Open 781: JK9++ Game Over!

[Menalque]

Hmm, idk if the game seems solved, but I guess I think there’s a reasonable chance the game is close to solved and so I wanna lynch in the <solved game> pool before getting paranoid about deepwolves and re-examining the townbloc. Like if lilith and S_S are both town then I would support dismantling the townbloc as it exists and checking everyone in it. But given that PB was killed by the vig we’re missing the info of a scumkill and the gobbles lynch was essentially low info other than I think it was a safe lynch for scum to be on and would expect a fairly high concentration there. So I’d like to lynch one of the two players who seem to be hard to get a lynch going on and who if they are both scum means that the townbloc can continue another day or two while we check through the other names in the PoE.

I don’t really feel like something is wrong beyond the general sense of paranoia that comes on from the gamestate seeming to actually be okay, and I don’t see why it can’t be the case that this is just town having cohesion and finding one another especially given the general strength of the PL.

Without strong reasons to think that lil/S_S are town/town I’m not interested in letting that fester along until later days. Look at mini normal 2119 where as scum I deliberately tried to shift things off micc because I wanted him around in lategame and managed to get him mislynched despite him being *mechanically cleared*.

I don’t see the advantage of paranoiaing over the game seeming too easy or over a deepwolf before actually checking our work is what I guess I’m trying to say, and the only way to check our work as of now is flipping in lilith/S_S and seeing if they’re scum

[Menalque]

i feel like ss's and lilith's defenses of each other are Very Strange and that there's likely at least one scum in the pair because it's just ... a strange take? idk it almost sounds like it's written from a scum perspective

Yes

[Menalque]

@dats 2800 was the response to your longer post if that wasn’t obvious already

[skitter30]

i think there's at least one scum in ss/lilith but i'm also a little wary that you're townblocking people too fast

[Datisi]

did you guys know i hate mafia

[Menalque]

mena if we lynch lilith today would you canvas for ss tomorrow irregardless of lilith's alignment if i die?

and bingle's argument was kinda bad and like making a mountain out of a molehill kinda? or focusing on the wrong things? idk it felt weird to me

I’d much rather you just shot him tbh

I probably would but if lil is town and scum manage to kill tonight and you mis-shoot or we are in a world with a bus driver (still think that’s unlikely) I’d have to consider whether he’d been bus driven just to set him as the mylo mislynch

So I guess probably but I imagine I’d be worried about him being the lylo mislynch so I don’t wanna say that 100% of the time I would.

If lil flips scum then I would push for him tomorrow if he’s still alive as I don’t think we could be in mylo then

I just don’t see the need to worry too much about bingle for now while there seem to be much better candidates for scum to be sorted. Unless you think the townbloc is majorly wrong I think it’s okay to allow it to exist without needing to double check the members pre-flips

I’d reconsider bingle and what you’ve said if S_S/lil were both town

[Datisi]

UNVOTE:
this is dumb

like either the solve is exactly {s_s, lili, maybe maria} or there's some bs going on because so far everyone is kinda fine? with it?

[Menalque]

i think there's at least one scum in ss/lilith but i'm also a little wary that you're townblocking people too fast

I don’t think I’m forcing it, but am I wrong in what I’m saying? I think I’m just giving a name to it while it had already more or less happened

[Menalque]

UNVOTE:
this is dumb

like either the solve is exactly {s_s, lili, maybe maria} or there's some bs going on because so far everyone is kinda fine? with it?

Wouldn’t rule out PP or fb but yeah this seems pretty right for now

[Menalque]

did you guys know i hate mafia

Trust telling is illegal datisi

[Menalque]

(Joking about that being an actual trust tell, obviously)

[Datisi]

VOTE COUNT 2.2

lilith2013 [4]:

Menalque [2433], Almost50 [2467], PenguinPower [2470], Blake Belladonna [2720]

-- [L-2]

Something_Smart [3]:

skitter30 [2389], Firebringer [2424], Bingle

Not Voting [4]:

MariaR, Something_Smart, lilith2013, Datisi [2585]

With

11

alive, it takes

6

to hammer.
Day 2 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-30 01:30:00)

Game Notes:

skitter30 regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays

i was going by the vc (edited to add bingle to s_s voters)
bc i know i'm town so i' yeeting that out of the solve
this is what i mean by "everyone is ok with those two" because the majority of the game is voting for one of those two and ugh

[skitter30]

i guess i'm not super content with townblocking bingle and blake rn so i'm feeling like ~ cautious ~ of you trying to do that

[Something_Smart]

The more I think about it the more I feel like scum would be bussing lilith here rather than trying to swing it over to me knowing she'd die tonight or tomorrow and the people who pushed me would look bad.

[Menalque]

But conspicuously lilith and S_S are not voting. Is it not impossible, but is it even implausible to say that they’ve had weird interactions and been defensive of each other, they’re both scum and the reason people are happy with either is because scum don’t want to stand out by collectively pushing a third townie as a read but town are torn over which one is more likely to be scum and that’s why the votes are split like this

Obviously that’s possible, but I actually think that’s fairly plausible

[Menalque]

i guess i'm not super content with townblocking bingle and blake rn so i'm feeling like ~ cautious ~ of you trying to do that

What’s your objection on Blake? I thought you were TRing her as of a few pages ago but with some paranoia that she was pocketing you with her reads

[Something_Smart]

ss how do you feel about lilith rn?

ss did you answer this?
(and if you did, sorry, can you just requote it for me?)

Sort of. I said she was a big question mark in 2713. The short answer is I don't know. The long answer is also I don't know.

[Something_Smart]

But conspicuously lilith and S_S are not voting. Is it not impossible, but is it even implausible to say that they’ve had weird interactions and been defensive of each other, they’re both scum and the reason people are happy with either is because scum don’t want to stand out by collectively pushing a third townie as a read but town are torn over which one is more likely to be scum and that’s why the votes are split like this

Obviously that’s possible, but I actually think that’s fairly plausible

I'm not sure how much you've played with scum-me under pressure but I can tell you that if my partner and I were the two main wagons I would be bussing the pants off of them, not being wishy-washy.

[Datisi]

i think i would rather flip lilith than s_s? ;_;

[skitter30]

bleh hard game is hard
i feel like we almost have no flips cuz people went for the low-hanging fruit yesterday and the scum nk went missing

i'm feeling paranoid of blake. like she's not in my lynch pool rn but i don't feel comfortable townblocking her either

i'm also confused what lilith and ss are doing here because:
- if they're both scum why is one not bussing the other
- if they're svt why is the s not voting the t
- if they're tvt then like why is the gamestate so weird

ss this might be a weird thing to say but i'm gettng me/titus vibes from you/lilith rn

[Menalque]

But conspicuously lilith and S_S are not voting. Is it not impossible, but is it even implausible to say that they’ve had weird interactions and been defensive of each other, they’re both scum and the reason people are happy with either is because scum don’t want to stand out by collectively pushing a third townie as a read but town are torn over which one is more likely to be scum and that’s why the votes are split like this

Obviously that’s possible, but I actually think that’s fairly plausible

I'm not sure how much you've played with scum-me under pressure but I can tell you that if my partner and I were the two main wagons I would be bussing the pants off of them, not being wishy-washy.

I think this is possible but not my experience. I actually remember you really struggling to make a decision on whether to bus your partner (Pine) in Added to the Group Chat when I forced you to choose between bussing him or saving him. I also think it’s hard for you to immediately bus lilith in this game state due to your prior expressed read on her which would create a lot of dissonance but I think your recent “uncertainty” is you starting to try to create enough room to allow you to bus later on

[Something_Smart]

- if they're svt why is the s not voting the t

I mean, I can totally see scum-lilith setting out to pocket me and expecting to get townpoints from defending me while I'm being pushed.

[Something_Smart]

I think this is possible but not my experience. I actually remember you really struggling to make a decision on whether to bus your partner (Pine) in Added to the Group Chat when I forced you to choose between bussing him or saving him.

The difference is I wasn't under pressure there, I was fairly townread and I was debating whether or not I could use that trust to shield him.

[Menalque]

i'm feeling paranoid of blake. like she's not in my lynch pool rn but i don't feel comfortable townblocking her either

Would you feel better if lilith reds?

[Datisi]

i'm not scumreading mena even though something is telling me i should and i don't know what to do