Mini Normal 2146: Cute Pets Game Over, Town wins

[Emperor flippyNips]

Well in that case the read on Flipy is kinda useless but ok

just like flippy himself;))

i was deeply saddened when his wagon faded away into the ether.

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what do you think about my lynching pool, gypyx? excellent curation of suspects or merely above average?

damn so harsh. this game just started hop off my back

[Emperor flippyNips]

current members:

hoopla (president)
gobbledygook
notscience
renaissance
gypyx

Awfully, Awfully built.
I think you might be town here, but there's still 1-2 scum there.

+1

[Emperor flippyNips]

The main take away is hoopla is still scum. Espe is also understandably scummy for not posting content. both are scummy. And hikari needs to stop sheeping me, obviously.

CooLDoG we are going to run these scumboys into the GROUND

vote hoopla dude.

how is he sheeping you when hes not even voting the same person as you?

[Emperor flippyNips]

vote hoopla dude.

Unvote, Vote: Hoopla

oh.. guess you were voting him.

[Emperor flippyNips]

*w/ him

[Emperor flippyNips]

i am signalling a seachange. please consider a flippy vote. the only time he really participated was when he was under pressure from an earlier wagon. he somehow memed his way out of contention and his slipped into active-lurking. it's time.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: flippy

i don't remember having that much pressure on me


but its what i do

[Emperor flippyNips]

Hoopla for madame President

VOTE: Hoopla

the nerve!

Haha, I was just messing with you.

What’s your read on Agar?

VOTE: Flippy

the nerve!

[Emperor flippyNips]

@the turkey– i would just like to say you didn't even have me in your read list earlier & now this

Spoiler:

[Emperor flippyNips]

well im all caught up now, i think im gonna stick with a town lean on the people i said earlier. maybe things will change in the morning or whatever whatever. im sleepy now, more tomorrow

Spoiler:

[UnaBombaH]

I can feel my townlean on CoolDog waning with each post.
Over-exaggerated selfconfidence and the attitude in their latest posts make me sad.

[UnaBombaH]

Also.
I'm gonna drop the topic now, but I heavily disagree with two separate assessments made regarding the Traitor-talk.
First of all, if someone thinks they have spotted a tell for a traitor, it does not matter how "common" they are. If they are allowed in Normals, they can be in any and every game.
I just finished a game with two Millers, Innocent Child, a Town Ascetic Encryptor with no hoods and two scum in it. (11:2)

I do not EXPECT to run into a setup like this ever again, but that wasn't the first time on site with two Millers in the game.
So assuming something based on how common it is?
I think it has some similarities with how Gamblers fallacy works.

[UnaBombaH]

..and second of all..

gypyx is likely only scum if there is a traitor. his alignment could sort itself out without us guessing, if one were to flip at some point.

But we do not know whether he'd be the traitor himself. Meaning that unless he's ever flipped himself, we might not get the confirmation that a Traitor exists.

There, now I'm done with the subject, and will look for scummy posts with a different perspective.

[PranaDevil]

this leads me to my opinions on day 1 and what

i

view its purpose is. in my observations, towns often struggle with organising a lynch before deadline. 30% of day 1's end with a lynch on an unclaimed player. this occurs because town's wait until the 11th hour to organise a lynch, then when a roleclaim comes, all of a sudden things change. the gamestate has changed. information - real information - has finally come into the game, and they now only have 24 hours to organise a new lynch, and lo and behold it lands on some random townie, as any vote can be justified in a deadline panic.

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in my eyes, we should have the first L-1 wagon organised before the halfway point of day 1. that way, we have enough time to assess the claim and deal with the fallout.

Not even regarding this game. I've never really thought about this before, but I like it, as it's bang n the money. We should have a potential lynch prepared by the halfway point, not even necessarily day 1, but on all days, so we have actual time to deal with a claim.

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The above is more a "general a good idea in other games too" thing. Onto this actual post...

Hoopla 397 literally says "Focus on these people, a majority of the scum lies here" and has a big red ring around:

Flippy
Hiraki
Una
brass
Espe
Lickety
Prana

Now... I'm not saying scum won't be in there, scum love to lurk, and hey, I've posted the least... I also don't split my replies up into a response to every single thing I respond to, so focusing just on posts themselves... well that can fuck right off at the best of times. Number of posts isn't that important. Plus I am not great early game. Never have been. I do better after a re-read and a lynch of two, where I can do some analysis. If you expect me to be coming out of the gates day one as some amazing super posting person.... you'll be disappointed. My early reads are generally bad (I'm actually finding CooLDoG to be more town, the more I read).

Anyway... Hoopla advocates for the above to be where we should focus. I'll note that Flippy has 22 posts, renaissance has 24... is that 2 post difference such a huge thing? Why is renaissance somehow ignored there?

Then Hoopla votes for Flippy... the person who's posted the most of all those she ringed... fair enough she was on me, and that was going nowhere... but why stop voting me after you post about wanting to push lurkers? If "number of posts made" is your most important factor... you stay on me and push for more pressure on me, not less... especially when I hadn't posted for a while. So pushing lurkers... ignoring renaissance, voting flippy instead of staying on me, or something equally light on posting... none of it adds up.

and... Flippy just posted a SHIT TON of posts... like... 16 posts... based on Hoopla's table, that puts him at 38 posts, well out of "scum" range... and yet let's count the pointless posts shall we?

409 - "I got prodded"
410 - "Will read later"
412 - A one line question
421 - "here are three town reads"
422 - "I missed that post"
423 - "I was forgotten"
424 - Just copying 423 and adding more...

So... at the end of the page there, we have 7 posts that literally add nothing to the discussion, and are merely designed to push up post count.

425 - Just complaining Hoopla made a joke
426 - Just added "+1"
427 - Actually a good post... oh wait...
428 - No it wasn't.
429 - A pointless correction, everyone knew what was meant.
430 - Fuck me.
431 - Another nothing post
432 - Compaining at Gobbledy
433 - Finished posting, bye...

Like... NOT ONE OF THEM IS A GOOD POST!

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Emperor flippyNips

Prior to that flurry of absolute sludge to shove the post count into the roof, I was happy to dive on that Hoopla wagon... but holy jesus fucking christ Flippy just may as well have waved a big flag saying "scum here" with that garbage.

I will say, that doesn't prevent Hoopla being scum either, I feel that's a viable scum wagon, and her vote on Flippy is entirely likely to be s/s

[Gypyx]

(Quick notice that i'll have decreased activity for the next fed days, lots of shit happening)

[CooLDoG]

flippy isn't the worst vote in the world. I kinda want to vote espe for productivity reasons, but I don't like being on wagons with my scum reads. Feels wrong.

I don't necessarily want to argue against Hoopla's technical analysis. I mean, I generally agree that scum lurk more than town. But, given that it is d1, I'm not sure if scum are going to be lurking around thhaaaat much. I'm also not sure if lynching a lurker d1 is the way to go as well. I think that's more of a d2/d3 lynch. We cna get more info from lynching someone who isn't a lurker due to association tells going into d2.

I guess going off of Hoopla's system I would pref to lynch either renaissance. It must be noted that if you believe in hoopla's system you can't exonerate her for it, because it is her very system. SHe will perposfully play to look town under it as scum and town.....

I am thinking of shipping over to espe.


I also agree with prana that flippy is playing terrible and has a bunch of nothing posting. Thus, I would be willing to hop ship to him as a comprimise if deadline pressure comes our way. We have not heard from espe in ages. He should be verging on a prod. If he comes in and only p-doges, then I'll for sure vote for him....

Flippy supposedly caught up and then basically posted nothing. Like, actually nothing.

[CooLDoG]

who is adamantly against an espe lynch?

[brassherald]

Vote Count Day 1.07

Espeonage (3):

LicketyQuickety, Hoopla, gobbledygook

Hoopla (3):

Emperor flippyNips, CooLDoG, Hiraki

CooLDoG (2):

Espeonage, renaissance

gobbledygook (2):

Gypyx, AGar

Emperor flippyNips (1):

PranaDevil

Gypyx(1):

notscience

notscience (1):

UnaBombaH


Espeonage has been prodded

There are (expired on 2020-06-17 06:05:00) remaining in Day 1
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.[/area]
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[notscience]

who is adamantly against an espe lynch?

The other two members of his team?

I’m gonna be moving there after a check the vc

[CooLDoG]

yeah, I need to see a vc, but am also contemplating a move. Hoopla could easily be bussing. Does throw a wrench in my gobbles read though. Don't think two scum would bus d1 with a wagon in the state it was in.

[gobbledygook]

Una could be scum. Talking an awful lot about things without using his vote

[UnaBombaH]

Once more people are driving a wagon for a D1-lynch that I simply do not understand.
I mean, out of all the slots in this game right now, you really think Espeonage is the one that'll yield a scum flip?
Or in the case of a mislynch, the most associations possible?
I honestly think the best lynch option comes from Hooplas so called townblock.

[UnaBombaH]

Una could be scum. Talking an awful lot about things without using his vote

Talking an awful lot?
Objectively false - check the postcounts.
Not using my vote?
Objectively false - I have cast my vote, and so far think it is in a reasonable slot.

[gobbledygook]

That reads to me like a scum reaction. Una, you aren’t doing anything to get the person you’re voting lynched. Most of your posts are talking about Gypyx. Ergo talking a lot but not doing anything with your vote

[CooLDoG]

^fair point.

[AGar]

Una, you aren’t doing anything to get the person you’re voting lynched.