Newbie 2004: Trash Panada Hour. Redux! GAME OVER

[Formerfish]

I played on this site years ago on a

different account

Who were you before?

literally scroll up three messages

Yeah, maybe you shouldnt answer questions to other people when clearly you dont understand the question being asked.

[Formerfish]

Who were you before?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/memberlist. ... le&u=28557

Name seems familiar, but i dont think weve crossed paths prior to this.

[Nauci]

I agree with most of the points lilith made in 351 except the one about the abrasion between ironcat and formerfish. I think that was a genuine clashing of egos but I don't think I glean any alignment info from it. The points about votato make me question my read there, but when consuming 14 pages all at once it felt like an endless torrent of IIOA posts and I have strung up scum from that pattern in the past

353 @lilith Yes

368 Why isn't Formerfish on this list and also what does "because fishyman behave really weird after I suspected her" mean?

369 Wait I thought those posts were referring to Freddie

372 @Lilith: can you quote up the progression you're talking about copykat doing here? I don't know if I understood what you're saying.

381 Hmm I'm not sure if two separate times confusing events is AI or not

387 This post gave me quite a giggle because NDT is down for being a total jackass outside of his narrow areas of expertise while Mike Tyson is a pretty nice guy these days.

389 This post feels like genuine righteous indignation but I'm crossing my fingers this isn't setting the tone for the whole game

391 @Gibus were you saying that Formerfish and Lilith were doing a bit of theater in the posts just above this?

392 Okay now that's a level of rudeness which is both totally unwarranted and completely inappropriate for thew Newbie Games section. Inb4 the entire game derails over this kind of thing or we get 4 replacements. The irony of someone saying J"flooding the thread with your vitriol" or "Why the fuck do i want to talk to you if this is how you react to a miscommunication." after accusing them of cunting up a thread is

I don't know if it's intentional but I think it's going to have the effect of deterring people from interacting with you and hamper the productivity in this game

403, 404, and 405 all feel like shallow inquiries with obvious misinterpretations to mimic scumhunting from CopyKat

419 @votato can you link that game? Also, I'm liking your posts much more since about page 13

421 Hmm. HHhhhhmmmmmm. I like this post.

I think at least one scum is an SE.

Was this based on statistics or reads?

Personally, I'm not interested in drama regardless of alignment. Mafia is a drama game, but this shit isn't up my alley. I'm blunt and to the point.

Apart from my personal interested, mafia shouldn't be able to talk to each other until at night. So it's not like they can read each other minds and agree beforehand that they should stage a fight.
So again, those claims don't work in this context.

I don't think I understand what this post is saying.

464 Condescension aside I think this is astute.

467 Gibus his name is literally

former

fish, gosh

468 @Formerfish: That isn't the reason his "gambit" was bad and anti-town

oh boy the edible was a lot more powerful than I expected and it just kicked in maybe this is the best way to read Formerfish posts

Going to submit this without reading all the new posts since it's just a catch up wall anyway

[Nauci]

Oh boy oh gee a Formerfish game! I swear that wasn't sarcastic I am legit twice as excited now

Have we played together before?

I don't think so; the reaction was by reputation

elaborate?

At some point in some conversation with somebody over 2 years ago when I was last active someone told me that formerfish games are wild and I had seen his post counts so I was kind of excited to play with them based on that

[osuka]

I played on this site years ago on a

different account

Who were you before?

literally scroll up three messages

Yeah, maybe you shouldnt answer questions to other people when clearly you dont understand the question being asked.

ah i'm a fucking idiot

my bad

[osuka]

though, in my defense:

disclaimer: the following posts are not going to involve a lot of thought so bear with me for a second

[Formerfish]

Okay now that's a level of rudeness which is both totally unwarranted and completely inappropriate for thew Newbie Games section. Inb4 the entire game derails over this kind of thing or we get 4 replacements. The irony of someone saying J"flooding the thread with your vitriol" or "Why the fuck do i want to talk to you if this is how you react to a miscommunication." after accusing them of cunting up a thread is

I see how you only chastize me for my post which was in response to being called an asshole multiple times in a post.

Is it ok in your book to call people assholes but not cunts? I felt like since she was the first to call me names that it was fair game, and since cunts and assholes go together, it seemed to fit.

Notice how we also came to blows and we figured out why we were fighting and that it was just a misunderstanding that we squashed. So don't be coming in here tyring to stir shit up that we already buried.

[Nauci]

Has anyone ever heard of a Slayer's Gambit?

Rut Roh Shaggy, it's one of those games

[osuka]

Okay now that's a level of rudeness which is both totally unwarranted and completely inappropriate for thew Newbie Games section. Inb4 the entire game derails over this kind of thing or we get 4 replacements. The irony of someone saying J"flooding the thread with your vitriol" or "Why the fuck do i want to talk to you if this is how you react to a miscommunication." after accusing them of cunting up a thread is

I see how you only chastize me for my post which was in response to being called an asshole multiple times in a post.

Is it ok in your book to call people assholes but not cunts? I felt like since she was the first to call me names that it was fair game, and since cunts and assholes go together, it seemed to fit.

Notice how we also came to blows and we figured out why we were fighting and that it was just a misunderstanding that we squashed. So don't be coming in here tyring to stir shit up that we already buried.

wouldn't you say cunts and dicks go together more than assholes and cunts? Or is that just false?

if it

is

false, though, wouldn't that mean that dicks and assholes are just as close as cunts and assholes?

[Nauci]

Okay now that's a level of rudeness which is both totally unwarranted and completely inappropriate for thew Newbie Games section. Inb4 the entire game derails over this kind of thing or we get 4 replacements. The irony of someone saying J"flooding the thread with your vitriol" or "Why the fuck do i want to talk to you if this is how you react to a miscommunication." after accusing them of cunting up a thread is

I see how you only chastize me for my post which was in response to being called an asshole multiple times in a post.

Is it ok in your book to call people assholes but not cunts? I felt like since she was the first to call me names that it was fair game, and since cunts and assholes go together, it seemed to fit.

Notice how we also came to blows and we figured out why we were fighting and that it was just a misunderstanding that we squashed. So don't be coming in here tyring to stir shit up that we already buried.

Your reaction was objectively more aggressive and inappropriate, especially for the Newbie queue where that kind of thing would often warrant a warning, and it has the extremely anti-town effect of discouraging people from interacting either with you or with the entire game to the point of considering replacing out. I agree with her assessment that your previous post was also being a jerk but describing a post as assholery is not at all the same thing as the level of vitriol you then escalated with. If you think that's unfair then we should agree to disagree.

[Formerfish]

oh boy the edible was a lot more powerful than I expected and it just kicked in maybe this is the best way to read Formerfish posts

I concur. Since they are written high, they are best enjoyed that way as well.

[Formerfish]

agree to disagree.

[Tuxedo Mask]

Hey, was this a serious attempt at a Thunderdome?

Last time you checked was gladiating a thing that could be done in newbie games?

When you find the answer to that question, take it an apply it to your own and you will have your answer.

Right, I still want to know what you were trying to accomplish with that.

[Formerfish]

Hey, was this a serious attempt at a Thunderdome?

Last time you checked was gladiating a thing that could be done in newbie games?

When you find the answer to that question, take it an apply it to your own and you will have your answer.

Right, I still want to know what you were trying to accomplish with that.

I was poking a scum read and trying to inject a little levity to my posts because multiple people were reading my words as super fucking serious ones and had been placing me in a certain box because of how they were misreading my words, so that was supposed to be more of a joke, which people still took serious.

Its a way for me to judge how people take me as well. I think scum would latch on to that more than town.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Guys and gals keep it civil.

[Formerfish]

Guys and gals keep it civil.

[Tuxedo Mask]

Hey, was this a serious attempt at a Thunderdome?

Last time you checked was gladiating a thing that could be done in newbie games?

When you find the answer to that question, take it an apply it to your own and you will have your answer.

Right, I still want to know what you were trying to accomplish with that.

I was poking a scum read and trying to inject a little levity to my posts because multiple people were reading my words as super fucking serious ones and had been placing me in a certain box because of how they were misreading my words, so that was supposed to be more of a joke, which people still took serious.

Its a way for me to judge how people take me as well. I think scum would latch on to that more than town.

Fair enough. There does seem to be a playstyle barrier between you and other players. Is there anything you've seen as scum latching on this game? Sorry if it's been addressed already.

[votato]

here is the game i was referencing with lilith: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=82849

[Formerfish]

Fair enough. There does seem to be a playstyle barrier between you and other players. Is there anything you've seen as scum latching on this game? Sorry if it's been addressed already.

I'm fine with barriers, because when you actually talk to me and try to figure the game out with me then you have a different side of me playing.

Read my signature line from Mary Jo. I can be a dick, but usually that comes out in response to people, not as a way that I address them out of the gate.

If you want to see what im talking about go back and look at some of my finished newbie games. I have pretty much said the exact thing in prior games in regards to my play, so either im playing a certain way to set up that one scum game for me, or this is just how i play and youll just need to see if it works or not.

I will say that my record as town in newbies is fairly good, while my scum games lack in depth. So I suppose im saying that if i actually am scum, you guys will realize it over time and until then im better off alive then dead.

[Freddiethelady]

Gibus is sus to me because of all the vote switching and random accusations.

So when you first said that, I thought it was good that you were trying to push town out of RVS

But it's really weird to me that by this point, you're still clutching to RVS behavior from Gibus and even using it to justify a scummy read

Are you asking me why I am still holding on to RVS behavior from Gibus?

[Tuxedo Mask]

Sorry, my catch up is getting cut short tonight. On page twenty.

My FoS is on Freddiethelady and Ironcat.

Votato and Feathers are still town, and I'm tossing FF in there as well.

The rest I'm hoping to sort in the remaining pages.

[wavesarc]

Ok serious question: any tips for reading games when you replace in?

[Formerfish]

Take it one inc... i mean page at a time.

[Nauci]

Gibus is sus to me because of all the vote switching and random accusations.

So when you first said that, I thought it was good that you were trying to push town out of RVS

But it's really weird to me that by this point, you're still clutching to RVS behavior from Gibus and even using it to justify a scummy read

Are you asking me why I am still holding on to RVS behavior from Gibus?

IDK, how long did you hold that past post 345?

[Nauci]

Gibus I'm real proud of how much better your posts got though I don't agree with your views

If i were scum, why would I act this way knowing its going to bring heat down on me?

So... you can't possibly be scum because scum wouldn't possibly be scummy?

And i agree that stating what im doing does take a little of the bite out of it, but notice i didnt care right away and let everyone in on the plan. I had thought that Brass would have been able to back me up, but again I mistook him for someone else. If he had been who i thought he was then he would have been able to let you guys know you were barking up the wrong tree and could kinda leave me alone to do my thing.

There's at least 1 town between Brass and FF

No, i didnt make this up as a "strat" to explain scummy behavior.

OK but did you quote the strat to explain scummy behavior?

The way Brass's activity super dropped off between pg 14 and pg 20 (so at least a day?) is concerning to me. He's such a great town player but, like me, are kind of paralyzed with lack of motivation as sum (we replaced out of the same scum slot in a game once after a short period of trying hard). Freddie is still suspiciously absent in the action. Easy to put up rank lists w/o real time interaction (or even lapsed time interaction?)

496 Oh good the TvTs actually resulted in T reading T as T

498 thank you for calling out that major potential source of miscommunication