Mini 2133: XP Mafia II (Game Over)

[Ame]

@Ame: consider the following.

The sabotage may be targeted at the quest leader. It will not prevent any of those things.

@mod: could you confirm whether quest actions and night actions are resolved separately? aka Potential action of scum/town PR does not affect quest item actions?

@NK based on this, I think she wanted to use gifting the quest item as a guaranteed way of successfully voyeuring and gaining XP.

[Not Known 15]

I need 2 xp btw, kthanks.

This was on D2, so why tf are NK and ABR sr that?

Because it means that you need 4 xp. But with needing 4 xp the "I made a mistake I don`t need just 1 xp" is even less credible....

Voeyer + Leader = 2. Maybe she forgot she couldn't train as well and that's what she was banking on to get 3 and then realized she couldn't.

XP from voyeur is not guranteed.
No that wasn`t it.

About Hectic - I am checking their ISO now.

[Ame]

Hectic, in the dream you had to fight me but you didn't want to. I only had a str 30 sword which barely made a dent in your armor. You could heal faster than I could give damage. You wielded an axe, however, that was specifically designed to take down that sort of armor and it was str 60. And that's when I realized..you wanted me to defeat you. You wanted me to take your axe and use it to strike you down. But you couldn't stop fighting. I had to do it...

I parried an attack and the axe was dropped. A knowing smile on your face. Freedom it said. And then I sliced your head off.

[Ame]

NK based on this, I think she wanted to use gifting the quest item as a guaranteed way of successfully voyeuring and gaining XP.

It was guaranteed from this. If she was in control of gifting, a bonus action, then she could voyer the person she gifted and gain XP.

[Raven Branwen]

Raven, have we played together? Also why are you so defensive of your slot being scum read!?

I’m usually defensive, especially when it’s happening for objectively bs reasoning like the XP thing. NK15 is if town, clearly not reading the game. FotC was opposed to spring capture and tr spring. He is not only ignoring that but everything pointing to him being wrong. In my experience deathtunnelling a slot for reasons that don’t
make logical sense are greater than rand, likely to come from scum.

You have interacted with me before but I believe not as a player in any game with you.

[Not Known 15]

@Ame: consider the following.

The sabotage may be targeted at the quest leader. It will not prevent any of those things.

@mod: could you confirm whether quest actions and night actions are resolved separately? aka Potential action of scum/town PR does not affect quest item actions?

@NK based on this, I think she wanted to use gifting the quest item as a guaranteed way of successfully voyeuring and gaining XP.

Ah, well. That`s a possibility, albeit a flawed one.
It, however, still doesn`t explain where that comes from, except from SVS:

I have an upgrade in 1 XP that's why I want leadership btw.

I don't believe this

-Farkran

[Ame]

Farkset did same thing to me. Let me find it.

[Raven Branwen]

I need 2 xp btw, kthanks.

This was on D2, so why tf are NK and ABR sr that?

Because it means that you need 4 xp. But with needing 4 xp the "I made a mistake I don`t need just 1 xp" is even less credible....

I get XP per each different result from my NA. Spring probably assumed she would get 1 XP from NA or I’m assuming Quest, right?

If my slot were scum, spring would have only had 1 XP on D2 not 2. Why? because I’m assuming she started out with 1. FotC flip, gave everyone 1. She was captured, so no additional XP, which =2. I received 1 XP due to receiving a miscellaneous result from my NA=3, which means 1 more needed to upgrade, so hopefully I either get results tonight or someone - maybe Raya? gifts me.

[Ame]

So I've been thinking about this and I think it's best I claim. When I die, I become a treestump and the lynch mechanic activates. I've been trying to play in a way so as to draw the night kill, but with two claims now and seeing as FOC's, in particular, suggests a strong PR, I think that's probably not happening. So I'm claiming now to suggest that perhaps vig can aim for me tonight? I think there may be another way to activate the mechanic also because it says it will activate when I die

unless

it's already activated.

This looks… dangerous, and misconceived. You said you have been trying to draw the nk, but now you're making a claim that basically validates your survival forever, unless there is specifically a vig in the setup? I mean… it's not even scum motivated, unless scum knows for sure that there is NOT a vig in the setup - you seem to be taking an unnecessary high risk from the town by claiming this, which scum would probably just shut up about, but as town it's a pretty terrible claim, once again unless you know that there IS a vig in the setup. Hmmm.

-Farkran

His reaction to my claim here was similar to the way he reacted to springs

[Raven Branwen]

TOWN

Hectic - i liked the attempt to mechprogress, also i think i can be accurate on reading hectic very fast after having played with him so much recently

Pine - genuine introduction
---TOWN CONFIDENCE LINE---
Raya36
Not Known 15
Lady Chloe
Ame
---TRUE NULL LINE---
mastina
momo
Pink Ball
Ginngie
---SCUM CONFIDENCE LINE---
Flight of the Conchords - I don't like TSTBS posts from either alignment, and being a secret hydra i'd assume it comes from experienced players, not newbies. This is the main reason i'm scumleaning them instead of giving them the benefit of doubt.
springlullaby - To further my thoughts on springlullaby, i think he's pulling a strategy similar to scum!FlavorLeaf, where he intentionally blurts out nonsense to make his post skimmed past instead of read thoroughly while at the same time candidating himself to positions of power.
SCUM

Read key:
- no strong reads yet, the players without comments are even weaker than those with comments
- players in-between the confidence lines are sorted by the little content they have. They are placed above the null line if i think there are some posts worthy of being town, below the line if they have a bad content/posts ratio so far.

-Farkran

[Alisae]

NK, Raven. Ali. Will you join me on Hectic?

how likely would Hectic be sabotaged here if he was actually town?

[Not Known 15]

So I've been thinking about this and I think it's best I claim. When I die, I become a treestump and the lynch mechanic activates. I've been trying to play in a way so as to draw the night kill, but with two claims now and seeing as FOC's, in particular, suggests a strong PR, I think that's probably not happening. So I'm claiming now to suggest that perhaps vig can aim for me tonight? I think there may be another way to activate the mechanic also because it says it will activate when I die

unless

it's already activated.

This looks… dangerous, and misconceived. You said you have been trying to draw the nk, but now you're making a claim that basically validates your survival forever, unless there is specifically a vig in the setup? I mean… it's not even scum motivated, unless scum knows for sure that there is NOT a vig in the setup - you seem to be taking an unnecessary high risk from the town by claiming this, which scum would probably just shut up about, but as town it's a pretty terrible claim, once again unless you know that there IS a vig in the setup. Hmmm.

-Farkran

His reaction to my claim here was similar to the way he reacted to springs

No, not at all. The "I don`t believe this" lacks any reason for not believing that. Where does this come from if it is SVT? If spring is town, farkset as scum accuses town of lying. Without providing any reasons. Out of nowhere.
In the reaction to your claim they are explaining what they claim to don`t like in detail.

[Alisae]

Like, does Hectic being sabotaged make sense to you within the context of the game?

[Raven Branwen]

HURT: springlullaby

I actually have a really strange reason for townreading springlullaby though lol. I didn't want to explain it earlier because it's kinda really stupid but here:

QUEST PLEDGE LIST DAY 1

Confirmed:

springlullaby
Pink Ball
Hectic

Waiting (lame or scum):

mastina
Raya36
Pine
Ginngie
Lady Chloe
momo
Flight of the Conchords
Not Known 15
Farkset
Ame

Leader:

springlullaby

In this pledge list, springlullaby put me after Pink Ball for people who have pledged, though I had confirmed to pledge before Pink Ball had. This isn't a big deal and doesn't really mean anything right now.

QUEST PLEDGE LIST DAY 1

Confirmed:

springlullaby
Hectic
Pink Ball
Pine
Raya36

Waiting (lame or scum):

mastina
Ginngie
Lady Chloe
momo
Flight of the Conchords
Not Known 15
Farkset
Ame

Leader:

springlullaby

But then in the next list, she's swapped me and Pink Ball around. Considering the fact she very likely copied the previous list and edited it to make this one, it means swapping us around was a consious choice, and might suggest she put me below Pink Ball in the first as petty/spite thing, which would indicate her actually disliking me/my posts rather than it being an act.
Then she swapped us around after reevaluating or wanting the list to actually be in order.

Actually @Hectic, why didn’t you HEAL spring here? You HURT her, tr her , yet don’t HEAL her. Why?

[Ame]

Another thing. Hectic couldn't kill last night because he used his 1 XP to kill N1 and he had no buddies to do it last night.

[Ame]

He wasn't sabatoged. He just claimed to inorder to explain why he lost an XP during the night and to get himself cleared.

[Not Known 15]

Another thing. Hectic couldn't kill last night because he used his 1 XP to kill N1 and he had no buddies to do it last night.

Leader died.

[Ame]

Leader died.

Huh?

[Not Known 15]

Leader died.

Huh?

Lord, not Leader. Sorry.

[Alisae]

He wasn't sabatoged. He just claimed to inorder to explain why he lost an XP during the night and to get himself cleared.

What were his reads throughout day 1?

[Raven Branwen]

Spoiler:

Pretty sure the scum who did the nightkill would claim that they train cop checked and that would be the end of it

Yeah, but they have to claim their result on the person too, and they won't know whether they were Training/Not Training.

Small problem with that. It gives me a massive townread on Hectic for having townslipped, but does anyone else realize the key problem with Hectic's plan which makes this a townslip?

Can I be the leader of the quest??

I'd trust PB as a leader over spring for what it's worth--not because I think spring is suspicious (spring's probably town), but because I trust PB to make better use out of being the leader than spring.

Only if you share it with me, Pink Ball. We should ration leadership out.

That said, would trust Hectic with leader even more than PB. PB, love ya to death, but you're not as obvtown as Hectic is and I got the sense that Hectic is more mechanically-minded than you so like. Hectic > PB > spring imo for leadership.

All joke aside, Hectic was wrong about the mechanics all along you know?

So was I, and I am an incredibly mechanics-oriented player. I made an oversight, so did Hectic, but the mindset of being a mechanics-oriented player remains, which is what I was referring to.

VOTE: Disable Strongman
Back to here I guess.

@mastina, please point out why Hectic demonstrate amazing mechanics qualities.

It's self-evident in his posts. He might've made a mistake, but he still reasoned through a process, formed a strategy, planned things out, reasoned the mechanics out, etc., in a way demonstrating an aptitude towards mechanical solving and natural gift for game mechanics.

Yes, he made an imperfect plan that had a mistake, but as I said--so did I in MY understanding of the mechanics, and if I, a player who I know is mechanically gifted, made a mistake on the mechanics, then I know that Hectic making a mistake on the mechanics does not disqualify him from being a mechanically-gifted player.

What is a mechanic oriented player?

Players like me, Drixx, Cerberus666, and the like. Of which there are dozens. Many still prominent players, though I can't recall their names off the top of my head, would be able to name them if they were in the game with me. You could make the argument that a player like Titus can show mechanical aptitude, and there's players like Mathdino who I seem to recall was mechanically gifted, and there's at least one more currently active prominent scummer who I know is good with mechanics.

Players who have the demonstrated ability to look at the mechanics in question, think them out, ration them out, create ideas, create plans, to utilize mechanics to their maximum, to give advantages beyond what they should have.

Being a mechanical player doesn't mean you need to nail mechanics perfectly; you could always make mistakes on game mechanics as a mechanical player. I've made mechanical mistakes in spite of identifying as a mechanical player, Cerb has made mechanical mistakes, Titus has made mechanical mistakes, you get the idea. But the demonstrated mindset is there.

Mastina/Hectic associatives look awful.

[Ame]

Oh keep forgetting about that.

[Ame]

He wasn't sabatoged. He just claimed to inorder to explain why he lost an XP during the night and to get himself cleared.

What were his reads throughout day 1?

Momo, Pink, Ginnie

[Not Known 15]

VOTE: Hectic

[Alisae]

He wasn't sabatoged. He just claimed to inorder to explain why he lost an XP during the night and to get himself cleared.

What were his reads throughout day 1?

Momo, Pink, Ginnie

Right now I feel like the most important things I want to identify are things I could identify with a map but its hard for me to motivate myself to map out an ISO so I am kinda leaning on you a bit and I hope you don't mind that.

I care about what reads he had when he had them, most notably the ones about buddies.