed 3 scum.

Yesterday when i actually read the first couple of mod posts, i see there are 4 scum. I'm sure I saw that when i looked up what the setup was before i signed up, but i had forgotten. human picking 3 scum instead of 4 aligns with my (town) assumption about a 3-mafia setup.

And how would you evaluate the odds of HEM just happening to have 3 scumleans at that point in the game?
This post is super interesting because it's either a scum gambit or confirms Green Crayons as town.

[Green Crayons]

And how would you evaluate the odds of HEM just happening to have 3 scumleans at that point in the game?

In which case, human is still town.

So either (1) human is town who, like me, is bad at remembering things, (2) human is town who simply had 3 scumleans, or (3) human is scum who created 3 scumleans, and chose 3 instead of 2 or 4 because ???.

probability of (1) + (2) is much > than (3). Plus there's the gut feeling of him doing something I did within minutes of each other, but he did it first.

[Green Crayons]

Compare human's 3 scumleans with this:

Norwegian, who is scum?

Ehh. I’d prefer to base my reads around flips and wagon analyzis in a nightless. But i guess my weaker personal reads for go to scum would be fluffposter

Firebringer

and Lurkey

Cycleman

.

Looker

be looking kinda bad too. But he has an abhorrent towngame in my experience so anything goes.
A bit dissapointed

Alisae

hasn’t been on my ass more ever since that initial push. The fact that they pushed a scumread before becoming relatively toned down points to bad mojo if you ask me man.

Some pretty weaksauce reasonings, but he manages to push up four suspects.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If one of them flips scum i'd probably change the rest of my suspects based on the knowledge that X was scum. People that try to catch the entire scumteam in early D1 are usually not correct in the slightest.

[Green Crayons]

That's a non sequitur if I've ever seen one.

But if this is correct:

People that try to catch the entire scumteam in early D1 are usually not correct in the slightest.

Why'd you come up with 4 suspects?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Because some slots seem more like "town not giving a fuck" vs "scum intentionally not doing anything".

You've very diplomatically avoided stating which slots you consider to be the former, and which the latter.

Yep.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why'd you come up with 4 suspects?

Because those were the people on my mind at the time. And yes, i am well aware there are 4 scum in this game. Because i tend to read game setups before i join in.

[Deimos27]

as town, you do this right here where you pop in once you're ready and bish bash bosh through everything while assuming a confident lead position, whereas on scum, you've been a bit clumsier or more reluctant
of course im going off old old games and your scum game has probably improved overtime, but i feel confident enough going off of that rn

crayon guy has this aura over the game that i could never really see coming from scum, where he can confidently observe and comment on the game as it happens and solemnly push people in a way that wouldnt be necessary while playing as scum to maintain innocence

Tell me, how old exactly are the games you are referring to? Estimate for me when the last time you saw me play scum was. Then estimate how much you think I might have improved since then. You seem awfully confident about my alignment, considering what I suspect the answer will turn out to be.

Can you point me to particular examples of where you see this tone from Crayons?

[Albert B. Rampage]

My scumreads are Deimos and isis.

[Albert B. Rampage]

The reason is I like their posts less than everyone else's.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I find it more weird that someone wouldn't know there are 4 scum in this game. Like they are pretending to be idiots to get townread.

[Green Crayons]

Why'd you come up with 4 suspects?

Because those were the people on my mind at the time. And yes, i am well aware there are 4 scum in this game. Because i tend to read game setups before i join in.

[Firebringer]

Norwegian, who is scum?

Ehh. I’d prefer to base my reads around flips and wagon analyzis in a nightless. But i guess my weaker personal reads for go to scum would be fluffposter Firebringer and Lurkey Cycleman. Looker be looking kinda bad too. But he has an abhorrent towngame in my experience so anything goes.
A bit dissapointed Alisae hasn’t been on my ass more ever since that initial push. The fact that they pushed a scumread before becoming relatively toned down points to bad mojo if you ask me man.

I am the best fluff poster around. It is truly an art.

[Green Crayons]

I find it more weird that someone wouldn't know there are 4 scum in this game. Like they are pretending to be idiots to get townread.

Angry about being scum.

[Firebringer]

I think u got 48 hours left of my vote isis

What does this mean, by the way? I interpret it in two different ways, but neither makes sense.

Pretty sure he’s referring to the agreement he would vote whoever they did for a limited time.

do I give town points for reading comprehension? idk. Sure I guess.

[Firebringer]

why are people voting green crayons

he broke my hat

And I don't regret it.

this is why I can't have nice things

[Albert B. Rampage]

FB did you pull scum this game?

[Firebringer]

I find it more weird that someone wouldn't know there are 4 scum in this game. Like they are pretending to be idiots to get townread.

its pretty easy to do, and when expectations of a particular player is low, it can be easily exploited.

ive done so numerous times pretending I didn't read something for town points.

[Firebringer]

FB did you pull scum this game?

if I did I think I would be more interested in this game tbh

[Deimos27]

And how would you evaluate the odds of HEM just happening to have 3 scumleans at that point in the game?

In which case, human is still town.

So either (1) human is town who, like me, is bad at remembering things, (2) human is town who simply had 3 scumleans, or (3) human is scum who created 3 scumleans, and chose 3 instead of 2 or 4 because ???.

probability of (1) + (2) is much > than (3). Plus there's the gut feeling of him doing something I did within minutes of each other, but he did it first.

Last town game I had only one scumlean in D1, because everyone else was at worst null. I wouldn't change my play as scum to start including exactly as many scumleans as there are scum in the setup — I would still have only as many scumleans as the gamestate is conducive to.

Next time HEM comes online he can confirm what the case is for him. I'll suspend judgment till then.

[Firebringer]

if u are at all dissatisfied with the content I am posting ABR I am giving u a limited time offer of 3 people I will ISO and give detailed examinations into thoughts on how their mind operates, alignment, and their favorite color.

Order now.

[Green Crayons]

Hm who might he choose?

My scumreads are Deimos and isis.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I find it more weird that someone wouldn't know there are 4 scum in this game. Like they are pretending to be idiots to get townread.

Angry about being scum.

Ok? Is this claim of yours in any way relevant to what i said?