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[Nahdia]

Vote Count 2.03

rocknil (2):

LavarManos, ItalianoVD

Frederick A Campbell (2):

rocknil, Frogsterking

Frogsterking (1):

Frederick A Campbell

, Frederick A Campbell

LavarManos (0):

Frogsterking

ItalianoVD (0):

Casey

Not Voting (2):

Redados, Casey,

Frederick A Campbell

,

Frogsterking

Deadline is in

(expired on 2020-09-03 18:44:04)

, at which point we will default to no elimination.

With seven players alive, it takes

four

to reach majority.

Note:

Today's opening vote count displayed an incorrect deadline earlier. It has been corrected.

[Frogsterking]

What are the pros and cons of a policy lynch? Like I said, I just can't imagine rocknil in a LimLo situation. That sounds awful. I would like to make that not possible by limming him today.

Off the top of my head:

Pros:
In this game there is a higher chance of hitting scum because I think most players that are active are fairly pro town.

It makes our choice much easier today.

Cons:
May not make our choice any easier if we realize the scum are hiding in the more pro town players.

If we miss we will be in the same situation tomorrow as we are now except scum get a chance to eliminate one more player, so whatever conflict arises may be more in their favor tomorrow than it is today.

This is also why analyzing the night kill is helpful. If scum believe that none of the players will analyze the night kill because they're afraid of wifom then they can just look at all of the player's reads list and kill the player most convenient for them to set up for lylo.

If they get called out on it then they're forced to make some kind of play the way Frederick is doing.

To clarify:

If scum believe none of the players will analyze the night kill then scum can just look at each of the player's reads list and kill the player most convenient for them to set up for lylo.

If the scum get called out from night kill analysis then they're forced to make a wifom play like Frederick which might not have been his intention.

So it prevents scum from killing whoever is most convenient for them and sometimes forces them into an uncomfortable situation. For example, what would Frederick have done had Casey decided she townread me? I think that's what he was wondering when he unvoted me.

[Frogsterking]

I'm still planning on addressing the other things leftover from yesterday.

[Casey]

In conclusion, my current scumread on Frogsterking is over his obsession of what everyone thinks of the nightkill, while my reason for scumreading Frogsterking when I made the post you quoted was for post 640 and my very first suspicions on Frogsterking was because of his obsession over the nightkill.

I'll agree in the very least that the things Frog has said outside of analyses and theory don't sit well with me.

[Casey]

@Italiano: I still wanna know who you think is maf.

I don’t solve for partners so if you want me to try to solve the game that way then you’re gonna be disappointed. I think scum is somewhere within rock, Lavar and you/MagikHorse. I’d be okay eliminating

As I’ve stated already, Redados, Frederick, and somewhat Frogsterking are in my no lynch pool

Why is Frog "somewhat" in that pool?

[Casey]

The "obsession" angle looks like poor or made-up reasoning and is also unnecessary to the case.

What is "necessary" to the case, then?

[Casey]

At this point I would be the second townie you overreacted to in an OMGUS [...]

VOTE: Frederick

I'd just like to point out the irony here.

[Casey]

You clearly "remember" why you were scumreading Frogsterking after you see that Casey FoSes Frogsterking.

Why are you talking about yourself in third-person? I had to scroll back up just to be certain it was you posting and not someone else.

[Frogsterking]

At this point I would be the second townie you overreacted to in an OMGUS [...]

VOTE: Frederick

I'd just like to point out the irony here.

Yup.

The "obsession" angle looks like poor or made-up reasoning and is also unnecessary to the case.

What is "necessary" to the case, then?

"Frogsterking killed Mush to set me up and then brought up night kill analysis when no one was suspecting me."

I don't see what was obsessive about my questioning of other players about the night kill.

[Frogsterking]

At this point I would be the second townie you overreacted to in an OMGUS [...]

VOTE: Frederick

I'd just like to point out the irony here.

Yup.

The "obsession" angle looks like poor or made-up reasoning and is also unnecessary to the case.

What is "necessary" to the case, then?

"Frogsterking killed Mush to set me up and then brought up night kill analysis when no one was suspecting me."

I don't see what was obsessive about my questioning of other players about the night kill.

[Frogsterking]

@Mod

Is it possible to delete that double-post?

[Casey]

@Italiano: I still wanna know who you think is maf.

I don’t solve for partners so if you want me to try to solve the game that way then you’re gonna be disappointed. I think scum is somewhere within rock, Lavar and you/MagikHorse. I’d be okay eliminating

As I’ve stated already, Redados, Frederick, and somewhat Frogsterking are in my no lynch pool

Why is Frog "somewhat" in that pool?

Also I really don't think Lavar is maf.

[Frogsterking]

You clearly "remember" why you were scumreading Frogsterking after you see that Casey FoSes Frogsterking.

Why are you talking about yourself in third-person? I had to scroll back up just to be certain it was you posting and not someone else.

Because I was imagining the situation from Frederick's perspective.

[Frogsterking]

Frogsterking, why do you seem the most obsessed over what everyone thinks of the nightkill.

In the mafia format I have almost all of my experience in (livechat, roughly 5-20 minute days and 1-5 minute nights on average) I relied extensively on analyzing night kills to complement behavioral reads.

Part of the reason that method was useful to me was I understood how players of different levels approached their night choices in that format.

Things are different when players get a couple days to make their choice instead of a couple minutes and I'm not sure how much of what I know carries over to this format and I'm trying to learn quickly.

Actually, I just noticed that this answers the question "Why are you so interested in the nightkill?" and not the question I actually asked, which is "Why do you seem the most obsessed over what everyone thinks of the nightkill?"

So that you don't get to pretend to not understand what I am trying to say, let me put it bluntly. Please answer the question (Why are you so obsessed over what everyone thinks of the nightkill?)

In fact, no one was obsessed with what others thought about the night kill, so rephrasing the question this way doesn't make sense and looks like trying to skew night kill analysis in a negative light.

[ItalianoVD]

Thank you for doing that effort. How much value do you place on kill analysis?

@Italiano: I still wanna know who you think is maf.

I don’t solve for partners so if you want me to try to solve the game that way then you’re gonna be disappointed. I think scum is somewhere within rock, Lavar and you/MagikHorse. I’d be okay eliminating

As I’ve stated already, Redados, Frederick, and somewhat Frogsterking are in my no lynch pool

Since you townread Frogsterking, what do you have to say about my scumread on Frogsterking.

I don’t know how to feel about it cause I’ve read your case on him especially 759 and I was kinda confused at how you were trying to explain it. So are you really scumreading Frog for asking everyone about the nightkill?

[ItalianoVD]

The scumread isn't over your obsession of the night kill. It is over your obsession of what others think of the night kill.

So he shouldn’t ask what people think about what's going in the game? This is a weird statement.

[ItalianoVD]

If I remove my reads of you both and I’m looking at this objectively I’d say posts 768 769 770 771 772 773 774 is a much better made case then 759.

With that said, I can’t say it makes me feel good. I’ve wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt because I feel/felt like you were being unfairly scumread by everyone Day 1, but now it seems like you are doing the same thing to Frogster.

[ItalianoVD]

In conclusion, my current scumread on Frogsterking is over his obsession of what everyone thinks of the nightkill, while my reason for scumreading Frogsterking when I made the post you quoted was for post 640 and my very first suspicions on Frogsterking was because of his obsession over the nightkill.

I'll agree in the very least that the things Frog has said outside of analyses and theory don't sit well with me.

I don’t get 640. So because he said welcome to “town” instead of game, that’s suspicious? And what has he done?

[ItalianoVD]

@Italiano: I still wanna know who you think is maf.

I don’t solve for partners so if you want me to try to solve the game that way then you’re gonna be disappointed. I think scum is somewhere within rock, Lavar and you/MagikHorse. I’d be okay eliminating

As I’ve stated already, Redados, Frederick, and somewhat Frogsterking are in my no lynch pool

Why is Frog "somewhat" in that pool?

You know, I can’t remember why I said that. I may have been overthinking or something. Sorry that I can’t give you more than that, but just know he’s in my no lynch pool.

[ItalianoVD]

@Italiano: I still wanna know who you think is maf.

I don’t solve for partners so if you want me to try to solve the game that way then you’re gonna be disappointed. I think scum is somewhere within rock, Lavar and you/MagikHorse. I’d be okay eliminating

As I’ve stated already, Redados, Frederick, and somewhat Frogsterking are in my no lynch pool

Why is Frog "somewhat" in that pool?

Also I really don't think Lavar is maf.

Well he is there from PoE in my mind. And it also wouldn’t surprise me if he was so I’m comfortable with it.

[Casey]

In conclusion, my current scumread on Frogsterking is over his obsession of what everyone thinks of the nightkill, while my reason for scumreading Frogsterking when I made the post you quoted was for post 640 and my very first suspicions on Frogsterking was because of his obsession over the nightkill.

I'll agree in the very least that the things Frog has said outside of analyses and theory don't sit well with me.

I don’t get 640. So because he said welcome to “town” instead of game, that’s suspicious? And what has he done?

He shrugged it off when I asked him about it. That doesn't make me feel all aces about him.

I have plenty of posts about Frog. There's an ISO button for a reason. You can find this answer for yourself instead of requiring me to quote a load of posts.

[Casey]

@Italiano: I still wanna know who you think is maf.

I don’t solve for partners so if you want me to try to solve the game that way then you’re gonna be disappointed. I think scum is somewhere within rock, Lavar and you/MagikHorse. I’d be okay eliminating

As I’ve stated already, Redados, Frederick, and somewhat Frogsterking are in my no lynch pool

Why is Frog "somewhat" in that pool?

You know, I can’t remember why I said that. I may have been overthinking or something. Sorry that I can’t give you more than that, but just know he’s in my no lynch pool.

The only emotion I can express is sadness.

[Casey]

@Italiano: I still wanna know who you think is maf.

I don’t solve for partners so if you want me to try to solve the game that way then you’re gonna be disappointed. I think scum is somewhere within rock, Lavar and you/MagikHorse. I’d be okay eliminating

As I’ve stated already, Redados, Frederick, and somewhat Frogsterking are in my no lynch pool

Why is Frog "somewhat" in that pool?

Also I really don't think Lavar is maf.

Well he is there from PoE in my mind. And it also wouldn’t surprise me if he was so I’m comfortable with it.

Fine. But I won't support his lim. You'll have to rally that without me.

[Frogsterking]

Casey, can you help me understand what it is that you are looking for when you scum read someone? I remember you described yourself as a behavioral player.

[Frogsterking]

I have a theory that you are good at picking up on tells in others behaviors, and that you scum read people who seem anxious and guarded, is this true?