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Post Post #2800 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 5:28 am

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Hmm, idk if the game seems solved, but I guess I think there’s a reasonable chance the game is close to solved and so I wanna lynch in the <solved game> pool before getting paranoid about deepwolves and re-examining the townbloc. Like if lilith and S_S are both town then I would support dismantling the townbloc as it exists and checking everyone in it. But given that PB was killed by the vig we’re missing the info of a scumkill and the gobbles lynch was essentially low info other than I think it was a safe lynch for scum to be on and would expect a fairly high concentration there. So I’d like to lynch one of the two players who seem to be hard to get a lynch going on and who if they are both scum means that the townbloc can continue another day or two while we check through the other names in the PoE.

I don’t really feel like something is wrong beyond the general sense of paranoia that comes on from the gamestate seeming to actually be okay, and I don’t see why it can’t be the case that this is just town having cohesion and finding one another especially given the general strength of the PL.

Without strong reasons to think that lil/S_S are town/town I’m not interested in letting that fester along until later days. Look at mini normal 2119 where as scum I deliberately tried to shift things off micc because I wanted him around in lategame and managed to get him mislynched despite him being *mechanically cleared*.

I don’t see the advantage of paranoiaing over the game seeming too easy or over a deepwolf before actually checking our work is what I guess I’m trying to say, and the only way to check our work as of now is flipping in lilith/S_S and seeing if they’re scum
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Post Post #2801 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 5:29 am

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In post 2799, skitter30 wrote:i feel like ss's and lilith's defenses of each other are Very Strange and that there's likely at least one scum in the pair because it's just ... a strange take? idk it almost sounds like it's written from a scum perspective
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Post Post #2802 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 5:29 am

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@dats 2800 was the response to your longer post if that wasn’t obvious already
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Post Post #2803 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 5:31 am

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i think there's at least one scum in ss/lilith but i'm also a little wary that you're townblocking people too fast
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Post Post #2804 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 5:33 am

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Post Post #2805 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 5:36 am

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In post 2795, skitter30 wrote:mena if we lynch lilith today would you canvas for ss tomorrow irregardless of lilith's alignment if i die?

and bingle's argument was kinda bad and like making a mountain out of a molehill kinda? or focusing on the wrong things? idk it felt weird to me
I’d much rather you just shot him tbh

I probably would but if lil is town and scum manage to kill tonight and you mis-shoot or we are in a world with a bus driver (still think that’s unlikely) I’d have to consider whether he’d been bus driven just to set him as the mylo mislynch

So I guess probably but I imagine I’d be worried about him being the lylo mislynch so I don’t wanna say that 100% of the time I would.

If lil flips scum then I would push for him tomorrow if he’s still alive as I don’t think we could be in mylo then

I just don’t see the need to worry too much about bingle for now while there seem to be much better candidates for scum to be sorted. Unless you think the townbloc is majorly wrong I think it’s okay to allow it to exist without needing to double check the members pre-flips

I’d reconsider bingle and what you’ve said if S_S/lil were both town
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Post Post #2806 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 5:37 am

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UNVOTE:
this is dumb

like either the solve is exactly {s_s, lili, maybe maria} or there's some bs going on because so far everyone is kinda fine? with it?
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Post Post #2807 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 5:37 am

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In post 2803, skitter30 wrote:i think there's at least one scum in ss/lilith but i'm also a little wary that you're townblocking people too fast
I don’t think I’m forcing it, but am I wrong in what I’m saying? I think I’m just giving a name to it while it had already more or less happened
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Post Post #2808 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 5:38 am

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In post 2806, Datisi wrote:UNVOTE:
this is dumb

like either the solve is exactly {s_s, lili, maybe maria} or there's some bs going on because so far everyone is kinda fine? with it?
Wouldn’t rule out PP or fb but yeah this seems pretty right for now
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Post Post #2809 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 5:38 am

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In post 2804, Datisi wrote:did you guys know i hate mafia
Trust telling is illegal datisi
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Post Post #2810 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 5:38 am

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(Joking about that being an actual trust tell, obviously)
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Post Post #2811 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 5:40 am

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In post 2725, ofrhz wrote:
VOTE COUNT 2.2
lilith2013 [4]:
Menalque [], Almost50 [], PenguinPower [], Blake Belladonna []
-- [L-2]

Something_Smart [3]:
skitter30 [], Firebringer [], Bingle

Not Voting [4]:
MariaR, Something_Smart, lilith2013, Datisi []

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i was going by the vc (edited to add bingle to s_s voters)
bc i know i'm town so i' yeeting that out of the solve
this is what i mean by "everyone is ok with those two" because the majority of the game is voting for one of those two and ugh
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Post Post #2812 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 5:42 am

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i guess i'm not super content with townblocking bingle and blake rn so i'm feeling like ~ cautious ~ of you trying to do that
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Post Post #2813 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 5:43 am

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The more I think about it the more I feel like scum would be bussing lilith here rather than trying to swing it over to me knowing she'd die tonight or tomorrow and the people who pushed me would look bad.
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Post Post #2814 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 5:43 am

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But conspicuously lilith and S_S are not voting. Is it not impossible, but is it even implausible to say that they’ve had weird interactions and been defensive of each other, they’re both scum and the reason people are happy with either is because scum don’t want to stand out by collectively pushing a third townie as a read but town are torn over which one is more likely to be scum and that’s why the votes are split like this

Obviously that’s possible, but I actually think that’s fairly plausible
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Post Post #2815 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 5:44 am

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In post 2812, skitter30 wrote:i guess i'm not super content with townblocking bingle and blake rn so i'm feeling like ~ cautious ~ of you trying to do that
What’s your objection on Blake? I thought you were TRing her as of a few pages ago but with some paranoia that she was pocketing you with her reads
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Post Post #2816 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 5:44 am

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In post 2759, skitter30 wrote:
In post 2632, skitter30 wrote:ss how do you feel about lilith rn?
ss did you answer this?
(and if you did, sorry, can you just requote it for me?)
Sort of. I said she was a big question mark in . The short answer is I don't know. The long answer is also I don't know.
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Post Post #2817 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 5:46 am

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In post 2814, Menalque wrote:But conspicuously lilith and S_S are not voting. Is it not impossible, but is it even implausible to say that they’ve had weird interactions and been defensive of each other, they’re both scum and the reason people are happy with either is because scum don’t want to stand out by collectively pushing a third townie as a read but town are torn over which one is more likely to be scum and that’s why the votes are split like this

Obviously that’s possible, but I actually think that’s fairly plausible
I'm not sure how much you've played with scum-me under pressure but I can tell you that if my partner and I were the two main wagons I would be bussing the pants off of them, not being wishy-washy.
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Post Post #2818 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 5:47 am

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i think i would rather flip lilith than s_s? ;_;
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Post Post #2819 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 5:48 am

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bleh hard game is hard
i feel like we almost have no flips cuz people went for the low-hanging fruit yesterday and the scum nk went missing

i'm feeling paranoid of blake. like she's not in my lynch pool rn but i don't feel comfortable townblocking her either

i'm also confused what lilith and ss are doing here because:
- if they're both scum why is one not bussing the other
- if they're svt why is the s not voting the t
- if they're tvt then like why is the gamestate so weird

ss this might be a weird thing to say but i'm gettng me/titus vibes from you/lilith rn
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Post Post #2820 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 5:50 am

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In post 2817, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 2814, Menalque wrote:But conspicuously lilith and S_S are not voting. Is it not impossible, but is it even implausible to say that they’ve had weird interactions and been defensive of each other, they’re both scum and the reason people are happy with either is because scum don’t want to stand out by collectively pushing a third townie as a read but town are torn over which one is more likely to be scum and that’s why the votes are split like this

Obviously that’s possible, but I actually think that’s fairly plausible
I'm not sure how much you've played with scum-me under pressure but I can tell you that if my partner and I were the two main wagons I would be bussing the pants off of them, not being wishy-washy.
I think this is possible but not my experience. I actually remember you really struggling to make a decision on whether to bus your partner (Pine) in Added to the Group Chat when I forced you to choose between bussing him or saving him. I also think it’s hard for you to immediately bus lilith in this game state due to your prior expressed read on her which would create a lot of dissonance but I think your recent “uncertainty” is you starting to try to create enough room to allow you to bus later on
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Post Post #2821 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 5:50 am

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In post 2819, skitter30 wrote:- if they're svt why is the s not voting the t
I mean, I can totally see scum-lilith setting out to pocket me and expecting to get townpoints from defending me while I'm being pushed.
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Post Post #2822 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 5:51 am

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In post 2820, Menalque wrote:I think this is possible but not my experience. I actually remember you really struggling to make a decision on whether to bus your partner (Pine) in Added to the Group Chat when I forced you to choose between bussing him or saving him.
The difference is I wasn't under pressure there, I was fairly townread and I was debating whether or not I could use that trust to shield him.
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Post Post #2823 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 5:51 am

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In post 2819, skitter30 wrote:i'm feeling paranoid of blake. like she's not in my lynch pool rn but i don't feel comfortable townblocking her either
Would you feel better if lilith reds?
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Post Post #2824 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 5:52 am

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i'm not scumreading mena even though something is telling me i should and i don't know what to do
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