Micro 952 - The Coalition: ItGBSMoD [game over!]

[Deimos27]

sorry koba, I misunderstood... In that case, pooky should be in the coalition.

D'oh!

HEAL: pooky

go ahead and take me out now for being a moron lol

I struggle to see this coming from a Sleeper who is partnered with a Wug

This post checks pretty well with Sleeper/Pooky though, assuming they prefer 1 in

[Deimos27]

Deimos, you've started making a whole lot more sense since my last comment on you.

This is my list of players from towniest to scummiest. I would only want to lynch within the bottom 4.

pooky
chemist
deimos
wug
klick
dc
aldus
clover

But then Pooky on top here is pretty bold

[Deimos27]

Ok, sorry Klick, I understand your inactivity point but I have to trust my read on your play D1D2 and what I see in your play is careful opportunism, agenda, and narrative pushing.

The solve is almost definitely D&D/Pooky if this is wrong, but you lot just gotta work off the foundations we've set today to check the plausible associations of each.

Tough game!

VOTE: Klick

[Deimos27]

What was your alignment?

[Datisi]

Vote count 2.final

with 7 votes in play, it took 4 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2020-07-16 13:15:00).

execution

Klick [4]:

Dumb and Dumber, PookyTheMagicalBear, DonCorleone, Deimos27

PookyTheMagicalBear [3]:

Klick, Alduskkel, Wug

not voting [0]:

flip

Klick

has been executed Day 2.

He was a...

Spoiler:

Vanilla Townie

The sun sets, it is now Night 2. Sunrise in

(expired on 2020-07-18 12:20:00)

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[Datisi]

Vote count 3.00

with 5 votes in play, it takes 3 to make a decision. day 3 ends in (expired on 2020-07-25 12:30:00).

flip

Deimos27

has been killed Night 2.

He was a...

Spoiler:

Vanilla Townie

The sun rises, it is now Day 3.

execution

not voting [5]:

Alduskkel, DonCorleone, Dumb and Dumber, PookyTheMagicalBear, Wug

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[Dumb and Dumber]

Whoops. That was... dumb

-Dumbass

[Dumb and Dumber]

VOTE: PookyTheMagicalBear

We were pretty surprised at the flip, and I'm impressed by Pooky's scum versatility.

Pretty sure DonCorleone is town.

-Dumbass

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

vote Dumb and Dumber

We r probly screwed. Really a masterful performance yesterday. Congrats you deserve to win coming in like this and setting this up.

I’m just curious why did you want to 1v1 me today instead of Klick? who are you really? Somebody I know?

adding VOTE: Dumb and Dumber for the automatic vote counter -D

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

1 wrong vote now and scum wins. Take your time guys please.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I should’ve just hammered myself yesterday and let klick 1v1 you

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Donc is locktown

Aldus and Wug, one is the last townie the other is DND scumpartner.

I know you both wanted me dead yesterday _ pls give me a chance today > if you don’t we lose as town right away.

I am here to answer any questions you might have.

[DonCorleone]

I think I’d like each of you to scumcase the other before anything else. You’ve also both suggested that I’m town, in which case — who do you think is the partner of the other and why?

[DonCorleone]

My last will (plz look at tmrw):

Let's look at the Pooky teammates

once

more to play it safe.

Spoiler: Assume Pooky/Aldus

- Pooky was getting the hell out of himself bussed D1
- When given the opportunity to hammer Koba, Aldus prefers to

bus

- Pooky wasn't on that wagon either
- Aldus shows up at eod just to make it clear how badly he wants to bus
- Pooky/Aldus go into night phase: "who do we NK? Let's go for Chemist. That way when Pooky dies tomorrow to Aldus bus, they have bad PoE for off-wagon. They will execute Wug, and then in LyLo they will execute... hopefully not Aldus"

Conclusion: If this is the team, we GG go next, they are masters of distancing

Spoiler: Assume Pooky/DC

- DC's obvtownness is all an elaborate ruse
- DC's trying to fight onto wagon before coalition failure was all an elaborate ruse
- DC pushes Koba hard and then unvotes after replacement cause nvm, he gotta busssss
- DC busses Pooky to L-1, keeps him there for a while
- Pooky decides he wants to live, DC acquiesces and manages to divert onto Clover
- "Who do we kill tonight? Let's go Chemist so they have bad PoE on DC after DC busses Pooky."
- Honestly they could've just NK'd Klick and tried to save Pooky one more day if this is the team — DC was not committed to bussing, unlike Aldus from D1
- DC busses Pooky
- D&D apparates, wants to execute Klick
- DC capitalizes

Conclusion: DC is obvtown. And if he's scum, he's a bloody legend if this is the team. The absolute balls on the man to unvote Koba and pivot to his teammate when he was in the perfect situation to continue tunneling.

Spoiler: Assume Pooky/Wug

- Coordinated counterwagon on Clover
- Pooky is successfully saved
- So far so good
- The team goes into night phase: "Who do we kill tonight? If Pooky dies tomorrow, we want the kill to be on someone on-wagon to limit their PoE on Wug. But if Pooky dies, it's very likely Wug gets executed next, so we really gotta keep Pooky alive. To do this we will kill Chemist, because he was never gonna be the execute tomorrow(?) and it will help us not execute Pooky(???), even though it perfectly telegraphs our expectation that he will in fact die(?????) It doesn't frame anyone and we won't use it to push a narrative"
- Wug dilly-dallies
- Starts to look like Pooky might not be the execute
- Wug can pivot to Klick but thinks it would look bad on herself and Pooky
- Wug could continue dilly-dallying
- No! She will wifom bus Pooky to put him back in the lead

Conclusion: This is a legendary "let's go for random NK to confuse them" strat if it's the case. Wug is on point with the WIFOM. I would put very very few eggs in this basket.

Spoiler: Assume Pooky/Deimos

- Uh...
- I guess we'd be in pretty good shape here?
- I did open by voting him D2
- And I left the door wide open for DC to hammer him yesterday.
- I could've waited out the timer and no exec'd.
- I'm town.

Spoiler: Assume Pooky/Klick

- Instead of having Pooky hammer Koba, Klick decides to bus Pooky into the ground. On D1. Ballsy.
- Chemist NK to further frame Pooky and protect Klick via WIFOM.
- Now they be bussing each other again. Not even an attempt to get D&D out today. Again, ballsy.

Conclusion: If this is the case, Klick is flipping red here anyway so we can just execute her. You can give some brief thought to this possibility in a LyLo if Pooky is still alive, but really both Aldus and Wug have much better equity. I'm ok losing to this scumteam.

Spoiler: All of the above leaves Pooky/D&D

I'd still argue that the combination of NK'ing Chemist, and D&D being the scumbuddy, implies a bussing strategy today since it locks in scum!Pooky narrative and sets up D&D being townread along with the apparent NK PoE manipulation WIFOM.

Yet that isn't the play D&D has gone for. In fact, the pair would be in really bad shape right now, since we have a guaranteed D3 scum exec and then the other is on the chopping block.

Reassess this team after Klick flip. It's probably the right solve if she flips green, but it's still a weird one. There might be an oddball D&D/DC or smth in there.

Spoiler: 2422

i decided to try reading something

execution

Clover Ebi (5):

SleeperSoul, Wug, PookyTheMagicalBear, DonCorleone, Deimos27

PookyTheMagicalBear (3):

Alduskkel, Clover Ebi, Klick

SleeperSoul (1):

Chemist1422

not voting (0):

This would be one of the reasons why if scum!Pooky = True then scum!D&D = True. That's also a team where I see them going into night phase and deciding to NK Chemist. Even if their ensuing play today wasn't quite what I expected.

The only fear I have of not having the right solve if town!Klick = True is some oddball D&D/Aldus, D&D/Wug, or D&D/DC. I think we have to dismiss the third team there and just accept that DC is town at this point. I'm willing to lose to scum!him after this performance, anyway. Aldus looked like he was setting up to push D&D after Pooky based on the NKA but I'm not confident that's good reason to dismiss this team. The Wug team also has a point against it in the D1 ongoing game shenanigans but in theory that could still be scum theatre.

So I think probably eliminate D&D tomorrow if this flips green and then double and triple check his associations with the other players before going for Pooky. Eliminating D&D first should be fine if we're all agreed that Pooky's only remaining compatible teammate is D&D. Anyway y'all gotta look critically at how I dismissed the associations in my earlier post with the spoilers and update it to see if anything changes or you have new ideas for Pooky teammates cause if so tomorrow is gonna be pretty hard.

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[DonCorleone]

Frankly, Wug just doesn't look like scum based on his play today.

I've just read through a decent portion of the Sleeper/Tux ISO and this team looks more than viable
I'll keep reading

Hadn't noticed deadline was that close. Equally it's 2am here. I'll likely be around some before you wake up tomorrow then?

The DnD thing is weird, because the scumread crept up when they decided I was scum over Pooky; Pooky himself made some good points about how it looked like DnD were setting up for being 'right' if Pooky was executed and flipped town. I really struggled to see how they could read D1 and both come to the opposite conclusion that the rest of the thread came to. But then the rest of the thread decided they were gonna change their mind lol so I suppose at least two town have to be wrong there.

I dunno, I definitely have an amount of confirmation bias in finding both Pooky and DnD scummy it seems. I do feel like Pooky is the most likely person to flip scum by play. They were peddling DnD-scum as a theory until it looked like I could be executed, and then they jumped onto me when they could find an excuse to. It's the same 'play dead until they get someone else' shtick he played yesterday.

Klick’s most relevant EoD thoughts

[DonCorleone]

I would actually be down to go after Aldus today

SS > Aldus > Wug > Pooky is my current preferred order

I feel ok with Wug/Al/Pooky I would need to be sold on Koba slot being scummy here. Sorry for the afk holidays and all that!

Quoted for reference

[Dumb and Dumber]

I think I’d like each of you to scumcase the other

It's guaranteed from our perspective that Pooky is scum, and clearly we missed something if there's convincing evidence from an uninformed standpoint. I'll discuss with Dumber and see if we can evaluate for the partner [of which there's only two options: Wug and Aldu] with another re-read; perhaps that will provide hints about overall scum agenda.

-Dumbass

[DonCorleone]

It's guaranteed from our perspective that Pooky is scum

Yes, but it isn’t from mine and so I want you to come up with a compelling case for why pooky is scum and not you

[Dumb and Dumber]

I'll discuss with Dumber and see if we can evaluate for the partner [of which there's only two options: Wug and Aldu] with another re-read; perhaps that will provide hints about overall scum agenda.

I understand, hence we'll do the quoted soon.

-Dumbass

[DonCorleone]

Right, only that’s not what I’m asking for as a primary concern. Maybe I shouldn’t have mentioned “partner” in my first post today.

I don’t want you to go through and look for the partner, I want you to engage directly with pooky’s content and explain why it’s scummy and why you think you read it completely wrongly yesterday.

[DonCorleone]

[DonCorleone]

any chance you could delete 2469, datisi, and redact my identity in 2470?

[Datisi]

i gotchu fam

[DonCorleone]

I suppose this is what I get for posting on a hangover and not observing my rule of “always sign out once you finish posting what you came to say” on alts

[DonCorleone]

i gotchu fam

Thanks!