Mini Normal 2146: Cute Pets Game Over, Town wins

[notscience]

Agar- the way gypdanced around it gave me the heebie jeebies. Like regardless of the flip I could see soft bus or distancing from a mid Lynch.

T makes me more interested in flipping him than the turkey.

I never did get to iso una so let me do it. I still liked his early stuff

[notscience]

That wagon is 1 vote from a player who got replaced twice and two votes are “eh I guess”

That doesn’t really inspire faith in the wagon

[notscience]

Hoopla what made him go from “I sense people aren’t townreading him” to “he’s on a scum team with prana”

[notscience]

And I did read una but I really don’t get the case on him? I feel like more people than him have been questioning townblocking this game so what makes him so special

[Hoopla]

Hoopla what made him go from “I sense people aren’t townreading him” to “he’s on a scum team with prana”

process-of-elimination and some advanced wagon composition analytics from my patented H.A.H.A system of advanced tells for advanced players.

believe me, i have these guys pinned.

[AGar]

my patented H.A.H.A system of advanced tells for advanced players.

What's the acronym of the system for players like me?

[Hoopla]

my patented H.A.H.A system of advanced tells for advanced players.

What's the acronym of the system for players like me?

All Bluster & Cavalier (A. B. C.)

[Battle Mage]

Agar defending Gypyx - to note

[UnaBombaH]

i have a prana/unabombah scumteam, by the way.

You should be above this..

So Hoopla, are you just scum here after all?
I vaguely remember the game we were scum together, and I thought you were able to fake rational reads back then.
I actually thought it would've been nice to be town together in another game because I really thought you'd actually make accurate reads as town.

Why have you paired me and prana?
And furthermore - what makes you so sure that gobbledy is town?

[UnaBombaH]

i have a prana/unabombah scumteam, by the way.

not sure who the third is yet, but it isn't the turkey. i'm quietly confident he is town, and am hoping the non-voters, replacements and vanity vote-parkers select una ahead of him.

i'd be voting prana way ahead of una. and keepin' it real - the unabombah wagon ain't shit right now. Momentum says we lynch Gypyx.

Wait wait, but why Gypyx over Gobbledy?

[UnaBombaH]

I think he was playing it too safe, got called on it and Overcorrected himself.

You know, I questioned and pressured Gypyx to the best of my abilities after that susssssss talk about a Traitor.
But this course of action here -

FoS instead of vote -> get called out for it -> vote

- seems like something that can be called scummy in the very same manner.
So he is either one of the worst scumplayers I have seen, or he is just a shaky townplayer. And I'm starting to lean towards the latter.
Over-explaining, over-analyzing, over-cautious.

[UnaBombaH]

As of now, anyone pushing for gypyx based on these actions might just be scum pushing for an "easy" lynch, or to misguide town away from the first good wagon we got going.
Interestingly enough, that wagon for Gypyx re-emerged as a response to the Gobbledy-wagon gaining critical mass.

Now, as I'm not arrogant enough to say that I'm 100% on it, I'm willing to accept an alternate scenario where Gypyx is indeed scum and in that case Gobbledy is likely town.
But for now, I'm not even considering moving my vote since Gypyx seems like a suboptimal choice today.

[UnaBombaH]

Agar- the way gypdanced around it gave me the heebie jeebies. Like regardless of the flip I could see soft bus or distancing from a mid Lynch.

Even more reason to lynch Gobbledy today, and analyze those actions based on the flip..?

[Hoopla]

So Hoopla, are you just scum here after all?
I vaguely remember the game we were scum together, and I thought you were able to fake rational reads back then.

i vaguely remember playing with you too. we had a grand old time til I got cop'd on N3, then we unravelled spectacularly.

I actually thought it would've been nice to be town together in another game because I really thought you'd actually make accurate reads as town.

if you think i'm able to fake rational reads as scum, wouldn't my hypothetically irrational reads now be a town tell?

[UnaBombaH]

Hoopla what made him go from “I sense people aren’t townreading him” to “he’s on a scum team with prana”

process-of-elimination and some advanced wagon composition analytics from my patented H.A.H.A system of advanced tells for advanced players.

believe me, i have these guys pinned.

This is wrong, lazy and not even that funny.
OK, sort of funny.

Maybe just play normally for a moment and help people get a reliable read on you as well?
I'm sure you can post "normally" too, and this has just all been a gameplay-decision by you.

[UnaBombaH]

if you think i'm able to fake rational reads as scum, wouldn't my hypothetically irrational reads now be a town tell?

No, it does not work like that!
C'mon help me out here.

[Hoopla]

don't start me on a rant about normalcy, una!

[UnaBombaH]

Does that mean you don't consider my posting normal?

[Hoopla]

Maybe just play normally for a moment and help people get a reliable read on you as well?
I'm sure you can post "normally" too, and this has just all been a gameplay-decision by you.

una, i could fake confidence in reads or scumhunt in the traditional way on D1 if i wanted to, but i don't. if an observation comes to mind, i offer those, but i prefer putting my energy into motivating the town to actually make decisions and organise a lynch wagon. i don't know why everyone is so content to let things just drag out until the last minute. it just creates apathy - and apathetic towns are losing towns. it produces a gamestate that seems to attract replacements, and it also creates an environment where scum can not only lurk through critical moments, they're encouraged to. towns tend to go after vocal townies who are polarising on D1 because they have nothing else to go off. why wouldn't scum lurk/active lurk?

i do get behavioural reads on D1, but they are more intuitive and based on how players interact with/perceive me, since that is the only alignment i currently know. i prefer to info dump and analyse D1 play the next day once we also have some other flips to work with.

in the mean time, i will be cracking the whip on players like flippy routinely stalling the game for no good reason.

[Gypyx]

this is an unrelated observation to the current conversation, but it needs to be said:

if

the two leading wagons (turkey and una) are town, then flippy is my top pick for scum. he hasn't made a vote in the last 12 pages while both of these wagons have developed, despite having posted 40+ times during that period. there is nothing scum love doing more than sitting back and letting innocent townies do their dirty work for them. this is especially true when the scumteam as a whole is under little to no direct pressure.

who do you think would be scum based on the hypothesis that Flippy is scum lurking because of the low pressure on his buddies then?

[Gypyx]

Agar- the way gypdanced around it gave me the heebie jeebies. Like regardless of the flip I could see soft bus or distancing from a mid Lynch.

T makes me more interested in flipping him than the turkey.

I never did get to iso una so let me do it. I still liked his early stuff

are you actually reading my vote as two opposite things? make up your mind x)

[Gypyx]

Hoopla for madame President

VOTE: Hoopla

the nerve!

Haha, I was just messing with you.

What’s your read on Agar?

VOTE: Flippy

Hoopla doesn't Espeonage better fit the profile of scum you're saying? Less posts and almost at prod range.

VOTE: Espeonage

Plus this gives me the ammo I need to kill Agar

also here, Gooble is redirecting the wagon from Flippy to Espe, so i'm kinda seeing Gooble / Flippy being scum

[UnaBombaH]

i do get behavioural reads on D1, but they are more intuitive and based on how players interact with/perceive me, since that is the only alignment i currently know.

This makes sense to me, and reflects very much how I used to play D1s and 2s.
The thing here, is that it's misguided as hell to assume "I am town, therefore everyone should always know I'm town, or they are scum".

AND I'M NOT SAYING YOU DO ( )

, but that is often the problem.
People tend to get caught in the emotional side when no one trusts them or understands them.
And we can rarely see the flaws in ourselves - something we do or say might seem scummy to someone else but the fault is always in them.
Like how Gobbledy already said.

See ya nerds. This is probably a town loss with how bad the town is

= Salty/arrogant/selfcentered or whatever. I hate that post, and I've seen it from many players on this site.
The rest of us are all bad, because "we can't see how clearly he is town and everyone he votes is scum" - or something to that extent.
How about sometimes, if the majority is against you, the flaw might be in..you?

And while this could be interpreted in many ways, it's always just AtE and venting.
He could be scum faking it, or trying to vent his frustration.
But it does NOTHING to help town.
It's a team game.
If you get wagoned and lynched D1, no matter your alignment, use all the ammo you have left in favor of your surviving teammates.
And thus, I'm not moving my vote from Gobbledy, and consider their reactions on being wagoned very scummy indeed.
Ugh.

[UnaBombaH]

Now moving onto the actual subject at hand.

una, i could fake confidence in reads or scumhunt in the traditional way on D1 if i wanted to, but i don't. if an observation comes to mind, i offer those, but i prefer putting my energy into motivating the town to actually make decisions and organise a lynch wagon.

But don't you think we are already seeing wagons?
I believe Gobbledy is a very reasonable lynch.
I believe there's an equally high chance for the rest of the town to rally up on Gypyx.
Meaning that we are going to get a lynch today, and I already feel like we are closing in on the actual consensus forming.

I can't speak for you or anyone else, but I feel like there are multiple associations to be read here already.
I feel like my early nitpicking on the Traitor-thing achieved something quite useful as well.
I already moved on from it myself, but seeing how people come back to it from time to time, and now that this wagon has formed on Gypyx, it gives me lots of ideas on how and why scum might be playing this.

Obviously it's all theoretical until we get some flips, but I have a good feeling about this D1.

[Hoopla]

who do you think would be scum based on the hypothesis that Flippy is scum lurking because of the low pressure on his buddies then?

if flippy is scum, i'd give turkey and una better odds of being town.

having said that, i'd rather wait for flips before i do too much more "

if x is y, then z is q

" type reasoning.