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[Iconeum]

And i think i explained before its like there was an agenda to starting a fight with them then and there, it just didn't seem towny to me

ok what was my supposed agenda?

[Iconeum]

i don't think people even understand *why* i pushed NPOW early on

it got twisted into 'omg look ico is pushing mislynchbait, he must be scum'

but there was actually really something there
and when i pushed him, it wasn't even that hard

even NPOW understood at the time that I was trying to sort him

[Iconeum]

A) i don't think inoc is scum. She's just trying to read me.

exhibit A

[Iconeum]

after that, VP pushed me based on him *knowing* NPOW is mislynchbait, while assuming therefore I know as well. He brings up a meta reference to where town pushed him, and here i am pushing him therefore i am scum. Based on that reasoning I overreacted towards VP and a shitfight happened.

On the next day (today), emotions have calmed and I think the game is being sorted properly. There's even a fairly solid townblock developping.

This is, according to me, a solid representation of what happened and why people are apparently scumreading me.

[jankofan]

janko, do you think getting annoyed at people pushing you is scum!indicative?

talk to me friend

hey there! umm its context dependant and playstyle dependant. on the whole no, both alignments probably tend to get annoyed at being pushed. Although town might be annoyed i feel like they have a strong focus in and around scumhunting and that should be visible despite their frustration. Whereas, scum can just get a bit tunnel visioned defending themselves and having a lack of general awareness about the game and other slots since they naturally have to manually direct energy toward scum hunting since they feel defending themselves and tunnel visioning on their own pressure are more vital prospects. Whereas town are naturally inclined to scum hunt and task themselves with figuring out whether those pushing them are scum. I feel like scum would focus more on the pressure/push arguments (like what i think icon is doing) whereas town would also be visibly focusing on the persons pushing them and who is scum in general.

[Iconeum]

janko, do you think getting annoyed at people pushing you is scum!indicative?

talk to me friend

hey there! umm its context dependant and playstyle dependant. on the whole no, both alignments probably tend to get annoyed at being pushed. Although town might be annoyed i feel like they have a strong focus in and around scumhunting and that should be visible despite their frustration. Whereas, scum can just get a bit tunnel visioned defending themselves and having a lack of general awareness about the game and other slots since they naturally have to manually direct energy toward scum hunting since they feel defending themselves and tunnel visioning on their own pressure are more vital prospects. Whereas town are naturally inclined to scum hunt and task themselves with figuring out whether those pushing them are scum. I feel like scum would focus more on the pressure/push arguments (like what i think icon is doing) whereas town would also be visibly focusing on the persons pushing them and who is scum in general.

how many reference games would you like where i react like this and i am town? Like, how many would you need to see in order to believe this comes from town!Ico?

[Datisi]

I feel like scum would focus more on the pressure/push arguments (like what i think icon is doing) whereas town would also be visibly focusing on the persons pushing them and who is scum in general.

i'm not sure i get this? like to me it feels ico is solving and it also focused on the persons pushing them? like can you elaborate on this?

also, you're townreading me, yeah? (i'm assuming by 436) how come, i feel like our reads are complete polar oppsoites right now?

[NoPowerOverMe]

If Icon vs. VP is 1v1 I have to choose Icon at this point. It could be TvT though.

[Iconeum]

If Icon vs. VP is 1v1 I have to choose Icon at this point. It could be TvT though.

i don't really think scum!VP backs down from his push on me at the time it's gaining steam. His open attitude towards me is coming from a sorting mindset and doesn't gain him much if he's scum.

I know i know, i'm judging that based on interactions with myself like you said, but i think it's a valid point.

[Iconeum]

and history tells me most of my 1v1's are actually with town anyway so

[Iconeum]

not sure if janko is trying to make me fit it's narrative and is purposefully misrepping me, or if it's genuinly not understanding the events in this game so far

[NoPowerOverMe]

Ok fair point.

Need to read the thread some more.

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[Raya36]

Official Vote Count 1.05

Aeonium arboreum "Tree Aeonium"

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Elimination

With 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to eliminate someone.

NoPowerOverMe

(1): Alduskkel

Billy Pilgrim

(2): Testarossa, VP Baltar

Iconeum

(2): DkKoba, jankofan

Andresvmb

(1): hellbooks

VP Baltar

(1): Billy Pilgrim

Snowblaze

(3): GeorgeBailey, Andresvmb, Datisi

DkKoba

(1): Iconeum

Not Voting

(2): Snowblaze, NoPowerOverMe

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-08-13 23:15:00).

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[Iconeum]

GB, datisi

i'm in disagreement with your scumread on snowblaze

[Datisi]

there's 2 players in the game right now who are putting down reads without the want or need to explain them and I don't like it

who were you referring to here?

[Iconeum]

reading thru it's ISO, i'm vibing with 105, 194, 197, 239, 245, 357,

360 might be a little defensive, but who am i to Judge someone on that :p

423 doesn't scream town, but isn't a scumpost either

[Iconeum]

there's 2 players in the game right now who are putting down reads without the want or need to explain them and I don't like it

who were you referring to here?

iirc dk and npow

with the realization that npow wasn't as bad as i thought at the time

[Datisi]

i genuinely don't know how you can vibe with any of those posts other than 105 but ok

[DkKoba]

ico exhibiting the scum mindset of being frustrated over being scumread over what they perceive as the "wrong reasons"

[Datisi]

koba. personality =/= alignemnt. please actually try to be helpful.

[Iconeum]

ico exhibiting the scum mindset of being frustrated over being scumread over what they perceive as the "wrong reasons"

there's nothing scummy about that at all

i've got finished games to prove as much, but something tells me you ain't interested in fact checking

[DkKoba]

please keep yelling abt meta it makes me yearn for ur hanging even more

[Iconeum]

dkkoba are you ready to start answering a few questions yourself?

there's a couple pending right now

[Iconeum]

please keep yelling abt meta it makes me yearn for ur hanging even more

at this point i can't help but feel you are doing this on purpose and are actively trying to make me go hulk mode again

which is

1) extremely sad that you resort to such tactics
2) not gonna work

[Datisi]

VOTE: dkkoba

play the game or eat rope, i'm not interested in your bullshit