Mini 2133: XP Mafia II (Game Over)

[Raven Branwen]

They could both be scum. You mean Farkset?

mastina/knightmare was not voting either, spring was voting farkset, farkset was voting spring. Looks like cross bussing to me.

Looks more like a retaliatory wagon to me. Spring was leading the charge against Farkset. Scum rarely come into Day 1 and cross bus each other.

Second, the wagon collapse onto Spring happened far too fast to be all town. So unless you're arguing 4 scum, I just can't see Spring as scum here.

Scum rarely cross bus day 1 because they lose a body.

In this case they don't lose a body so there's little downside.

Your premise is wrong.

You’re no great at reading psychology.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Scum can vote each other all they want d1 without needing to add another mislynch to win. It's a freebie.

[Raven Branwen]

They could both be scum. You mean Farkset?

mastina/knightmare was not voting either, spring was voting farkset, farkset was voting spring. Looks like cross bussing to me.

Looks more like a retaliatory wagon to me. Spring was leading the charge against Farkset. Scum rarely come into Day 1 and cross bus each other.

Second, the wagon collapse onto Spring happened far too fast to be all town. So unless you're arguing 4 scum, I just can't see Spring as scum here.

Scum rarely cross bus day 1 because they lose a body.

In this case they don't lose a body so there's little downside.

Your premise is wrong.

You’re no great at reading psychology.

What I obviously mean is that spring clearly really wanted to be quest leader - like really really badly not captured. Her capture was blatantly obviously

involuntary

and if you have any experience whatsoever with scum!Farkran, you’d know he isn’t likely to involuntarily bus his teammates.

[Raven Branwen]

Scum can vote each other all they want d1 without needing to add another mislynch to win. It's a freebie.

Spring was hellbent on being quest leader. That’s why PB thought she could be scum for it. She 100% would never have been onboard with being captured. That’s why I think Ali is is very probably town because e realized that right out of the gate and with obvious conviction. So, while your point about distancing is valid mechwise, it falls flat psychology wise. Because no one who is that over the top insistent on being Quest leader would have ever in a gazillion years agree to be captured. That’s why I insisted on getting that slot because of Farkset flip. I would have never taken it otherwise. Iow, spring and Farkset could never be SvS, based on how badly she wanted to be Quest leader.

[Ame]

Let's end the day.

[Ame]

Is Raven literally just a Spring alt?

[Alisae]

How many votes am I at to lynch?

[Ame]

I believe L-2.

[Raven Branwen]

Let's end the day.

I’d like to hear from Creature first, if possible. He is one of the most underrated scumhunters on this site. Another reason, I didn’t want to vote Raya, because he has good instincts.

He hard tr Ali, me and Raya but he didn’t say who is in his PoE.

[Raven Branwen]

How many votes am I at to lynch?

What? Why tf are we voting Ali? Can people please unvote? I think e’s a likely mislynch.

[Ame]

It's fine, don't you think? We have enough mislynches. Let's just start reducing the pool.

[Raven Branwen]

Let's end the day.

No, not if we’re lynching Ali!

Is Raven literally just a Spring alt?

Yer funny.

[Raven Branwen]

It's fine, don't you think? We have enough mislynches. Let's just start reducing the pool.

I’d prefer to actually lynch slots I think have a better than rand chance of flipping scum. I don’t think Ali is scum.

[Ame]

I don't think any of the current candidates will flip scum. I think we should just end the day. I am willing to capture Ali, if that would make you more comfortable.

[Pink Ball]

We need a votecount pronto. I don't know what the deadline is.

@Raven I agree with you and I'm voting with you, but that's something everyone can say, that they'd rather lynch slots they think have a better than rand chance of flipping scum, but you have to compromise sometimes in order to get your teamwork on point.

Not that I'm saying you should vote Ali in this particular case; I'm not doing it and I probably won't. I already defended Ali against scum one time, I'm happy to do it again.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Deadline is in 48h.

[Raven Branwen]

why was Flight of the Conchords lynched and which notable people stood out against that lynch and who was for it

Ali townslipped here. We didn’t mislynch FotC, scum killed him.

knightmare491 mastina - i like the claim
Pink Ball
Raya36
Pine - i think they are tmi'd by farkset
Ginngie - i think their town
Lady Chloe - they seemed townie last I looked
springlullaby - not scum with farkset imo
Not Known 15 - probs town lmao
Hectic - fuck i actually haven't read a single posts tbh
Ame

like

mastina wasn't bussing lady chloe at the beginning of the game, so Creature is ok to me

PB is super good for D2 EoD but if they're alive F3 actually give this some consideration
Pine was TMI'd by Fark
NK15 to me is town for suggesting Spring v Fark is SvS

Spring is town to me cause of Fark
Hectic was sabotaged

I'm not gonna suggest Ame is scum because fucking lol
and this is likely just Ginngie's towngame.

Like, Raya is just the only thing that makes sense to me at the moment.

pedit: I think thats fine? let me double check with SS tbh

This doesn’t look like a scum mindset made this post.

[Raven Branwen]

I don't think any of the current candidates will flip scum. I think we should just end the day. I am willing to capture Ali, if that would make you more comfortable.

I think NK15 has a better chance than Ali.

If I’m right about Ali and I think I am, what’s to stop scum from no killing in order to frame em?

[Raven Branwen]

why was Flight of the Conchords lynched and which notable people stood out against that lynch and who was for it

Did you all read this? Ali townslipped.

[Ame]

It would allow time for everyone to train and upgrade. It's quite possible that one of the three VT roles is an investigative or has an IC element. In the previous game, one of the VT's upgraded to an IC I believe.

[Ame]

I don't really trust town slips from strong players. For example, mastina also town slipped. That being said, I do think Ali's tone in general and their willingness to be lynched is town indicative.

[Raven Branwen]

We need a votecount pronto. I don't know what the deadline is.

@Raven I agree with you and I'm voting with you, but that's something everyone can say, that they'd rather lynch slots they think have a better than rand chance of flipping scum, but you have to compromise sometimes in order to get your teamwork on point.

Not that I'm saying you should vote Ali in this particular case; I'm not doing it and I probably won't. I already defended Ali against scum one time, I'm happy to do it again.

I don’t see how it helps the game for me to vote slots I don’t think will flip scum. I already feel bad enough about voting Hectic. Thankfully that didn’t go through.

Had I re-ISO’d Knight beforehand, I would have never voted him.

[Alisae]

Oh yeah Creature is in this game

And is lurking

[Ame]

I think process of elimination is leading me to PB since my reasoning for classifying them as town is the flimsiest. And the push on Knight came a little too late I think since it was after I proposed the capture Knight/gift strategy. Thinking about it, that post mastina made about putting PB in the town pile was kind of strange as well. This is stream of conscious.

[Raven Branwen]

I don't really trust town slips from strong players. For example, mastina also town slipped. That being said, I do think Ali's tone in general and their willingness to be lynched is town indicative.

Mastina’s looked fake though.