Mini Normal 2135 (Endgame)

[Persivul]

Knightmare argues with mechanics, so I answered with mechanics.

This isn't the only instance of it and you know it.

[UnaBombaH]

@Persivul: nfw scum!George votes scum!Popopopo in 857 and furthermore absolutely no chance scum!George votes scum!popopopo in 1058 and vote his scum buddy rather than just leaving it on you for the easy mislynch.

My flip conftowns you 100%.

When you're still alive in final lylo...ask yourself

why

.

Why did you go for this path at all?
What is the reasoning?
Why would scum EVER leave a conf.town alive when all the other kills are likely just Vanillas, and we have one 100% absent slot that's almost impossible to read in LyLo?

[Persivul]

For all of Una's analysis showing that I wouldn't play as I have as scum, he still manages to find reasons to vote me.

If you are town here, I'd argue your play around your role was close to being optimal

..?
I don't think claiming that 1-shot modifier would've been the right call D2 either, and the WIFOM about your result was always going to be there.

If you are scum, I commend you on your gambit anyway, and only

think it was silly for you to commit the kill last night

considering what you had claimed.

Yet you vote me.

[UnaBombaH]

I also think that if we mislynch on popopo today, I know everyone will rally up on you, but it will be very difficult to find the next two lynches in a LyLo because of what mavs has claimed.

[UnaBombaH]

UNVOTE:

[PranaDevil]

Out of interest in not having a no lynch... I will lynch popo before deadline if I absolutely have to, to go into tomorrow with actual information.

I would much, much, much rather lynch Persivul. But one of them must be lynched today to gain further information.

I will set an alarm for 1 hour before deadline, and check the game state then.

I will be super pissed off if anyone here screws up a lynch today.

[Persivul]

Why did you go for this path at all?
What is the reasoning?
Why would scum EVER leave a conf.town alive when all the other kills are likely just Vanillas, and we have one 100% absent slot that's almost impossible to read in LyLo?

Because for now he's 100% convinced that George and popo can't be scum together. If George and popo are scum together, they could leave him alive for the win. My pointing this out increases the chance that someone I know for a fact to be town with bad reads gets killed tonight, or if not migghtr get mavs to reevaluate.

[Persivul]

Out of interest in not having a no lynch... I will lynch popo before deadline if I absolutely have to, to go into tomorrow with actual information.

Come on Una, you have to test this.

[UnaBombaH]

^^I just want to make sure no one stops the day while I'm in the middle of this.
Whenever you manage to make me doubt, I always go back to check how popopo arrived to this day.
They vote you in their first post of the day, and they only made 2-3 posts in total before it was a full-on 1v1.
Their posts are consistent with their claim.
They out their guilty only when they are at L-1, but they still do it in a way that makes some sense.
My only DOUBTS about their claim are these short snippets:

persivul lied yesterday and

i believe

he is still not being truthful with us.

"believe"?
Maybe it's just me, but I'd rather use a stronger word when there's a reasonable chance I'm going to have to out my guilty at some point.

i agree with prana that persi is

extremely sus

.

Weird choice of words IMO, considering they could've just as well said "persi is scum" without outing their role or result yet.

[UnaBombaH]

... Please tell me I'm not the only one who sees how bad this above post is.

You were scumreading Prana. You were Townreading Persivul. Where is the progression on either of those? What has made you suspect Persivul, other than him withholding he's 1shot?

I also find it harder and harder to look past this post from Tanner.
This post screams "popopo has no reason to scumread Persivul here, unless something happened overnight".
Yet tanner didn't think this fits with popopopo being a Tracker with a guilty?

[Persivul]

And it’s easier to fake game theory than day long bread crumbing.

Wait what? Day long crumbing? Did I check the wrong ISO, or were there only like 3/4 posts before they were claiming?
Not THAT hard to do.

[UnaBombaH]

Your point being?
I still think it's a silly reason to townlock popopoppo for "day long bread crumbing".
Doesn't mean their posting or play was wildly inconsistent with their claim?

[Persivul]

I also find it harder and harder to look past this post from Tanner.
This post screams "popopo has no reason to scumread Persivul here, unless something happened overnight".
Yet tanner didn't think this fits with popopopo being a Tracker with a guilty?

Yep.

The reasoning he gave for tracking me was that Panda's flip ficked with his reads, so he checked me in order to confirm me, and therefore mavs as well.

But a tracker CAN'T confirm someone who has claimed to be out of shots. It can only provide a guilty, but never a clear. His claimed reasoning is bullshit.

[Persivul]

redpandas flipped fucked my reads

i figured id check persi to confirm him, myself and mavs and form a town bloc

imagine my surprise

Here it is. It's a blatant lie. A tracker couldn't CONFIRM me. It could only get a guilty.

[UnaBombaH]

You can bash me all you want for not picking a side earlier or being more adamant with my reads.
But to be fair, I think the biggest reason why it's so fucking hard to assess the situation correctly right now is because so many players are acting stupid.
Either they are scum flailing around or rushing forward, or thei are townies that are too afraid to "look scummy" and take a step back and re-evaluate.
I have my own read of tanner, but the way they have locked on the idea of scum!popopo is not normal for an uninformed townie.
mavs did a completely unreasonable lock on to you instead.
Prana has been misrepping me the whole game.
George is doing the exact opposite of me, and keeps voting/unvoting instead of just taking a breather, and voting when they feel good about a decision.

Too big of a scumteam based on the play alone.

[UnaBombaH]

redpandas flipped fucked my reads

i figured id check persi to confirm him, myself and mavs and form a town bloc

imagine my surprise

Here it is. It's a blatant lie. A tracker couldn't CONFIRM me. It could only get a guilty.

Oh.
And when did you claim to be a 1-shot exactly?

[UnaBombaH]

Right, you can't make it a clear-cut case either, no matter how hard you try.

[Persivul]

And when did you claim to be a 1-shot exactly?

Was it after? If so my bad, I'm playing poker rn while I post.

[Persivul]

Right, you can't make it a clear-cut case either, no matter how hard you try.

In what world do I make the kill there?

[UnaBombaH]

2. Panda's lynch fucked with his reads. He claims he decided to track me in order to get a clear on me, despite the fact that he COULDN'T get a clear on me. He could only get a guilty.

Except you already made this same mistake yesterday, and I was there to spot it.

[UnaBombaH]

Right, you can't make it a clear-cut case either, no matter how hard you try.

In what world do I make the kill there?

Oh, it goes deeper than that.
In what world does the Tracker track a claimed Rolecop WHO HAPPENS to later claim 1-shot and HAPPENS TO COMMIT THE KILL for the scumteam the same night?

[UnaBombaH]

Leaving Tanner+George+Prana+Knightmare+"Haven't been around at all"-slot to deal with a 5-player LyLo is gonna be awful.

[UnaBombaH]

Guess that's not an actual reality that will ever happen considering the tie-ins that some of the slots have, but I literally just got a headache thinking about this too much.

[Persivul]

Leaving Tanner+George+Prana+Knightmare+"Haven't been around at all"-slot to deal with a 5-player LyLo is gonna be awful.

Why?

By today's flip, either tanner or prana is going to be shown to have read me/popo correctly, and will presumably be town leader.

That's why I think that even with my flip, Tanner could get NK'd over mavs.

[Persivul]

Also note that, without the 1X claim, popo still couldn't confirm me. Scum rolecop is a thing.